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So you don't crawl all over the place know were the stairs are before you go in. Look for a side door, the basement stairs should be there. If its a 2.5 story the stairs are probaly on the same side as the front door. If you can Identify the type of house you will know where the stairs are. The rest L-12 covered already. But always get the line in the front door to protect the means of egress. Basement fires take alot of coordination between co's.

I can tell you were the front door and windows are. Could be a good place for a peicing nozzle and some saws.

So far on this thread there is nothing Career vs. Volley. Only thing I see is Jason trying to figure out why guys are getting burned out. He is relating to when he was a volley.

Everytime someone wants to speak from a career perspective does'nt make it career vs volley.

"Delay notifying the fire dept until more than one device is activated"

What if there's only one device in the area?

What if it takes 10 minutes for another device to activate?

I don't think the local gov. knows what they sound like?

What was that old thread "Check and advise" Stuff like this is what creates delays in response.

I have two examples of why there could be some bad feelings. Both have to do with the length ESU might go to in order not to call the FD and try to handle themselves. The first is an MVA with one person pinned. A car was T-boned on the passenger side. The driverside was pushed up against a wall. With EMS on scene along with ESU it became clear to the Medic on scene that the FD was needed to open the passenger side door to remove the driver. ESU offered a different approach. Their idea was to call a tow truck to the scene and pull the car (with the driver in it) off the wall. The medic on scene thought that was crazy and saw to it that the FD was called.

The next is less complexed and is a very minor type of call I'll go on daily. "Wires Down"

Like we'll all do first I.D. what is down. Electric,phone etc etc. This turned out to be cable wires hanging low in the street, about 7' off the ground. For this I would just go to the side of the house were the wires attach to the second floor off the house. Pull some of the slack out of the low hanging wires and then tie it off on a gutter or something. Until the cable co. can come by for a more permanant fix.

Here's what I see. A ESU truck on scene with on officer on the roof of the truck holding the wire off the truck while the driver drives under it. Then the truck turns up the driveway with the officer on the roof until the truck is along side the house. With the officer pulling the slack out and holding it I see him wondering were he's gonna tie it off. Next comes one officer throwing the other a roll of tape. With the wires in one hand he manages to bite off a good size peice and tape it to the ashphalt roof. Q. Did the tape stick to the roof,holding the wire?

don't matter none what type you have at that point.  Unlawful operation is unlawful operation. lol

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What!

Simple.

Rescue = Viable patient removed, time is obviously of the essence and may very well require risk to be taken on our part

Removal = Expired victim removed, time is not a factor and you should never take a risk when there is no chance of performing a rescue

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I've gone on stuck occupied elevators where we removed the occupents. They were still alive so was this a rescue? So a removel might not always mean the person is expired. They were just in a place they could'nt get out of.

Oh I absolutely agree, anything to better yourself is worth doing. If you're truly committed to becoming a better, more responsible driver/operator, then I would strongly recommend not only reading the CDL manual and taking the written/practical tests, but get yourself into a good CDL driving school or class. You can and should definitely learn a lot about the operation of heavy trucks by doing so.

My point was more that the simple act of getting a CDL in and of itself won't make you a good driver. You have to WANT to be a good driver, which means you have to learn, not just memorize, and gain hands on experience doing it. Also, driving an emergency vehicle can be a lot more challenging than driving a rig cross country on open highways. No CDL program or test will prepare you for that challenge.

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Thanks for clearing that up

The point in my post was that if there is some training that you think will help you then you should take it. Not that it will make you the best. Wether for driving or knot tying don't wait for it to be spoon fed to you. Although I think all dept's need to be more proactive in the training of their firefighters. You just can't always wait for them.

While I agree having a CDL is a great thing (not required in NY, however) and certainly helps from a legal standpoint should you find yourself in court, as Izzy said it's NOT the be all and end all. I personally know guys with CDLs that drive fire apparatus, and I know guys with regular licenses that drive fire apparatus. Some of the guys with regular licenses are far better operators, no question about it. Why? Because it comes down to training! It is not terribly difficult to obtain a Class B CDL. Study the manual, remember the info, pass the written test then do good on a road test. Not unlike obtaining a regular license, and we all know there are PLENTY of drivers out there who have been issued licenses who probably never should've been.

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Don't get me wrong. A CDL is'nt the end all be all for driving a rig. But if you feel it will help you drive better or smarter why not go get one. By no means does it replace driver training. Although I found learning about airbrakes and all that has to do with carrying a tank load interesting.

Soon after I got on the job I went to the DMV and took the tests and recieved my CDL. I just thought if I was going to drive I should be as prepared as I could. It was'nt that bad. I remember a guy on my job Helping me rent a truck to take the road test in WP. We drove around a shopping center parking lot just before my road test.

Anyone with advice for young officers?

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One time somebody told me as their bit of wisdom " don't change" Although considering your new responsibilities I don't think this would be good advice.

Who's responsible for bringing in the Hydro Ram or Rabbit Tool on your job?

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If your job is to force entry then you should bring what you'll need. Maybe the owner gave you a key? So bring that. Maybe you'll have to cut pad locks...better bring the saw(Aluminum Oxcide) or the duck bill. Maybe you have to force metal doors, so the hydra-ram would work best.

Point is you have to think what your up against and bring the right tool. If you can't look at a building a figure it out then its time to do more training. Don't bring a knife to gun fight!

When using the Hydro ram or rabbit tool set either in the door. Give as many lever pumps as necessary so that it will hold itself in the door thus freeing up your hands. Accomplish any other tasks. One or two more pumps and your in. If the door opens outwards think about the hinges but also think that its a storage or custodial closet. In a public hall of an apartment building its prob. a storage closet used by the super. to store everything. Once I came across a outward opening door in a hallway. It was once a storage room. It was so big it was turned into a studio type apartment. It even had a window. But that was very very rare.

If the outward opening door is on the exterior look for the bolt heads that hold the panic bar. Look for the bolt heads that hold a slide bolt. Strike the door around the perimiter to create gaps and find the weak points. Then choose you method. The hinges might not be an option since its on the exterior and are probaly hardened and welded as to not remove the pins.

Always indentify what the lock is. Then which ones are locked. If you practice your technigue you'll always have the keys to any door.

Pushing heat and hot gases out a well timed vented window and away from the nozzle team. Breaking thermal layers, thus negating the chance of flashover. Placing the nozzle between the fire and any means of egress that must be protected. All of these help extinguish the fire quickly and effectively. These are all tasks which are preformed well with a TFT.

If your fires are'nt going out then maybe you have to look at your tactics. Was it a one line fire? Could we have used a second line? Was the fire vented well giving the nozzle team a good chance on making a push?

GPM? Fireflow? The Iowa formula? Even if your gonna do the math, should'nt you just know "we need a second line" or a third! Way to often only one line is stretched. Maybe a delayed second line might show up. Even if there is fire on an entire floor of a two and a half story. If the nozzle team makes a good push and the fire is vented well (self vented) Then I've seen these fires go out. Nobody will say"we should of had a smoothbore nozzle" But if the fire goes through the roof everybody blames the TFT for lack of GPM. But how about asking where was the second or third line?

Adding a new peice of equipment to your arsenal is'nt always the answer. Tactics and abilitys must be up to par. No sense in reinventing the wheel, just fix the flat and drive on.

How about a roadtrip to SCORES in Manhattan? We'll rent a bus, providing beer and wedges, and with whatever money is left over, have a lap dance raffle(s) for Verified Members only. What da ya say?    

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If things go bad the cops will only know who the verified guys are. The rest of us are in the clear.

Unless you live in Mt. Vernon. Your not getting the job.

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That really only goes for the FD. I've been to some PD swearing in where the new cops are introduced as being residents of somewhere other than MV

I am really getting tired of your wise a** remarks ALS as are most others on here. I know a few good places we can meet to work it all out. Who are you to condescend others on here.

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I hear ya 233 maybe thats why attendance is down and classes cancelled

NO TRAINING FOR YOU! you must drive for hours to be trained! driving for long time is part of training. GAS CHEAP NOW! you drive! We have coffee and cookies so you stay overnight!

While I agree it is a disgrace for the fire service leaders to not supply the men with what they need you should still go out and buy your own rope. It is better to have it and get out than to fight with city hall about getting it when you really needed it.

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Well put L-12. If you know it can save your life and the cost is'nt an issue then why wait for a pencil pusher to sign off on a dept. wide purchase. Ask around and I'm sure you can figure out what you need to buy. That along with some hands on training can save your life.

Good point about the brakes locking up. Alot of guys think they'll lose the brakes and not be able to stop, or the brakes get spongy because the air gets low. If the air goes the brakes will lock up. If the brakes get spongy while your driving you might be on them to much.

My question about the whole incident is why is yonkers being called up to help.  You have 3 other fire departments in this area who are here to help.  Another question is, who has control at those scenes does the P.D. or the F.D.?

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Is does'nt matter who was called, as long as there was'nt a delay in response. Not to mention the other reasons that have been mentioned in other posts.

this reporter got what he deserved.  Nearly everyone involved in this deserve an a** whipping.  These reporters are constantly harrassing people and think they are above it all just because they have a camera.  And while often the people they are after are trash, it is not the role of these clowns to convict people of these crimes.  Every once in a while a story comes out about these investigative reports being false or misdirected and there are no repercussions or accountability.  Besides, watching the behavior of these people, its obvious that its escalating and the reporter continues to provoke a reaction out of them.  He got it and I hope he enjoyed it.

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How dare that reporter investigate someone using another guys name and finacials to buy a house for himself. So what if some poor guy loses everything he owns because someone stole his identity. I hope those two rott in jail. I wonder who they were gonna rip off next.

I wonder how many tests this guy has taken, or what list he might be on.

From what I heard, I don't think the new truck is supposed to be any bigger than the new engine 22

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C'mon E-22 is'nt that big, is it?

NJ FF tags do not have the letters "VF" in them. They are a 4 digit tag with the maltese in them, as shown here.

If he had a "VF" plate, then he was probably a NYer. Regardless, he was still in the wrong.

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Thanks for the info wolf. It was defenitly NJ but I'm sure your right about the markings. The NJ plates going down the sawmill is why he stood out to me.

I also have come to find out this guy from the other day was'nt responding. Who knows what he was thinking. That will all come out in the days ahead.