weaselff

I say let it burn, looks like a 3rd world shack. Was this pic even taken in America? Maybe the Mississippi Delta or New Orleans? In a lifesaving op, I'd say quick horizontal ventilation then charge in with the 1.75"!

Well-said. I have to agree with Weaselff.

And for whoever asked about leaving keys in my ignitiion to run for a bagel or cup of coffee? Never ever EVER. Nowhere. Not even in foofy Bedford Hills or Bronxville or in my own dang driveway! Where do you think the bad guys are lurking most (in towns like I mentioned), expecting all the naive locals to do such a careless thing as leave a nice shiny car open and running???

I was also thinking along the lines of some psycho spoiled brat 15 year olds! I used to hang around a few when I was growing up in Westchester. You dont think "Dalton" who lives in the McMansion down the block wont take your car for a joy ride while you run in the store for a cup of coffee?

Bashing Alert. This incident can happen to any IC who has to leave his vehicle running to power radio repeaters. The lsson is to secure your vehicle with another key.

No it was completely idiotic and unprofessional for this to happen to any IC. Being familliar with the area I know that Uniondale/Hempstead is pretty much the "Mount Vernon" of Long Island. To leave your keys in your car running and then go out of view into a building is beyond words, I wouldn't even do that in Katonah! I'm not bashing anyone who doesn't deserve to be bashed. I apologize (kind of) if I offended anyone by calling out someone for being insanely irresponsible.

What a great time to be around.

Let me get this straight, Firemen and innocent children being severely burned or killed on a regular basis is a great time?

And with the hospital closures, the ambulances turning out are lost as well. FDNY is asking for all paramedics interested in a transfer to queens to sign up now. I'm assuming they're going to grab up as much ALS as they can and give up the remaining ALS and all BLS to the voluntaries.

Queens West(Bn 45/46/49) is a great place to work, could be worth the bridge tolls for FDNY EMS members who live in southern Westchester/Bronx. Though nowhere in NYC is safe, it has far fewer skells than Bronx commands...maybe a good choice for those burnt out from the ghetto nonsense.

Well weaselff, how competent was Rescue 1? They couldn't even get their boat started and in the water. Meanwhile you had 2 scuba cops and two esu cops in the plane searching for victims.

All in all it was a good effort by everyone involved at the scene.

Bull I hope you are not FDNY. If you are way to have pride in your job just when the budget axe is falling on company closures and possible layoffs. ESU is doing your job and for a higher salary to boot.

I did hear about the Rescue 1 boat problem, but at the same time there were numerous FD (and PD) marine units on scene from the first moments conducting rescue ops.

WOW, easy on the hating. ESU originally got involved in extrication because FDNY was too busy with actual fire to be availible all the time. Ever notice most of the fights started when the number of fires was reduced. I guess you have never been at a job where FD took the attitude "the guys dead, ESU can handle this." The point is there are glory hounds on both sides. Here both sides worked together, why does it always degrade into this nonsense. Everyone had plenty to do, they did it, and THEY DID IT WELL. Leave it at that. Where there some problems, sure always are, things like traffic, problems with radios, locations, initial dispatch info, etc...

PS read the above where the NTSB wanted FD to stay out of the aircraft after it was tied up, to prevent contamination of a possible crime scene, and any further investigation of the accident.

Spare me the nonsense NYPD and ESU was just as busy as FD during the "war years" when the city was in chaos. ESU is only involved in rescue because of PR and because Kerik and now Kelly are control freaks. The FDNY is more than competent in handling any rescue situation the world throws at them and they have proven that for almost 150 years. ESU is a huge waist of money and resources. They are great at what they do shooting bad guys, rescuing hostages and talking EDP's off bridges. I commend them for their great work but they have no business at PLANE CRASHES, building collapses, extrications etc. They are first and foremost a SWAT team they are not the fire department.

Dont give me that crime scene BS, it was a freakin' plane crash into the Hudson River on the coldest day of the year. There was plenty of time after the intial life rescue operations to investigate this "cime scene".

For many years FDNY had their hands tied with fires. Half the city burned down over 20 years and in that time a lot changed. NYPD ESU picked up auto extrication because at times there were no truck companies nearby available to handle.

The FDNY Marine 1 and 9 fire boats were designed to put big water on big fires. They were not fast enough for rescue. In the summer smaller faster boats are put into service and both Marine 1 and 9 both have smaller rescue boats in the water year round. There is a new generation of fire boat on the way that will give FDNY a bigger presence on the water, but the primary means of water rescue are still shore based (FDNY) and airborne (NYPD).

Same thing happened with aviation. PD started the unit through the efforts of its members. By the time Fire got to looking for a bird PD made the case that they had everything covered.

As for who is in control, Commissioner Kelly is a smart and political savvy individual. He has Bloomberg's ear and has been able to expand NYPD's sphere of influence. FDNY is stuck with Scoppetta, a career politician who's previous experience was running The Administration for Children's Services.

WRONG. NYPD has ESU respond to extrications and other high profile rescues because it is the only good PR for a department that doesnt get much good PR. I am not a cop hater and I always stand up for PD but the duplication of services in NYC is ridiculous. My experience with ESU in rescue situations is they just tend to get in the way of competent FD operations and then grab a handle on the stokes basket as the press cameras are flashing. I dont know why they cant just deal with high risk warrants and the occasional EDP jumper up like SWAT does in every other city.

For many years FDNY had their hands tied with fires. Half the city burned down over 20 years and in that time a lot changed. NYPD ESU picked up auto extrication because at times there were no truck companies nearby available to handle.

The FDNY Marine 1 and 9 fire boats were designed to put big water on big fires. They were not fast enough for rescue. In the summer smaller faster boats are put into service and both Marine 1 and 9 both have smaller rescue boats in the water year round. There is a new generation of fire boat on the way that will give FDNY a bigger presence on the water, but the primary means of water rescue are still shore based (FDNY) and airborne (NYPD).

Same thing happened with aviation. PD started the unit through the efforts of its members. By the time Fire got to looking for a bird PD made the case that they had everything covered.

As for who is in control, Commissioner Kelly is a smart and political savvy individual. He has Bloomberg's ear and has been able to expand NYPD's sphere of influence. FDNY is stuck with Scoppetta, a career politician who's previous experience was running The Administration for Children's Services.

WRONG. NYPD has ESU respond to extrications and other rescues because it is the only good PR in a liberal hellhole city where everyone hates cops. I love cops and I am a huge PD supporter but this ridiculous duplication of services pisses me off to no end. Why cant ESU stick to serving high risk warrants and maybe the occasional suicidal jumper up like SWAT in every other city?

I have no problem with FEMA money being used for Obama's innaugriation. The event(administration?) is already set up to be a disaster. His main support groups are idiot college kids and inner city skells, and DC on tuesday is gonna be chock full of them. Think of all the riots and other acts of uncivil disobedience these groups have been responsible for in modern American history.

I agree along the lines of FDNY as a good option, youve got the Union backup, the medic program, but based on his intentions and the way it reads it looks like he wants to work for a "commercial" service

Why would anyone want to work for a commercial service. I can see for part time when you already have another career, but their really is no benefit I can think of. Maybe the scabs in NYC where the conditions bosses dont bust their balls as much as FD EMT's and medics?

Why would you say that??

I'll go with FDNY EMS...

I wholeheartedly agree, benefits, a union and a pension is what you need in this economy. Also their training in the TOPS program at the EMS academy is second to none. They will reteach you EMT and more. Though the job sucks at times it is the ONLY place to work EMS full time, whether as a career or waiting on another civil service list.

Wow seeing the demolition of Shea is tough, almost brings a tear to the eye...many great memories going to games with my Dad growing up and when I was older going with my friends and my wife. I was hoping to pass that tradition on with my kids, but they will only get to go to some sanitized ball park that belongs in Phoenix or Houston or something. Shea Stadium may have been grimy and dirty and smelled bad, but it was distinctly New York, maybe I'm a little romantic but I thought that would of meant something. Same goes for the "real" Yankee Stadium.

A good idea I guess, or just another thing for LI vollies to waste taxpayer money on...and make somebody a millionaire. I was always fine with strapping the bag to the patients lap. They can keep that heavy a** stryker also, I like the cheap but light ferno 2 wheeled stair chair.

Perhaps the Village of Brewster decided it needed a Police Department/K9 Unit for the simple fact that it is overrun with criminals who don't belong in this country... hmm? After the semi-crackdown in Danbury, Brewster has definitely seen an increase in violence and drug activity recently. I do believe a Trooper in Southeast had to shoot a suspect about a year ago, and there have been alot more assaults and narcotics arrests that I'm seeing in the news as of late. Kudos to a town taking efforts to curtail its illegal immigrant population. I know they are in negotiations with ICE to enter their cooperation program, as Danbury is also doing.

Somebody else sees the giant white elephant in the room! I have family in Brewster and in my short lifetime have seen that town change from "Mayberry" into a virtual 3rd world slum.

Here is an article about an ambulance in Nevada, saw something wrong and conducted a traffic stop.

http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?A...NEWS18/81202016

What are the rules/regulations about that up in NY? I assume that the logic was that the person could have been in danger. Anyone here outside of Greenburgh conducted a traffic stop in an ambulance (or fire engine I guess?). I assume it is illegal?

I'm guessing the ambulance crew flagged her down to see if she was ok, considering she was driving down the road with a fuel nozzle hanging out of her vehicle. I dont know what the protocol is in Nevada or elsewhere but in NYC intoxicated people or people suspected of being under the influence can not RMA. They probably talked her into some kind of patient contact long enough for PD to arrive. I say good job to EMS for getting a dangerous driver off the road.

Maybe the solution to this FDMV mess is to have the Mount Vernon Fire Department managed by the City of Yonkers Fire Department?

I actually kind of agree with you, its too bad NYC coudn't or wouldn't annex the whole city rather than Yonkers. Its clear the city administration is a complete disaster. The only thing that has kept it afloat the past few years has been the inflated real estate market in the tri state area. Lets hope its not a long term recession away from being another Gary In, or Camden NJ. Mark my words things are going to get much worse in the Vern, this is only the tip of the iceberg. Lets keep the brothers in FDMV, MVPD and Empress EMS in our thoughts and may they stay safe.

BTW, the was our only "box" when I worked at WEMS back in 2003-2005......ah, memories.......

Remember when the wheels fell off on the Throgs Neck Toll Plaza with a vent patient in the back? Hahahahahahaha!!!

Exactly how many NY State Fire Academies (or any other Civil Service training for that matter) have a full time residency requirement anyway?

Up at 0600 -curfew 1900, ...This is NOT the military.

I dont know if its changed with some of the more recent classes, but FDNY academy, especially in the first few weeks, we reported at 0600 and often didn't leave the gates until 1700 hrs, with some probies staying for unpaid mandatory extra help in PT and other evolutions. Then we drove home to points all over the metro area to eat, study, sleep and prepare to do it all over the next day!

I think when you are on probation or "new" in any profession its probably always best to just kind of go with the flow and not make too many waves, unless there is some sort of SERIOUS grievance. Remember the impression you make in your first few months will last through an entire career. Apparently the academy Plattsburgh sends their probies to is more paramilitary style. Until the city sends their recruits elsewhere this is just the way things are.

Oh sorry didn't notice you are already a P.O., forget the FDNY EMS stuff, go out there, have fun, and do the right thing for yourself and your patients.

I know I will probably get some crap, but be careful the habits you learn from private hospital EMS in NYC, many are clowns! Although its not the greatest gig in the world and has its fair shre of nitwits also, you are better off applying for FDNY EMS. They get full time hours and benefits and probably have the best EMS academy anywhere. They will reteach EMT-B and more. They are also union which is a big plus in this economy. I worked FDNY EMS for 2 years and I am currently a CFR FF in a heavily private EMS section of the city and I can tell you there is a huge quality difference between FD and private hospital EMTs and medics. Private hospital techs can get away with alot more stuff and act like skells accordingly. Lets put it this way, you can get fired by FDNY EMS and turn around the next day and be hired by a private hospital. Anyway good luck bro.

Correct me if Im wrong but it seems to me that living in an incorporated "village" is just a yuppie way of saying "I want all the services of living in a city but when it comes time to sell my house, I'd rather list it as located in the 'Village of Bronxville' than in the 'City of Bronxville"

There also doesn't seem to be any criteria as to what a hamlet, town, village or city actually is in NYS. I went to college in the "City of Oneonta NY" which is so small by Westchester standards it would probably be just a village or a large hamlet, but in Otsego county it is defined a a city. This is just another example of how NY and the rest of the Northeast should get on the same page as the rest of the country. You either live in an incorporated city or you live in an unincorporated township, thats it, no more confusion!

LI is evern more messed up, Whats considered a town is more like a county in the rest of the state. I currently live in the town of Islip and we have something like over 20 different hamlets, school districts and fire departments. I think the population is a couple of hundred thousand! Villages are more like cities, the village of hempstead has I think a population of roughly 75000 and is very urban

I was somewhat taken aback by the concern over training. Since when is training a bad thing? The safety and efficiency which is gained by this kind of approach toward training is real, and frankly speaking, every firefighter should recognize that. I would imagine that the City takes into account the companies it takes off-line for training by reallocating resources for cover purposes. Training is the last thing that should be cut, and FDNY's commitment to training should be applauded, not derided.

Training is not a bad thing, taking 15-20 companies OOS everday for 4 to 5 hours to watch the same video at the rock and play with the same hi rise nozzle or blanket (which I feel like I do every 2-3 weeks)

is what guys are complaining about. There are hundreds of hours lost everyweek where first due companies are OOS in their areas making life dangerous for civilians and FF's alike. Nobody is complaining about training, In my house we take the iniative to train on our own all the time. Our lives literally depend on it and frankly we take training very seriously. Most other houses are the same.

What a shame...may he rest in peace. The article sys he was wearing his fire department uniform and the guy shot him because he thought he was a cop.

I dont know what St Louis wears as a uniform, but I have seen a dangerous trend from the west coast where they make firefighter work duties look almost like cop uniforms. Pressed navy pants, navy button up shirts complete with badge. In this day and age when we are diversifying what a FF job entails (EMS) maybe we should get away from these PD like uniforms.