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Huh? I think you misread my post. I'm agreeing with you that getting the heat off the tank was a good idea.

My comments about the swingset were a joke.

Sory it seemed like you making a joke of it.

Just curious, but it was the relief valve that was broken off? Since these are under the dome, which is usually above grade, how did the backhoe operator manage to hit that?

After removing the dome to get a better look we found the relief valve looked intact so we realized it could have been craked or one of the other points on top of the tank head could have been the leak. The relief valves are one of the top causes of major leakes since people forget or over look the dome of an underground tank and run it over. It dose not take much to snap the valve off if u hit or crush the dome.

Sorry Ryan I didn't realize you were there, my bad, so props to you as well.

No prob mark I was just busting on you.

I see. Removing the dome was a good idea. Did you have a handline ready for the swingset? Did you perform a primary search of the swingset?

U have a problem with the decion that's fine. Being smart about shows me I would trust your judgment.

Chief I believe the angle of the photo makes it appear like they are within a few feet of the flames. I was not on the scene but from what I was told and it is supported by the picture #6 (right after the pictures of the apparatus). The two firefighters used a 10' pike pole with a protective handline in place to pull the damaged dome cover off the broken relief valve thus allowing the flame to be vertical and unimpeded, note the damaged dome cover in the foreground as well. All the other pictures show the flames horizontal and close the ground. There is no way with County Car 16 on the scene that he would have allowed this to happen if it could not have been done safely.

Note as well, the two firefighter as chance would have it just attended the propane class at the NYS Fire Academy three weeks ago, props to JHK Firefighter John Busa and Wassaic Captain Kenny Elliott.

Thanks mark. I see no love for the third guy there helping with the tatical plan. For the other guys question they were close but in reality it was the best course we saw at the time. The tank being under ground and if not for the dome lid that was keeping the flames on top of the tank there would be less heat transfe. But with everything know ur options before commiting man power to a risky task and know your man powers abilitys as mark said 5 of us went up to a propane emergency class within the last few months so we decided it would be best to get a better look at what we were dealing with before making a plan of action. But word of warning every situation is different make sure some is there to consult on the best course of action with the problem we even had a propane worker come in to help with our course of action.

If You want to hit up dova sta. one at noon I can shoot down from work and show you around on luch, plus I can work on finding someone to take you around sta 2 if you want then you can swing up the hill to UVFD 2 and so on make a circle. You are looking at augest 5 correct.

Ryan look out now I just got my new Canon XSI camera, pictures should get better.

Nice I hope I make a few here and there.

See you can always learn something, you were there?????

You were pobably there when i left on 13 to go check out an electrical socket smoking around the corner or somthing. But yes i was there inside working with the famous Busa.

Well said Mark!

Please keep the Sartori's, their family, and JHK in your thoughts.

Thanks To everyone out there I know i have a big family that is supporting me right now.

Bahhhhhhhhhhhh...........................

Never send a quint to due a Tower Ladder's job!

It works like UVFD's Garage Fire first on scene and it got the job done quick. lol that was after my first live burn day for FF1, I am a Truckie at heart but that day I was a nozzleman. Dan thats why dova's Truck Works so well we have multi function FF's as well as a multifunction Truck k!

Hey and Mark I guess I did learn somthing at Dave Walsh's class on the changing fire service I didn't make any pics this time.

Dan thanks for the first hand account of the roof task. I just don't understand when these type of massive homes are built or renovated (I was told this was an old cow barn?) why in the world would you not sprinkler the building, makes no sense.

Thats the funny thing Mark there was a residential sprinkler system in the house. From what I understand it was activated but I would venture to guess the massive fire load above was to much for the design of the system. Plus sprinkles inside wouldn't have helped to much the fire was in the roof and burnd down into the structure.

It Was a very well put together drill alot of fun and informative. Thank you to mark and the chief of wassaic for the invite and thank you to the instructor for a well orginized calss that I took alot from and so did the guys that came with me. As always its great to be able to go play with our neighbors and learn diffent ways of getting the best end result out of the same goal.

Easy there Chief.

Hey Mark where's my Trailer the roof is true pitch no tin there. I do remember a few years ago right next door the recently refaced trailer almost burned to the ground but the fast actions of a fire extingusher used by a blue crew member and quick response of the boys from dover stopped the trash fire from turning into a full blow trailer fire.

My first EMT class....1992

Dan is that Bill Steinberg in the pic wow thats old hahaha he was my EMT instructor last year.

I deff agree that somone from a m/a department should not go to work without some sort of accountibility. As Mark stated he comes to our calls alot and I try and go to his departments calls when I can. As he stated permision from chiefs is key i belive before any calls like this are run, if its in our case where our own departmen might not actually be called m/a. As far as calls that the company is called to the scene for m/a i belive if at all posible you should have to report to your officer and or apperatus o/s. As with everything thier are cercumstances that would change that practice i.e. you live closer to the call your going to then your department in that case you should report to an officer of thier department and go to work when given a task. I know and Mark can agree man power issuse come into play so when it comes down to it if you play by the rules, stay safe, and are there to help most of your m/a departments welcome the help.

Hey Dan we just ran into this problem not to long ago remember the cats. JHK found 2 kittens under the last trailer fire we had they were strays living under the unocupied trailer. Our Cheif told a few of the rescue members to take the Chiefs car to a vets to get them checked out. They are doing fine last I checked adopted by some of our members.

Photo credit to Pat from JHK.

To all those who PMed me for the copy of the e-mail with the .PPT, please check your e-mails, I sent it to all who PMed me. If you received it, good, if not, please PM me back, and I will attempt to send it again!!

I am glad to see my old club growing up!!!

The year of the inception of the DCC Fire Science Club, I was the Vice President for its first semester, and the 2nd and 3rd Semesters of its existence, I was the President. Couldn't be happier to see it taking off in such a positive direction!! Bravo guys!!!!

I first off want to say great job by the Fire Science crew I know how hard it is to get this type of thing off the ground. It was deffinatly a great effort by them to show somthing that might work in some cases but they also showed it dose not work in all. I don't know mabey cuz i had to miss everything after the burn my only input is I belive that it was not emphasized enough it needed to be deployed in the incipent stage before the room vents. I know some of the people around watching the demo were not impressed for the simple reason they didn't understand. I am almost 100% sure that this test would have worked if they deployed the device just after PVFD took the D side window.

Hey xfirefighter484x I am still drawing a blank about who you are but now I now I was in school with u and in the club with you. Send me an e-mail or somthing with who you are please.

i doubt all depts can afford to send all ff 's for a stress test,thats not an inexpensive item to be adding onto a phsical

I have to agree with this its not cheap at all. But on the other hand it depends on the case if you get a good pysical you can catch alot of the problems early without the stress test. If somone needs the stress test due to history or somthing caught in the regular pysical then the department should pick it up. I know for the longest time my department has been doing fairly decent pysicals in the vollie spectrum and many people have had problems caught and then addresed now they are able to keep fighting fire and know somthing that might not have been caught otherwise.

Ha Ha Ryan; the x man is a mystery man

If I am correct I probably had classes with him.

Haha, Ryan looks so thrilled!!

Please pass on to John, I don't think that is NFPA rated!!

Who is this? I am sure I know u but idk who it is.

Of course Ryan is thrilled - he got to work with me.

And Busa....he makes the rules....YOU tell him!

I still wish u got me with the head tillted I think I would have looked more thrilled. yea I am pretty sure if he could have he would have wore that cow boy hat inside.