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I guess I am a heartless tasteless SOB. When I posted the same sort of thing about the FF/EMT from Empire who perished (discussions about 24+ hour shifts for EMS agencies posted the next day), I said it should have waited, and yet I was told that it was not too early to be discussing it. So here we are, me being the one to say its too early to talk about a LODD issue, and now I am the one being accused of being tasteless, and insensitive. Damned if I do, damned if I don't. Wheres the line????

Its obviously for when flooding occurs!! I mean, they say nothing stop the US Mail, right???

The law is just the beginning. From there can always stem civil suits. At least once it is established that a violation of the law occurred, and if someone gets injured for killed from such actions, civil actions are sure to ensue. Look at NFPA 1403 and Lairdsville! I do agree that what happened after Charleston is an atrocity, and an embarrassment, in my eyes, to the sacrifices made!!

Thank you for that clarification. I had not heard that update until you mentioned it!!

Not to worry. I am happy this topic is going somewhere other than just the normal BS sessions some end up as. This is, as you said, a healthy, informative conversation. NYS PESH is OSHA, just specific to NYS. They are a division of the NYS Dept. of Labor. OSHA allowed states to either let them be the safety ones, or for the states to run their own 'version'. PESH takes all OSHA standards, and can only make them MORE stringent. THey enforce all OSHA laws, some as OSHA states, some a little bit more intensely.

OSHA is federal government. How can BFD not fall under their jurisdiction? I am not looking to make enemies here. My main points are to bring awareness to these problems of complacency. Think about the brother in Scranton. A terrible loss to our most noble of professions. A 26 year veteran, and yet all it takes is complacency, and/or one moment of not thinking, and look what happens! Its the attitude of "I do what I have to do, to hell with the consequences", and "It'll never happen to me". 9 days into 2008 and we're already at 5 LODDs.

Ok, I think the point you are missing is this. OSHA = THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Again, more of those "universal precautions", as with driving. Like the Speed Limit, is law also. And what happens if a cop pulls you over for speeding, and breaking the law. Will you argue the statistics, and pull out your calculator telling him the percentage of accidents per capita or other technical mumbo jumbo? As the cop laughs, hands you the ticket, and walks back to his cruiser.

No problem. I felt bad for hijacking it going in the wrong direction. The way I see it, if you are not a telephone/cable/electrician, you are not qualified to be that close to any overhead wires!!

And who is to say that somehow, somewhere close by, one line did not fall and cross with another, and energize it to a higher voltage? Its called universal precautions, and common sense guys.

Psssst....check out the posting directly above yours!!

There is aggressive placement, then there is dangerous!!! Just remember, OSHA says 10 feet minimum distance from ANY WIRES!!! Below is a picture of the setup where the Scranton PA captain died. Remember, he died from electrocution, not because the aerial came into contact with lines, but because the power arc-ed!! This is not a Monday morning quarterback, or a bashing of anyone/any department, its just a reminder to BE SAFE OUT THERE!!!! Your best tool on a fireground is your head!!!

So I am sure you will get a barrage of questions about this. What happened?? I was going through withdrawal, not having my fix of EMTBravo. Spent my whole day sick in bed, and was saddened I was not able to get on!! We still love you Seth! (as I am sure it was not your fault)

Lol, so eloquently put!! Do keep in mid though, this is a general statement, not just specific to Westchester. EMS doesn't tend to make a whole lot of anything in most places.

Ninja firefighters!! Dark so we are less visible at night!!

As of Jan. 8, it will be 3 years I have been here, and I am happy to be a part of this forum!! Always very informative threads going on, and a tasteful amount of humor to lighten the day. Heres to you Seth, for all your hard work!

Man, wish I had seen this the other day and known ahead of time!!

Yet another example of our society's moral decline!!!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm .....

Agreed!! Now if only there was something to apply them too **pondering**

Seth????? Seth who????

+1

There are a lot of different aspects of the Emergency Services to be looked at. I know that about a year or 2 ago, there was a study that was released, referring to the state of the emergency services sector of Dutchess County, and a Symposium held at DCC with the results. Unfortunately, I did not get to go, but wish I could see some of the results turned up. I am far too tired, and it is far too late right now for me to post any more, but I will come back to this topic tomorrow, when I am a bit more alert, and composed, to, well, compose my thoughts into word form, lol!

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