mfc2257

Date: 7-27-04

Time: 1321hrs

Location: 96 Dale Ave. Cross - Linden & Pine Ave.'s

Units: OFD + R-36 (Millwood Cascade) E-119 (Croton FAST)

Description: Structure Fire

Frequency: 46.26 + Nextel iPage

Writer: MFC2257 (Millwood Capt. 2254)

Additional FYI

Millwood E-247 (One of the initial units called) E-248 and MA-10 all have foam pumps.

E-247 - 1000gpm Hale Class A CAFS Class B

E-248 - 1500gpm Hale Class A no CAFS Class B

MA-10 - 750gpm Hale Class B

E-245, T-15 have traditional foam nozzles with eductors to drop into 5 gal pails of foam.

All together we can run 8 pre piped foam lines and 3 traditional bucket eductors setups.

At one point I believe only the airport had more foam capability. Not sure now with foam trailers in service.

I ran in Southern PA (on the Emmitsburg MD border) during college and spent a decent amout of time in PG county. The volley/career system is great. Some stations (33, 34 etc) are all volley. Others are mixed (Station 12) others are all career. What it comes down to is that the level of training, motivation and the amount of action that these guys catch is in a totally different league than we are. Westchester county (both from 60 Control's standpoint AND that of the individual departments) could stand to learn a lot from the Volleys down around the DC / Balitmore metro area. Other places with GREAT systems include Montgomery County MD and Anne Arundel County MD.

Well... If height of apparatus isn't a problem, and the MPO is capable and willing to back into the scene, the rear mount allows you to put the most "stick" on the building. HOWEVER, most drivers of rear mounts don't take the time to consider how much length they are losing by pulling in forwards and often times (especially at residential fires) they leave the truck near useless for performing roof operations.

With a mid mount, you can pull in forwards and you only lose the distance from the turntable over the roof of the cab. In addition, if it is some form of a Quint, it keeps the turn table and the pump panel closer to each other with helps with communicatoin b/t the pump operator and aerial operator.

If you are a volunteer dept. and there are enough people to staff the engine, and the truck has a driver, let the truck roll out the door first driver only.... Staff the engine and fill the truck at the scene later. This way the truck gets its proper spot to set up and the engine gets to go to work right away. SOP's that one goes before the other are great, but when the tones drop and some days we have 4 people on the first rig and others we are bumping people off because it seems like the whole department made the first rig the SOP needs to be flexable. We should always strive to have the truck in front of the building. If we don't have career staffing to have a full engine follow a full truck down the road then we have to make it work based on each individual response with the SOP to help guide us not handcuff us to something that might not work one day versus the next.

Anyone know who had the portable pump in the stream just north of the barn. Was that a killer trash pump OR a real portable fire pump. If so what are the spec's on it.

Bedford Center Road just west of the I-684 overpass.

BH E-199 supply from 4 drop tanks.

Tankers 1, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9, 14, 15 on location as well.

Now that the Old E-248 has successfully changed hands to the Witts Springs, AR F.D., It is time to announce that the New E-248 has arrived and is now in service running out of Millwood Station 2. It's a 2004 Sparten/Sutphen 1500gpm/755gal 6man custom pumper with an AMPs Hydraulic generator, Class A/B Foam, 1250ft of 5in (maybe more to be added soon), a Lucas combi tool, and a 475hp Detroit 60 Series. Eventually this truck will rotate with E-247 (it's fraternal twin) between Station 1 and 2, and will carry our F.A.S.T equipment when responding out of Station 1. Thank you to The Truck Committee for you efforts over the past two years!

http://www.millwoodfire.org/images/New248-...inal/index.html

Put the engine on the street first. If the rescue arrives first they may not be able to extricate before the fire overcomes the pt.

Chris... Are you sure of the accuracy of that photo with the Sutphen. I don't doubt that is was a FDNY piece, but the Ladder 14 that was purchased in the 1980's was a LaFrance / LTI 100ft tower quint. See the link below of it operating in 1996 in Midtown.

http://www.nyfd.com/manhattan_ladders/ladder_14.html

MA-10 Loves to be ridden hard and hung up wet.

As far as ALF Tower Quints in service, I belive Truck 14 was in service somewhere in lower Mid-Town as recently as 1999.

They were rear mount 100 footers with the bucket hanging out over the cab which was a lo-pro late model Century Cab look.

http://www.nyfd.com/manhattan_ladders/ladder_14.html

Plenty of Chassis will work but to be honest, the Ford Super Duty (F-250-F550) have long proven to be the most popular. The new 6.0 Liter Powerstroke is the best diesel engine in the class as far as power and fuel economy goes. There is nothing wrong with Chevy's and Dodges but the Fords seem to have the best total package. Chevy's interiors are more comfortable and the Duramax is a quieter motor. I rarely see Ram's in emergency service. One note on the Fords though... They're rock solid, HOWEVER the automatic transmissions that came with the old 7.4L Powerstoke were prone to failing if they became overheated. If you buy a used Ford have the tranny looked at with a fine toothed comb and if you are going to use it to plow or tow, I suggest a larger tranny cooler and a larger finned aluminum tranny pan to add more fluid and help cool more. Also add a tranny temp gauge. Anything more than 220degres for 5 or so minutes and you're getting into trouble.

All depends on how they are built. A lot of people classify a utility with a small pump or a brush truck as a Mini Attack when they aren't.

In 1990 Millwood replaced the old MA-10/E-246/R-36 with two rigs. A Ford L9000 Rescue and a F350 MiniAttack. MA-10 is truly a mini engine. It has a 750gpm (yes 750 not 250 or 300) single stage (that will actually do close to 1000gpm with a good source) and a pre-piped "B" foam line, 1000 ft. of 4in, 3 pre connects, a 16foot combi ladder, winch, chain saw, Indian tanks, several hundred feet of forrestry hose, full complement of extinguishers, adaptors, rakes shovels, rescue rope etc, etc, etc. Truly a mini engine. It was designed to be a font line pumper for gated driveways that a class "A" pumper cant get into, car fires and brush fires. 4wd makes it great to run first due in a snow storm.

NO WAY... Our old E-246 I mean MA-10 I mean R-36 .... I can't believe that this thing is still on the street. Hopefully they converted it to a diesel it was a gas fired pig.

Breakfast - Rockys in Millwood OR my 1 pound bacon & eggs

Lunch - Anthony's in Mamaroneck, Walters Dogs in Larchmont, the Pizza place (don't know its name) next to Bed Bath & Beyond on Central Ave. in Yonkers

Dinner - Monday - Wednesday anything I'm makin'

Thursday Peabodys for a Steak & Cheese or a "staff special"

Friday - Saturday Via del Sol in Kisco or Long Ridge Tavern on Pound Ridge/Stamford border

Sunday - My Chili

Fast food is Micky D's but if Chic Fil 'A moved north of the Mason Dixon it would be top dog.

Road food... Crackerbarrell hands down.

Sorry... I was typing fast.... I meant Bedford Village that doesn't have a ladder... How could I forget that sweet lookin Seagrave Baker in B. Hills. ..... My point was to say that there is a good system in place for B. Village and Katonah because they have an ladder available to them from B. Hills.

The problem isn't that people are buying towers. It's who is buying a tower. Does Mt. Vernon need a tower.... Maybe I couldn't say as I'm not familiar with what they already have vs. their building exposure...

The problem is all the departments that bought towers because they "liked them" not because they need them. People percieve that they have a need without research. Such as "we have a shopping center or a school so we need a tower" WRONG. One facility (assuming it's not a 5000 acre industrial site or something like that) doesn't create the need for a tower. It's unfortunate that districts don't look at what surrounds them before they purchase. How many cascades does the county need. How many heavy rescues (not that many companies are really fully trained to act in the capacity of a heavy rescue either) do we need. How many towers... etc. Right now Mount Pleasant has 4 towers. Chappaqua just bought one. Sleepy Hollow's got one. So if you want a straight job..... the only way to get a 100 footer is to call Kisco Ossining or Briarcliff. Seems like a long way to call when there are 6 ladders available but none are straight sticks... I'm not singling out one Mt. Pleasant Dept... Just the general idea. There is too much identical equipment sitting side by side from town to town. I commend Katonah and Bedford Village for operating successfully without a ladder. I commend Mohegan for not owning a rescue. I commend Ossining for not putting a cascade one their rescue. I commend Buchanan for providing a unique service unit with the new Utility.

46.26 should be a dedicated (fire only no EMS unless it's a MVA or fire) dispatch channel with 6-8 county wide operations channel. When each apparatus responds they signal this on 46.26 and the dispatcher assigns them to the proper frequeny.

EMS should have a seperate dispatch and operations set of channels.

No more self or PD dispatch. We pay the county to do this for a reason.

I at that point would have no choice to assume that he is EDP and remove via force. The alternative is to go outside and tell his daughter that her pops didn't want to come out so you left him there. I don't think that her or her legal counsel are going to like it if you left him there with a bucket right out side the window.

I really think that 10 codes should be done away with in favor of plain english. The differences in the codes from PD to EMS to Fire and the additional codes that departments add for themselves and the fact that too many people don't know what they are makes it all very confusing for your average firefighter who doesn't drive and isn't an officer. I called back to a mutual aid rig the other day that they could go 10-8 and relay a 10-30 to 60control. Well needless to say, the operator only knew what 10-17, 19, 20 and 2 were. He called me at the station to ask what a 10-30 was.

Plain text for the FD works fine... Responding, on location, use caution, expedite, return when ready, working building fire, situation under control are very easy to understand and don't add a ton of time to on-air broadcasts... They also eliminate confusion when situations are tense and complicated.

As for narratives... They should be as simply worded and complete in every detail. This is the only to CYA in our lawsuit happy world.

This actually happened on a job when I was in college. Engine and Quint nose to tail enroute to working structure fire on a two lane main road (Like Rt. 100 between Yorktown & Somers) Car pulls over for Engine, doesn't see Quint and pulls back into lane and is sideswiped up drivers side. No injuries. Quint continues to call. Thiswas against policy. Asst. Chief was driving with full crew on board. He was suspended for 30days (nothing unfriendly or evil about it... that's just the policy). What should have happened....

Quint should have called fire dispatch and been replaced on the box. After PD arrives they can continue to the call. Without an official witness there is a ton of liability with leaving the scene. There really isn't any room for error here. You've got to stop. You're out of service at that point. If other rigs are approaching ask them to stop and pick up the crew, but the officer and driver need to stay with the rig. Also, a Chief if available to be freed up from the job should divert to the MVA for supervision. If possible a civilian witness should be asked to stay as well.

Residential fire - Straight stick... I prefer to make roof cuts and do other peaked roof operations off a straight job. You need on average aprox. 25 ft less clearance around the truck to set up a straight job making driveways etc. easier for the strait stick. Not many are made any more, but the mid mount strait stick is one of the best fits for a residential department.

Also just because you have one or two commercial structures in your district doesn't mean you need a tower especially if you have one as a mutual aid option.

Commercial fire - Tower ladder... There tends to be more on and off the aeriel device movement at a commercial fire. Also larger crews operate on the lid of a commercial structure. Towers are easier to get people onto and off of those large flat jobs,

MSM232 you make a good point about the problems with thread differences from one municipality to another, but it shouldn't be a limiting factor in lending apparatus. Briarcliff and Millwood have different threads, but we work together all the time. At the Kings college fire, E-247 successfully hit a Briarcliff hydrant and laid 900 feet of 5in to the building. We have adaptors. SO if someone had odd threads and needed to borrow a rig, you'd have to shop around for adaptors.

I'm with some of the others on this one... If a FD really wanted to lend a rig they easily could without incurring much or any risk at all through the use of a seperate insurance policy provided by the borrowing department.

The problem is that people tend to look for reasons NOT to lend when the request comes to them instead of finding a way to make it work.

Millwood Officers currently paged via nextel aprox 5-10 seconds after voice dispactch. It's great... No missing calls b/c your pager didn't go off. Can't tell you the amount of times I've been in dead Minitor areas where I've gotton the nextel page. Even if you don't have cell service if it's 2 minutes after dispatch when the cell gets service again, you get the call. You don't have that luxury with a minitor.... IF you miss the dispactch you're toast until they re-dispatch or you hear it randomly on a scanner.