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OK FOLKS I AM NOT HAPPY HERE!

First, this thread is not going to be a paid vs. vollie thing.  If it continues, the thread will be taken down.

Second, the artile was posted because this could happen to any firefighter or EMT ot off duty police officer. 

The point of the article and I am looking for a better press release on this is that a person who has every right to have a badge, was not misusing it at all, was falsely arrested just for keeping it in his BRIEFCASE!  For all we know, this could be the badge style that of the agency he works / volunteers for.  We can assume everything here from he had it with so he figured it is safe in the briefcase to he was going to his shift afterwards and was carrying it.  Lets not assume and go with the facts.

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The one person it should not happen too is an off duty POLICE OFFICER. Unless of course he is BREAKING THE LAW, then what ever happens, happens. If you are an OFF DUTY PO and just carry your ID that is your own perogative. I would like to think that when questioned by AUTHORITY, the off duty MOS would say, " I am on the job here is my ID" It would take a quick phone call to confirm if this person is in fact PO MOS.

Who really cares if the person is an EMT? What gives them the right to carry a BADGE? Most people that carry badges including Paid FF's are sworn in to carry such badge. That does not mean sworn in by the Head of an AMBULANCE CORP or FD either, I mean by a MAYOR, TOWN SUPERVISOR, ETC... Are EMS people now sworn in before they get a job. NOOOOOO. He could have left his badge else where. Why not just carry it in a wallet. Leaving it in a briefcase may have been suspicious to the PERSONNELL at the Court house.

IZZY, where you there? Was it you? You don't know that he was just falsely arrested for having it in his briefcase. There is more to this story than they are letting on about. You are also assuming that he is going into work after he gets out of the Courthouse.

This is not a PAID Versus VOLLIE thing, it is a BADGE Versus NO BADGE thing. I just think that you are mad becasue nobody agrees with you.

I figured out the quote thing. I am so happy now.

PM, just to be clear, that is not my quote above. I copied that from whoever else wrote it and pasted it on mine. I don't know how to use the quote thing. I did write the "Stinking Badges" part though.

With that being said, maybe if you are A PAID PROFESSIONAL and working in uniform you can have your badge. Just leave it at home or in your glove box when not at work. Vollies don't need them period.

As for people that stop when off duty to assist, why do that? You could be first on scene giving medical treatment, but soon as the PD/FD/EMS agency gets there, get out of the way. I can't stand when I get somewhere and someone says, "I'm an EMT, with Blah, Blah, Blah. I don't care, get out of my way. I don't need your help. Thanks for stopping, now be on your way.

I am still curious to see what the EMT in the City was charged with. Did it say?

Reading some of the older posts, it seems that almost everyone is in agreement that shields should only be carried off duty by LAW ENFORCEMENT.

Once again being arested for BS not not having a badge is what will deter volunteering.

The reason to have a badge would be for the same reason off-duty FFs (paid and volly) have badges. If there is a fire will a FF pull out his badge and fight the fire? I think there may even be a stronger argument for off-duty EMTs to have a badge (in addition to their other credentials) then for off-duty FFs. However I will concede that there is little actual reason in EITHER case for a badge, but perhaps the same can be said about off duty PD. I'm sure that all police officers when they carry their gun have some sort of photo ID with them, becayse a badge just won't cut it; anyone can buy one of those.

Not sure how to work that Quote thing.

Neither should have a badge Period. 9-11-01 was different. It still didn't matter if you had a badge down there or not. Nobody was checking. I have been into Federal Buildings as well and have had to at least lock up my firearm in the Office I was in.

Off Duty PO's should have both their ID and BADGE. If they are going to carry their firearms, they MUST have their Badge, and ID won't cut it. Like was said before, ID's can be made on Computers. You see how people are making fake Licenses, they can make those ID's Better. You can get a badge made, but you need proper ID to do that as well. Can't just walk into a Uniform store and have one made.

PM was right, the only people that should carry a badge is LAW ENFORCEMENT personell.

So, this person was arrested, are you saying he doesn't want to volley anymore? I know lots of VOLLY's that have been arrested, they still do it.

BADGES, WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING BADGES

So the badge was discovered in a briefcase, why was it there and not in his wallet? He should have just left it at home. I know what was happening, if someone got hurt or sick, he was going to be like SUPERMAN and Run into a phone booth and come out with it around his neck. Not like the Courthouse can't deal an issue.

Everyone talks about this detering someone from Volunteering. Is that why one Volunteers, to get a badge? In my experiece, kids like to get them becasue they think that it will get them out of tickets for driving like assh***s.

They just don't make any sense to me. Can someone come up with a VALID point on why someone that is not involved in LAW ENFROCEMENT or maybe even PROFFESSIONAL FD has to have a shield. And don't tell me to identify ones self while OFF DUTY, BUFFING A SCENE.

GPD has a Marine Unit that also has members fromt the PD of Dobbs Ferry, Ardlsey, Tarrytown, Irvington and Sleepy Hollow. I might not be right with all of them, but I know that a few of them are on the Marine Unit. As for divers, we have not trained with them and I had heard that some of them might be taking a class or have already been certified divers. Not sure if that is on the LEVEL of a Rescue Diver though.

So after reading the petition, the EMT was arrested for walking into A FEDERAL COURT HOUSE and having the badge in his briefcase. I think it said that he was a Volunteer. With the way the world is now, maybe they should have detained him and taken the shield and slapped him on the wrist. But you know what, they did what they had to do. ANYONE can get one of those badges, walk into the Courthouse and BLOW away a judge or someone else. I stand by my point.

DO AWAY WITH ALL BADGES THAT DO NOT PERTAIN TO FEDERAL, STATE, CITY or LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT. Maybe PAID FD CAN keep theirs, not sure yet.

What the article didn't say is why the EMT/Medic was stopped in the first place. I am sure that is was not just for the fact that he/she had a shield. Maybe the person was trying to use the shield to get out of something more serious and the Officer gave him/her a break.

I never understood why when an EMS person is not working, they needed a shield. It makes no sense. You don't need one off duty, I'm sorry, but you don't. So you stop at an accident while you are off duty and tell the Officers that you are an EMT/Medic, whatever, stick around to give your name, you know you will anyway.

I like to think that when someone carries a shield, they should also be carrying a gun. That is a rule of thumb that was taught in the Police Academy. You should have your ID with you at all times, but, if you are going to carry a gun, you HAVE to have your shield. And, you should not carry your shield if you are not going to carry your GUN.

Do EMT's/Medics carry guns now? I think more facts of the story should come out. What was the Probable cause for the stop? What are the charges now?

I was involved in both Paid and Volunteer EMS for a long time and still am and never carried a badge. Had my state card and that was good enough. Had my name, state # and my EXP date. Enough said.

Stat 213 is right, you don't need all that crap on any EMS call. What you carry in your bags should be enough for even the TOUGHEST BLS/ALS call.

I never carried anything with me, other than my Stethescope. The more crap I see with a person, the more I know that they don't know what they are doing. I once saw a person carry that rubber hammer used to check reflexes, WHY.

An open line on a 911 call could also mean a crime in progress. Home invasion, Domestic Dispute. The FD would do no good being dispatched to any of those calls.

I think that the bottom line is that IF there was a Central location for 911 calls, and there is an open line, does everyone get sent? I know that PD should get sent on everything. Whether they beat the FD or EMS is another thing, depending on call volume at that time.

I think that 911 should come into a Central Area except for the big cities. I hear that Baltimore City or County, can't remember has an awesome 911 command center. Would prob be big bucks though. Wishful thinking in this County.

Tanker had it right.

Do all the local VFD's and VAC's want to be put on standby for all 911 calls that come in? If that is the case, you should have full time staff in your firehouse's or ambulance corps. Our PD gets all 911 calls from within the Town. Of course sometimes, actually most of the time, they are dialed in error or accidental. When a true 911 emergency comes in, a patrol car is sent and the right agency is dispatched immediatley either through 60 Control or another PD agency. It might not be the best system, but it works. If a patrol car gets on scene and see's a working fire, it gets called in as a working fire. Easy enough. 60 is notified and so is the responding agency.

So is it the position on here that all 911 calls come into 60 Control? I don't think they even want that. Confusion, Confusion, Confusion.

I will say this, 60 Control can take over our portion of EMS though. Please, do us the favor. No offense to the EMS system in our Town, just a pain in but sometimes.

First of all, I would like to thank EMT BRAVO for responding to my EMAIL so quickly.

Chief Hennessey, I appreciate that you called for our DIVE TEAM. I wasn't trying to make this a PD Versus FD matter at all. Like usual, I didn't have all the facts. I know have them and know the times that 37M1 (Mt Pleasant Medic 1) started to respond and I heard the Hot Line along with when 60 Control called our Department. I am not saying that I agree or disagree. I think that with the seriousness of this situation, all the available DIVE TEAM personal whether PD or FD should be there.

My original point was to get others that read this board to realize that in their jurisdiction they may not have a DIVE TEAM attached to the PD or FD and maybe not in the General vicinity. I know of all the PD's with DIVE TEAMS, but not all the FD'S.

Diving is a thing that us as RESCUE DIVERS train for all the time and thankfully don't have to use. But when there is a need for a CALL OUT, we want to be there for that. Training is good, but doing the real thing is GREAT. Don't get me wrong, most of the time if we as DIVERS are there, it is not good for someone else. Just good experience for US.

I will make sure that I do have all the info next time.

This is a first time for me to post and I was trying to find the right place on here to post so I apologize now if this is not the right place.

In regards to the 6Y.O that fell through the ice last night in Sleepy Hollow. Being that Sleepy Hollow is in the Incorparted Town Of Mt. Pleasant, don't you think that the MT PLEASANT PD DIVE TEAM Should have been called before Irvington FD? I personally know that their were 3 members of the PD dive team working last night and could have been there in a Jiffy.

Now of course I don't have all the info yet, but I will when I get into work today. I just want other members who volunteer and work in Westchester to know that the Town of MT PLEASANT PD has a DIVE TEAM with lots of experience and can be called out at a moments notice. Most of us are usually working anyway so the response time would be quick. We also just got a New Police Boat and Underwater Sonar Unit. We train at least once a month and are all certified in Underwater Crime Scenes along with Ice Rescue's.

We train with Croton on Hudson PD DIVE TEAM and Village of Mamaroneck PD Harbor Unit at least 3-4 times a year. Just keep the PD'S in mind.

Not sure if it is still there, but this place called Wild Wings in the Reading Reginonal Airport in Reading, PA. All you can eat wings at the time for $6.95. All kinds too.

Foley's had great wings and I agree with the Candlelight, but they are bigger than wings should be.