Alpinerunner

Very nice package!! How does Ridgefield use this vehicle? Is it a Chief's car? General utility?

Yes, this brings up the issue of having background checks for all of your members. Not so much because of the possibility of them stealing, but to keep the members from looking guilty when they aren't. For instance, if someone in the house had a theft charge on their record, this lady might have never been caught and an innocent person could be charged.

She should be charged with a felony.

I thought to be a LODD it has to be while responding to, working at, or returning from, a call. I would imagine maintenance is in the same catagory as training. Can you get a LODD for training? You may, I really don't know. I believe in the military you can.

I understand Alpinerunner. There are right and wrong ways of providing Fire, Rescue and EMS services, there are also many obstructions to getting things done the right way. As you have stated in your area dysfunctional county government is a problem. Other issues that can prevent departments from doing 'the right thing':

Rescue is looking great!!

I als wanted to clarify, though, that by dysfunctional I meant non-existant. CT doesn't have any county government or county organization like NY. So it would be difficult to have a county Hazmat truck, command vehicle, Technical rescue, etc... as much as it does make sense. Because of this there is a lot of duplication of apparatus in some areas and some areas just end up with very little specialized equipment. There has been talk (on radio talk shows) about resurecting county government as a cost savings in light of the current financial situation. It won't happen.

Great thread!

What apparatus respond initially? An engine, a rescue, an ALS bus, and a 2nd paramedic in a fly car

How much manpower will you get? 4 on the engine, 4 on the rescue, 2 on the bus, and 1 on the fly car

How do you position the apparatus? Hopefully both apparatus can get uphill of the scene to stay out of the oil.

You're the IC, what is your Incident Action Plan? The rescue and engine uphill of the accident to start extrication and provide fire protection, the 2nd due engine downhill to close the road and start with Dam dyke and divert. The HAZMAT unit to do whatever they do.

What additional resources would you call? An extra engine, the HAZMAT trailer, and DEP

Not to get too off topic, but do you think it's possible to have an effective sprinkler system in a home with a well? I'm thinking that a bedroom would have to be half consumed before the heat activates a sprinkler. Do you think a well pump could supply enough water to effectively knock down or contain a fire? It very well could, I just don't know enough about well pump flow capacity and sprinkler head flow requirements.

IDLH usually refers to a dangerous atmouspheric condition, resulting in the need for an airpack. It doesn't have anything to do with the need for turnout gear. I.E., an MVA is a dangerous situation that requires turnout gear, but it is not IDLH, and doesn't require an SCBA.

In a vollie department with memebers responding to the scene/firehouse, I think it is reasonable to setup a ladder without gear, and it is mandatory to be in full turnout gear while on the turn table. My reasoning for this is that getting the ladder setup is potentially a time sensitive operation because there could be victims that need to be rescued, and it is not a dangerous operation. The operator could setup the ladder while a potential rescuer gets in turnout gear and an SCBA. When the ladder is setup, the rescuer will be ready. However, when the operator is on the turntable you do have the potential to need to climb the ladder, he/she could fall from the turntable, etc so turnout gear is a must.

Very nice! Most 2000+ gallon machines I've seen have required a double rear axle. It's great that they were able to engineer it for 1 axle. Looks like a great compact setup that will be easy to maneuver.

Cool pics! Regardless of live wires or not (the post does say power was shut down), why use the ladder? Was there just a lot of fire?

If you gate down the nozzle you create a back pressure and the eductor will not pick up foam, so you get water without foam.

Most eductors require 200psi at the eductor, with a max of 200' of hose between the eductor and the nozzle. the friction loss of the hose and eductor will give you 100psi at the nozzle. This is general, you need to know what eductor psi requirements you have.

Thanks for the info. That is a great setup in the bumper! About the flow rate. Are you sure that's the case with all nozzles? I remember the eductor being rated for a specific flow rate (95 gpm) engraved from the manufacturer. Our variable flow rate (30-200?) TFT fog nozzles had to be gated down a click or two to get to that flow rate. I experienced this first hand, that at full flow the foam was poor, and when gated down the foam was significantly better. It's possible that we weren't pumping at a high enough pressure and that's why we needed to gate down. Thoughts?

You need to provide nozzle pressure at the nozzle which sounds like you have 100psi fog nozzles. Eductors have high friction loss due to their design so it is very possible to have pump pressures of 150-200psi to get your needed 100psi at the nozzle. Check the manuals for the eductors you use, they should have a required intake pressure on them.

Very good info! I'll have to check that out. I am surprised to hear of people using Class A foam and CAFS. I haven't heard of any departments using that around me. I've read about it being useful for protecting houses from wildland fires though. A class B foam trailer makes sense for your district.

1) AFFF

2) Flamable liquid fires. Basically any time water would spread the fuel around and you want smother instead of cool.

3) 4 5-gallon jugs

4) We can pump from the rig but would always use the eductor because the tank system gets gummed up if you don't rinse it out and maintain it

5) Unknown

6) If 20 gallons isn't enough, we're calling someone else.

A few more things I've learned about foam: Nozzle flow must match eductor flow. It may be required to gate down the nozzle to achieve the flow rate the eductor requires and to get good foam.

My question: I thought foam was pumped at 100 nozzle psi (fog), but I've heard that you need up to 200 psi. What is the correct pressure?

I haven't had to force a door yet "on the job", but that's certainly not the way we learned it on the Friction Force door in class...

I'm not being sarcastic when I ask this, but, is that sometimes an acceptable method for lighter, outward swinging doors?

Box Box I fully agree about the staffing issue and the rescue pumper being an efficient solution. As for your other points, that would be nice in states that had functional county governments. CT does not.

Great looking rescue! I really like the fact that it has a little bit of water on it. It sucks to be first due with no water, or to come upon an incident and not be able to do anything. Plus the public never understands.

They may have significant savings. Obviously it isn't sustainable, but maybe they are expecting things to change before these savings run out.

Really!? Someone posts a picture of a new piece of apparatus that is going to help better serve the community and all you're worried about is some sort of juvenile, inter-agency rivalry? I have a couple of friends in Yonkers and they get pin jobs on a routine basis. From what I hear they seem to work pretty well with the cops.

Since when is a vehicle extrication something that is "stolen" from another agency? I'm pretty sure that the guy in the car could care less if it's the mailman that gets him out, so long as someone does.

Guys with a mentality like yours don't even belong on a rig IMHO.

Wow, I honestly didn't know there was this much hostility here or I wouldn't have posted my question. I'm new to this forum and haven't experienced it in others, so for this I'm sorry.

I simply ASKED the question, I did not try to insight a riot or make a statement. I ASKED the question because I know it is a concern amongst the guys from Stamford, whom I'm not affiliated with, so I don't care. I would like to thank the other posters who responded positively, with good info about how Yonkers works.

Oh man. I'm curious as to what YFD thinks about this. There is talk in Stamford about the PD getting SFRD's old rescue and the union isn't happy about it because they think SPD will be stealing their extrications...

Happy B-day SFRD. Stay safe out there!

Why are the mechanical Q sirens illegal?

There is a public meeting of the Task Force at Turn of River Fire Dept at 6pm on Friday Feb 12th (tomorrow). As it is a public meeting, all are welcome: volunteers, union members, and concerned citizens.

268 Turn of River Rd, Stamford

I agree, the aricle by the Pres of the Vulcans only points to racism amongst the members of the FDNY, and it doesn't even say it's widespread or still persistent.

The letter does not say anything about the written test being biased. The only way the test could be biased would be if the questions were based on Pop-culture, because that's the only area where the various races' knowledge-base differs. Not that one race knows more than another... but it's the only thing I can think of where it's simply different.