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Well look at this. I hope that all the Monday morning quarterbacks and TV experts who buried this department last year read this article. Maybe we should revisit some of the posts and opinions. Let this be a lesson to all you thermal imaging people, IF YOU WEREN'T THERE AND DON'T KNOW ALL THE FACTS you might be better served by keeping your opinions to yourself.

I have a better idea, how about nobody volunteer and then the departments have to HIRE people. Then everbody gets the job. There is no way that the departments could handle the sudden drop off of firefighters, so they would be forced to throw out all standards, testing and physical requirements. If you have more people who want the job then you have positions, then make an announcement that on Tuesday we're going to hire fireghters, and then hire the first 50 or 100 people who come to the door.

Hey Rescue 3, got a little to much time on your hands? Who cares what they do with their apparatus. I didn't realize that fire departments had to explain their actions to you before buying equipment. who are you to tell them where to place apparatus?

Who's Monday morning quarterbacking? I also said that it dosn't mean anyone did anything wrong, it's just the way it is sometimes. The four lines in operation came from you as did the 20 minutes before you lost water time frame.

Four hand lines in operation for 15 to 20 minutes before hydrant blew out and you think the next 20 minutes is when you lost the house? The house was long gone by then. If that fire was set, and you had four lines in operation and didn't get it out, then you had no chance of saving it either way. Sometimes they just go out when they burn out. It dosn't mean anybody did anything wrong it's just the way it is.

If your dispatched to a report of a structure fire there are one of only two reports that the first arriving unit should give. Ladder X is on location (10-84), investigating, or Ladder X is on location ( 10- 84) we have a working fire ( 10- 75). All of the other stuff is just people who like to hear themselves talk. If you have a 10 story apartment house you could have three floors of fire in he rear that you can't see from the front what happens if you say nothing showing? Another report thats often given is workers on the scene, so what, how many times have those workers, plumbers, painters actually been the one who caused the fire by soldering or burning paint off. Don't assume it's nothing until you know it's nothing.

Hey PFDSNAPSHOT- I bet you think that OJ was innocent too. This POS small time actor was a partner in a crime where a cop was killed, what's to think about, he's guilty and deserves what ever he gets. Hopefully, a needle in the arm.

This forum should not be about individual firerighters, volunteer or paid. It should be about the service your DEPARTMENT provides. If your department can't put enough properly trained manpower on the scene, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year within 4-5 minutes then you have a problem. This is the problem no one wants to address. How often do you read in this web site a residential house fire takes 7 departments and 100 firefighters to extinguish. A chief arrives on the scene in three minutes but the first engine takes eight minutes and then you have to tone out for additional manpower. Which is better a properly trained paid, or volunteer firefighter, should not be the issue. Giving the citizens the fire protection they deserve is the issue.

Why would a paid ff be worried about a volunteer ff, the paid guy already has his job. I would think that it's the other was around the volly may be replaced some day by a paid dept. As for the unions being obsessed with the vollys I think that this is just the usual smoke screen thrown up by volunteer depts to keep their political clout.

I don't know if it's just " the paid guys" who are questioning the financial incentives. As a resident I would question at what point you should stop being considered a volunteer. If your getting financial compensation then your not volunteering. The training standards and physical requirements then come into play. Not to mention response times and officer qualifications. Some of the budgets out there are higher for a volly dept then they are for the combo depts. in Westchester.

Life isn't fair. 25000 ( all of whom want the job ) people take the REAL test for the FDNY and about 2500 get hired. Don't feel sorry for a few who try and sneak in trough the back door and get disapointed because their" promotions" are held up for a couple of months. If you can't pass the regular test then maybe you dont deserve the job.

Sure we can handle it. As long it's on a Saturday morning at 10 AM, when everyones around. Other then that I'm not so sure.

Watt dew hue mean. Eye have never sceen any spelling ore grammer errors on n e of theez post.

Last week we were talking about how many gazillion dollars we were saving the taxpayers because 75% of us the were volunteer. This week it's we're not paid enough. Why should we be expected to train, risk our lives and suffer long term health problems and the guy who cuts the grass in the town park makes 50K a year. As long as there are people willing to do this job for nothing we will never be paid what we are worth.

Homer J- Once again I ask, Do you know what the first in companies found, and how they did their investigation? And I'm not talking about reading about it some newspaper article. If you don't know then you shouldn't be passing judgement.

To Homer J. You feel that " it's quite apparent that basic firefighting skills and techniques were lacking" and " that it was a massive screw up plain and simple". These are some pretty strong statements to make. How exactly did you come to those conclusions? Do you know what conditions the first arriving companies found? Do you know how they did their investigation? Just because a thermal imaging camera was not used does not mean that they did not do a proper investigation. A thermal imaging camera is a tool, not an end all solution. There are certain things in a house that give off heat during normal operation, electric motors, light ballasts, hot water pipes inside walls to name a few. If there are no signs of fire or smoke odor what do you suggest, open every wall, turn off every electric appliance. How many times do we respond to an odor of smoke in a house ony to determine the odor came from a neighbors fire place or wood burning stove and there was no problem in the house where the call originated. I dont know how the Teaneck FD did their investigation, and neither do you. I can only assume that your lack of experiance and information led you to make these unfortunate statements. And as for the checking of the smoke detectors, how do you know that they weren't checked.

Don't monday morning quarterback this call. If you spend a 1/2 hour looking for something and you don't find any odor or smoke how long are you required stay. If they( the FD ) smelled something burning and left then that's a different story, but that wasn't the case. Check the smoke detctors to make sure that they are working and tell the residents if they smell anything to call us back. Nobody likes leaving without finding a cause, but sometimes that's what you have to do.

This topic started out as taking apparatus to a parade and is now a discussion of is there enough manpower during the day. I don't know how we got here, but as long as we are, I would like to know. Can your department put enough properly trained firefighters and officers on the scene in the time set by the NFPA as the accepted standard 24 hours a day 365 days a year. If you can't do that then going to a parade and and keeping your fingers crossed that every thing will work out is just wrong. The public and expects, and is entitled to proper fire protection ALL the time, not just at night or on weekends.

I'm not saying that the chief's shouldn't go to the parade. I'm saying that not ALL of the chiefs should go to the parade or out of town at the same time. Most depts have three chiefs, one of them can miss a parade and stay in the district. And if a captain or lieutenant can run the department then why do you need three chief's. When you take the position of chief your main job is to protect the firefighters and citizens of your district, not march in a parade. My Post has nothing to do with being a fan of parades. I love parades.

What's so hard to grasp about this issue. If the rig is out of service, it's out of service. If the manpower at the parade and the rig are so importent then they shouldn't be out of town in the first place.Our first priority is not getting a slap on the back and a few cheers, it's protecting the public. And as far as the Chief's go most dept's have more then one Chief so they should never all be out of town or at a parade at the same time.

Am I the only one who thinks that the FDNY brass picked the wrong time and place to lay down the law. The St Patricks Day Parade. With morale at it's lowest point and pay at an embarassing level don't you think they should be more focused on other things, like why their members have to jump out of fifth floor windows. If you have to tighten things up there are other ways to do it.

Is there any truth to the rumor going around that Greenville FD is doing some serious training with Yonkers FD.

It sounds to me like they made a good stop, it dosen't take long for a little fire to turn into a big fire, especially in an attic area.

Does anyone know if there was a fire in Greenburgh last night. I thought I heard Greenville and Hartsdale operating at something.

How about L-48 & E- 94 in Hunts Point, Bronx, NY