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  1. Posted · Edited by HFD23

    Yes... Hartsdale ordered a 4 Guys 2000 GPM pumper

    they from what i am told the are a good solid company thats been around awhile although not suppling many apparatus to this area. i hear they are very willing to work with a department when working on spec's and having been in and around their rigs at varrious trade shows it seems to be a good product.. but the best way to get that info would be some one who already has one or see how ours works out for us.

    Note this engine is replacing a 30 year old engine...

    also yes i do believe they will be the 1st 4 guys rigs in westchester county.

    Homer J. Knows Best... wink.gif

  2. Posted

    The problem with minimum manpower on the first apparatus, with everyone else responding to the scene is addressed in NFPA 1720 the Volunteer Fire Department standard.

    Section 4.2.2.1 states "Upon assembling the neccessary resources at the emergency scene, the fire department shall have the capability to safely initiate an initial attack within two minutes ninety percent of the time". Section 4.2.2.2 goes on to state "Initial attack operations shall be organized to ensure that at least four members shall be assembled before initiating interior fire suppression operations at a working structural fire."

    The way I read this is as soon as the first four members arrive at the scene they have two minutes to start initial attack. How many FF's can suit up with mask, stretch a line and be ready to flow water in two minutes? It seems like a stretch in this scenario. IMO the way it reads it is almost better to wait for for the extra manpower to arrive at the Firehouse, this way you know you have the capability to meet the two minute time once on scene. The difference between 1720 and 1710, the Career standard, is that in 1710 there are set times the FD must be on scene from the time the alarm is received. 1720 only states the time from arriving on scene.

    Attack with in 2 minutes off arrival shouldn't be an issue you should arrive in full PPE with SCBA all u need to do is pull a line and flake out the kinks and mask up. I have seen 2 FF's accomplish this in less then 2 minutes and is defiantly attainable. Most rigs have 500 gallons or more that is immediately available that in most cases when response times are low should allow for quick knock downs with just tank water.

    If you read on 4.2.2.3 initial attack can and begin immediately upon arrival when there is life hazard or the risk of serious injury that can be prevented. This must be in accordance with NFPA 1500.

    Lets face it common sense is if you pull up and people are trapped putting a line in operation immediately between the trapped persons and the fire could save their lives nothing leads to improved interior conditions then a quick effective knock down of the fire.

  3. Posted · Edited by Truck4

    Date:2/23/07

    Time:approx 1040

    Location: 20 Croton terrace

    Frequency: 46.50

    Units Operating:E-306, E304, E-303, E-307, E-312, E-310, E-309, E-308, E-313, TL-71, L-72, L-73, L-74, L-75; Sq-11, Res 1,Batt 1, Batt2, Safety Batt, Car 2, Car4,

    Description Of Incident: Fire in a 5th floor corner apartment of a 5-story Type I building senior citizen building.

    Writer: HFD23, Truck4 (O/S), tbendick (O/S)

    1040hrs- Original call for fire alarms activated, (5) Engines (2) Trucks on initial assignment due to low water area.

    1045Hrs- 2nd alarm E-309, L-74

    1049Hrs - 3rd Alarm transmitted E-313 L-73 Ashburton ave to stage

    5 Story fire type I building, exposure 1 is the street 2,3,4 no exposures, Heavy fire on the top floor at per Car2

    1052Hrs- Sq-11 respond as the F.A.S.T. to the front of the building

    1055Hrs- Safety advising Sq-11 they will be the F.A.S.T.

    1103Hrs- NRFD E-22, Lad 12 To Yonkers HQ @ school street.

    Greenville FD E-151 relocate Station 12 on Fortfield.

    * Note other yonkers units responding to 594 Bellview E-314, L-70, 70 reports over heated belt in dish washer. E-314 returning 10-19 with L70, 70 clear with a 10-36 at 1118Hrs

    1113HRS Batt 2 to Batt1

    Yonkers advising Batt 1 That Batt 2 is calling them (Radio issues)

    1114Hrs GFD E-151 on at Station 12

    * 1149HRS- batt3 using E314 L70 at a gas leak 10-37 on odell plaza request con ed continue in lead shut off at main. L-70 relocating to station 12 and E-314 relocating to station 3.

    1153Hrs- Yonkers requesting progress report from the scene..

    Car 2 reports Main body knocked down still using all hands. checking for extention.

    1207Hrs- Spare Engine 305 in service going to station 4

    1219Hrs- Batt 1 reports fire under control

    1243Hrs- spare Engine 317 in service.

    1246Hrs- L-73, E-313 released from the fire scene

  5. Posted · Edited by HFD23

    Date:2/11/07

    Time:2107

    Location: 27 Cleveland Drive

    Frequency: 46.26

    Units Operating: Car 2081,Car 2082, Car 2084, Car 2085 E-119, E-120, TL44, E118, R18,55B2 (Ossining E-98, U-51, Car 2334 as F.A.S.T.) Buchanan Car 2551 U-12, Battalion 10

    Description Of Incident: Working fire in a Type V 30x60 two story private dwelling. Fire originated and contained to the living area / enclosed porch in the rear. A 1 3/4" line was put in thru the rear garage, into hallway and into the room where an aggressive attack contained fire to one single room. Personnel opened up the open ceiling space and roof to access pockets of fire. A 2nd line in place as a backup and not used. The CFD had close to 60 members on scene, and combined with Mutual Aid there had to be close to 85-90 Fire/EMS personnel. No known injuries reported.

    Writer: HFD23, Remember585 o/s Per the IA workshop

    2110Hrs- Car 2081 Establising Cleveland Command-Working fire.

    2117Hrs- interior Requesting 2nd line..

    2117Hrs- Montrose Tower ladder 8 relocate to Croton harmon fire house

    2122Hrs- Car 2081 requesting con-ed gas and electric to scene

    60 Control reports 30 min eta on electric

    All units operating Cleveland drive switch to fireground 3

    2129Hrs- TL-8 and OFD E-97 located Croton harmon fire house.

    2132Hrs- Car 2081 requesting sander to scene

    2137Hrs- Cleveland Command requesting PD officer to the house.

    2151HRS- Croton Dispatched 2087 Quaker ridge road on EMS Call 60 year old Diff Breathing 55B2 Taking the Run

    2155Hrs Cleveland Command Releasing OFD F.A.S.T. with thanks.

  6. Posted · Edited by Truck4

    Date: 2/2/07

    Time: 2115

    Location: 20 Wood End Lane, Cross of Locust

    Frequency:46.26, EFD, NRFD, FDMV, SFD

    Units Operating: Car 2101, Car 2102, Car 2103, E27, E-28, E-29, E-30, E-31, L-16, TL-17, EVAC, 57M1, 57B1, NRFD Eng-22 F.A.S.T., FDMV Ladder 62, FDMV E-206, Batt 19

    Description Of Incident: Fire 2nd floor and attic of a 2.5-story P/D with double peak roof at dead end of street.

    Writer: HFD23, HFD201, GFD538, oilflame, Truck4 (O/S)

    2115hrs- Original call for automatic alarm, Car 2102 reports smoke in area fill out assignment with 3rd engine and 2nd truck, Car 2102 reporting working structure fire,

    2119HRS- NRFD Eng 22 and FDMV Relocating Truck 2 to station 1 eastchester,

    2120HRS- L-16 venting windows in rear.. E-29 charging line

    Requesting all in coming units stage on locust...

    2123HRS- TL-17 on location

    2130HRS- NRFD E-22 located at EFD station 1

    2142HRS- CAR-2101 Requesting an Additional 1 and 1 to scene and F.A.S.T.

    Report of heavy fire in attic with slate roof (difficulty venting) all hands working

    NRFD Eng-22 As the F.A.S.Team, FDMV Truck 62 to go to work. FDMV E-206 to Scene

    2145Hrs- Greenville Ladder 4 Relocate Eastchester Station 1.

    2152Hrs- Scarsdale Eng-54, Car 2435 Relocating to Eastchester FD station 1

    2158Hrs - BATT 19 on location

    2200Hrs- SFD E-54 onlocation at EFD station 1

    2224Hrs- SFD 2434 enroute EFD station 1

    2226Hrs- Car 2101 reporting fire knocked down overhawling. Requesting how call came in. 60 control reports as auto alarm from alarm company. also advising the address maybe in Mount Vernon.

    EFD relief FF's on the scene

    2237Hrs- 2101 reporting E-31, TL-17 and relief crew to take up when ready and return to station 1.

    2241- NRFD Eng 22 Clear of the fire scene returning to New Rochelle

  7. Posted

    Has anyone ever thought that maybe the information that is said on this board may be a little off.  At the incident that HFD23 is talking about not all the M/A departments had all 3 chiefs there.  I also think that it is crazy to have 3 cheifs responding to a M/A call.  I know that in my department that only 1 cheif goes on the M/A.

    Once again I stated that it meant no offense to any department... 2ndly this happens many times and many places so don't look to get defensive this is not the only incident where it has happened. (also I was not there I don't know who was there, but as the IA says maybe they were, maybe they were not at this incident, the bottom line is it happens, the point is not to pick on this incident its a general fact that does happen a lot of places) I have seen it happen and will continue

    the bottom line is protect your citizens first don’t put them at risk for every one to run off to a fire, I know we all want to go but some one needs to stay back and protect the district.

    Lastly I would like to see people not get defensive.. look at a topic that we all know does happen and try to learn from it... no one seeks to attack any department because hell we all have our short comings, but you can try to learn from facts to better us all

  8. Posted

    My question based on a recent hospital fire seeing that 2 m/a Departments sent all 3 chiefs officers to this incident. Is do any departments have any rules on all 3 chief officers responding out of their district? I mean granted any one could just clear and respond from a further distance, but why would you want or allow all 3 Chiefs out of your district thus leaving less man power (due to a rig and man power with the rig and the chiefs out of town) and no Chief officer at home to protect your own 1st due should something arise.

    This is in no way to insult any dept after all each has reasoning behind what is done. It is merely to examine an incident that may happen any where....

  10. Posted

    Umm not sure which rig you were hinting towards with the 2+ interior AND an operator, BUT if you can't send a four (preferably five) man engine or a four (preferably six) man truck, then you might not be meeting the expectations of who is calling you.

    As a former officer, if I called for additional apparatus and an engine or truck marks up on the air, I expect that there will be at least four ff's filling the assignment.  If not, the correct thing to do is to include your staffing number when you sign on the air so that the dispatcher or the OIC have the opportunity to go next due.

    "Engine 248 is responding with "three".....  "60 Control to Ossining be advised, you've got Millwood Engine 248 enroute with a light crew of three, I'll be alerting next due unless you direct otherwise"

    I use my hometown department as an example, but it doesn't matter who it is, sometimes you respond with a full boat, other times not.... It is your responsibility to let the requesting department know if you are coming fully staffed or light.  If they replace you on the box then you'll get a chance another time.

    Just another example of how I think ego's have to be set aside.

    good point, sounds like Prince George County MD..... they seam very far ahead when it comes to something so basic i usually hear Elmsford Fd do this but thats about it... it would be nice to see Westchester County have all rigs report their staffing when responding, this is so a understaffed unit can be supplimented by adding an additional engine or truck, due to the under staffed company just as they do down south... also only interior FF's should count as staffing every one else is just support...

  15. Posted · Edited by HFD23

    Date: 1/17/07

    Time: 0839Hrs

    Location: 850 Mamaroneck Ave. A&P Supermarket.

    Frequency: 46.26

    Units Operating: Car 2242, Eng 40, Eng 42, C&O Zone 2

    Description Of Incident: Working fire on the Roof

    Writer: HFD23

    0840Hrs- Smoke Showing

    0842Hrs- Car 2242 -Working fire on the roof.

    0843Hrs- Mamaroneck Village retoned full Dept responce 850 Mamaroneck Ave on a Working Fire. Also 1&1 from Port Chester to cover

    0845Hrs- 2391 reports Eng 64 Ladder 31 as the cover companies.\

    0847Hrs- Eng 42 requesting Health Dept.

    0850Hrs- Eng 64 enroute to Station 1 palmer Ave.

    0859Hrs- Engine 42 requesting C&O.. Ladder 31 relocating.

    0852Hrs- Fire Knocked down holding all units

    0916Hrs- Ladder 31 on location palmer Ave fire house.

    0931Hrs- Eng 64, Ladder 31 released.

    0956Hrs- C&O on the scene.

  16. Posted

    The 12-week academy at Westchester which is roughly 400+ hours now (I think) is a little more then what we need.  I do not feel that it is imperative for volunteers to have all of the codes training to fight fires.  We don't do inspections or code enforcement, that's not our job.  Answering calls for service is, and we should be prepared for it.

    just a side note codes in the academy is only 2 days so about 14-16 hours and counts for nothing to be a code enforcement official its 6 class 3 days each 8 hours a day.. Also there is code compliance tech which is what is required to do fire inspections or inspections of existing structures which is 3 classes 3 days each 8 hours a day

    The academy codes is basic and only counts for the state requirement of 229 hours even though most academies are over 400 hours of training.

  17. Posted

    Principles of Building Construction: Combustible & Noncombustible

    It's important to know what type of building you're going into an the different risks each type of construction presents.

    Fireifghter Survival

    Know how to save yourself

    F.A.S.T.

    Know how to rescue a fellow firefighter

    all great classes i agree with GFD538, Rescue Tech Basic is also pretty good but only after all those listed above are done... also look at hazmat tech or decon...

    Also certain counties give Fire attack 1 and Fire attack 2 still both are good with regards to the types on nozzles, various flows as well as GPM.. It helps you understand how your nozzle choice affects you as a nozzle men or pump operator. Also provides a lot more work with handling hand lines and advancing and stretching hand lines.. I feel this is very important in the fire service and nothing helps to stabilize an incident more then a well placed hand line…

  18. Posted

    That slide down ladder rack is a nice touch.

    It appears those ladders will be a little harder to deploy with one person rather then the normal ladders that are stored on top of the rig and drop down to a horizontal position. They also when being deployed go up on the top side higher then the rig it self so you have to watch out for over head wires.

    other then that general observation looks like a nice rig. best of luck with it.

  19. Posted · Edited by HFD23

    I think Homer J. put it best well though out and written reply.

    I totally agree 78 hour isn't sufficient. More detailed instruction on building construction, search and rescue, stretching of hose lines and probably some basic thermal imaging as well as survival should be included. The hour or so spent or cutting roofs or search's isn't sufficient. Trust me as some one who took the classes before attending the career academy it’s much different and you learn and cover so much more information and skills. the bottom line is were all going into the same burning buildings and in some cases together so why should they guy next to you have any less training. I know I would want they guy next me to be equal or have even more training.

    "Question? How many departments allow their "newly trained" FF1 Probie into a working fire?"

    The answer is some do... and they should be eased into things not thrown into an out of control fire. I have seen and heard from friends who’s departments roll a engine with all probies fresh out of FF1 or in some cases just to get a rig out 1 interior FF who is the chauffeur and the rest exterior FF's that is unacceptable what if you pull up to a job, the crew and engine is useless.

    "Do departments require their probie to stay out of "working" jobs or are they allowed to follow a more "qualified"(aka senior, trained, experienced) firefighter in? Or are they allowed in on overhaul only?"

    Over hawl only is not a bad intro as is a secondary search. and pairing up with a more senior member is a very good idea. new personal can learn a lot from their senior members and should try to follow them closely.. Also hopefully this member has experience and more then just FF1.

    "And even if you take all the training you can, let's be honest it does not make you immediately the most qualified or better person. On paper it may appear that way, but how much of your training did you retain and did you take too much too fast and had no idea what the instructor was talking about because you had never experienced any situation that was discussed."

    also true, but the bottom line is the more live burn time, the more instruction the more hands on practice the better you should be. Granted nothing is better then real life fire experience but the more and more training and drilling is the next best thing because after all you can schedule the real thing...

    the main goal of all this isn't to make getting members harder its to keep more firefighters safer we can't continue to kill over 100 firefighters a year... training for both career and volunteer doesn’t end after FF1 or the Career academy it continues over your fire service career.

    * note I also stated in a previous discussion on this topic that maybe some sort of continuing education program be established where you take FF1 and then survival and FF2 in some sort of spread out but yet scheduled time frame and require certain classes over a period of time to gain interior status. Similar to how the state gives their building code classes it’s 6 classes 3 days each but when you sign up for one you’re registered into the next 5 as well. Its 3 days 8 hours a day once a month.. So 18 days over a 6 month period totaling 144 hours... now maybe that could be edited some how for the fire service...

  20. Posted · Edited by Truck4

    Date:1/15/07

    Time:1318

    Location: 35 East Hartsdale Ave.

    Frequency: 46.26

    Units Operating: Car 2172, Engine 170, Engine 169, TL-15, Ladder 4 GFD, Batt 14

    Description Of Incident: Reported Fire in Garage.

    Writer: HFD23, X635 O/S

    1319Hrs- Greenville Ladder 4 Toned out with Hartsdale for Reported Structure Fire at 35 East Hartsdale Ave.

    1321Hrs- Engine 170 on location reporting heavy smoke showing.

    13 23Hrs- Update- 2 cars on Fire in the rear of 35 East Hartsdale Ave.

    1322Hrs- Ladder 4 reporting a MVA that it came upon, have E-150 take in the MVA

    1329Hrs- Batt 14 Responding

    1336Hrs- Hartsdale HQ Requesting Progress report,

    Per 2172 Fire knocked down 2 cars involved.

    1341Hrs- Release Ladder 4, Tower Ladder 15, Engine 169, Per Car 2172

  21. Posted

    Outside of the county hazmat team no one to my knowledge has any kind of significant hazmat set-up.  Most go my the nextel rule...If the spill is larger then the end of a Nextel antenna at the end of an outstreched arm then you need to back up.

    Not totally Correct. Yonkers FD has a Hazmat Team, Montrose VA has a Hazmat team as well as Westchester County Has 6 Squad Companies that are assigned Hazmat trailers amoung the other roles that these Squads play. the trailers contain varrious amounts of equipment including meters, suits, computers, decon, sensors and so on. Mabe some on has a full inventory of theirs.

    SQ1- Yonkers

    SQ2- New Ro

    SQ3- FDMV

    SQ4- White Plains

    SQ5- Scarsdale/ Eastchester

    SQ6- Fairview/Greenville/Hartsdale

    SQ7-will be goin to Mohegan i don;t know if they have it yet.

    There are also mass decon trailers that are being assigned if not already to

    Port chester

    Katonah/Bedford

    Cortland

  22. Posted

    Ok guy's I took this class 2 years for the tech class and WMD class. Ok the bad part it is in Paramus NJ. Here is the link for the class's.

    Bergen County EMS/HAZ-MAT Training center

    Hope this help you guy's out.

    Chris

    Thats 91 hours any one know why? must be different from NY state requirments that are 40 hours.

    also Seth i found one At Suffolk County Fire Training at Yaphank. about a hour drive dates on that are 5 days in april. may be better then montour.

  25. Posted · Edited by HFD23

    Date:11/6/07

    Time: 1602HRS

    Location: 70 Old Cross Road/ Pines Bridge Rd.

    Frequency: 46.26

    Units Operating: Millwood Car 2253, E-245, T-15,Ossining FAST

    Description Of Incident: Working chimney fire as per 60 control, Millwood Chief Reporting Smoking showing on arrival.

    Writer: HFD23

    1606Hrs- E245 on scene

    1608Hrs- Yorktown Tanker 14 and Pocatanco Hills Tanker 12 to scene

    1609Hrs- Chief Reports Fire knocked Down Cancel M/a Tankers.

    1609Hrs- Ossining FAST Only. Hold the Engine and Truck From Ossining in Quarters

    1609Hrs- Chappaqua Car 2064, Eng 146 Re-locate to cover Millwood

    1616Hrs- Ossining Car 2332 on location.

    1617Hrs- Ossining Car 2331 E98, U51 With the FAS Team on the scene

    1619Hrs- Ossining FAST can return, 2253 requests C&O to scene..