lickeystickey

http://www.ryecityreview.com/news/city-leaders-back-plan-to-add-career-firefighters/
City leaders back plan to add career firefighters – The Rye City Review

Guys-

If they are going to film an important/emotional moment- they could have waited until the  PASS alarm testing or whatever was finished...  I realize that it is a "reality" show- but give me a break, it is not ALL filmed on-the-go, there are a lot of set-up scenes.

I still stand by my statement that it is totally careless of a Lieutenant to go on TV and say "you basically try to stand upwind..." after the narrator has just told the audience that car fires pose the dangers of explosion and poisonous gasses.

Remember- a lot of people watching the show have no working knowledge of firefighting.  Its called the Discovery Channel... lets hope that people aren't "discovering" that some of this country's bravest are taking un-necessary risks. 

The Boston guys not wearing their masks at a car fire will continue to irritate me just as much as Paulie, Vinny and Rick welding with the "close-your-eyes" method on American Chopper.

If Discovery Channel is all about teaching and informing... they should try to teach by example.

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242steve

I think it takes a big set of you know whats for you to post this considering A quote from you at a dumpster fire not to long ago. I believe it went something like " I don't need a pack its only a dumpster and I am upwind." People who live in glass house's should not F@#$ sheep.

For a fast team to be needed, someone has to actually go in the building. Hey Rich, how many working fires has Ryes' fast team actually worked? Not as a fast team, just fires that your team members have been in on a hose line. Don't B.S. because I already know the answer.

Why don't you donate cash or volunteer to do fundraiser work so you can pay someone to help those families?

That could be the greediest statement I have ever read on this board. I am not a naive person, of course people have to earn a living, but there are times where you can do something because it is the right thing to do, not just to get paid.

how is that greedy? Your taking care of a situation with out effecting anyones job. But this is way off topic.

U know i see where everyone is coming from but the only thing i have to say is that we as fireman forget the real reason we do it. Yes its becuase we want to help save/protect people/ protect thier property , provide a service to a city a town what have u.   But the one thing and the only thing that keeps me doing it is that i love doing it. Now im a volli hopefully paid some day. I just dont see the big FU***** deal with volunteering. I know that they keep saying its a union thing but its not when i leave work from my job i volunteer its not a problem with my union as a matter of fact we volunteer while working so nobody can give you that line of crap. People (the higher ups) need to remeber its a service to help people a service of brotherhood a bond you wont get with anyother job wehter its done volunteering or paid the service is thier. And to say that were taking jobs away lol what a load of crap we were volunteering in the fire service before we were paid and its up to the village, town etc officials not us if were doing a good job providing a good enough service than your taxes being cheaper pay off in 2 ways not just 1.  :angry:  :angry:

It's about union members volunteering in combination depts. How would your union brothers feel about you volunteering to work on a union job site to save a municipality from haveing to hire one of your union brothers. If your not in a FD union then go ahead and be a volunteer and good luck on getting hired.

Somebody should remind these guys that if they created a paid fire departmemt in the communities they live in, they would no longer be able to afford to live there after the increase to their taxes.

Oh, and by the way, your welcome. Some of these paid guys seem awfullly ungratefull of the fire/EMS protection we volunteer to provide them in their home towns.

One question, if a carpenter, electrician or plumber volunteered those skills to help a needy family or organization, is he wrong for taking away a potential paying job?

they need to check the fd budget and ins. rating. It may cancel out the increase if there is any.

Oh, and by the way, some of these vollies feel there owed benifits for what they volunteer to do. doesn't that just make them under paid firefighters?

Why don't you donate cash or volunteer to do fundraiser work so you can pay someone to help those families?

Lickey,

I think the point being made is said career FF is working at his second job (painter, plumber, electrician) far below union prevailing wage.  If he was not doing that, the union worker would get the job.  If your arguement is just the fact of being paid, then you must not have a problem with the custodian being paid in Purchase and other Dept's to roll the rigs.

the old saying you get what you pay for, if you want to hire a ff to sweat tubing thats your choice. As for Purchase seems like they found a way around hiring the guys that scored high on the civil service exam. Are the custodians vollies from Purchase? Did they take the civil service test? Are they in the top three from there town?

I can't speak for all volunteers, but I am definitely not stealing a paid job from a career firefighter. My town, like most smaller towns and cities, can't afford paid firefighters. I wasn't given a choice to get paid or volunteer when I joined. Trust me, if they asked me if I could be paid or volunteer, I would have chosen paid too.

I agree working at all volunteer dept. is not my beef. However, if you do this for a living and then vol. somewhere on your spare time, how does the city or town you work for know that you did not get injured or sick from something you did as a vol.? Also some small towns and cities need to check the ins. ratings and budget to see what is best for them.

TSULL, I have to agree with you. If the union says that by volunteering especially in a combo department takes away jobs, then working a second job in any profession that has a union but you are working as non union help, you are also taking away possible union jobs. You cannot discriminate.

the differance is they are being paid not volunteering to do plumbing or elec. or anything else that takes a job from another.

TSull, That is an excellent point on the 2nd unionized jobs. It is a point that I have never heard or read of an effective counter to.

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the rebutle is that they are being paid they aren't taking a job for free. Most of the career firefighters I know are not working as carpenters or electricians or whatever on union job sites. bottom line you shouldn't volunteer to take anyones job.

What about people at dumpster fires who say they do not need a pack because the wind is blowing the smoke away from them