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So I have been watching this thread for a couple of days and really don't like to Monday morning QB but can someone explain to me why you would stretch not one but two 2 1/2 in hand lines into a 1800 Sq Ft residential fire? There are 2 things that are most needed to make that choice of a hand line successful. The 2 critical factors were most likely not met here. They did not have the manpower nor the water to operate these hand lines. I would think that those lines would produce about 500 GPM combined. That would certainly not be my choice as the first due Engine company officer who is counting on a tanker shuttle. A couple of 1 3/4 or 2 in lines would be the right choice to start out with as they are a lot more maneuverable in the confined qtrs. of residential fires. Leave the 2 1/2's to commercial fires and depts. that have the manpower to move them unless you are making a giant circle with one and sitting on the front lawn with it. I won't talk about the lack of exposures at the fire which would negate the need for 7 Engine companies and a tower ladder that most likely never made it up the driveway and would have better served its community by staying in qtrs. So I will end this session for all you Engine company officers out there to refresh upon. ( paid or volley )

There are several fire flow formulas in use today, but for the sake of space, we’ll only touch on two: the National Fire Academy (NFA) formula and the Iowa Rate of Flow. Each has pros and cons.

The NFA formula is based on offensive interior operations where less than 50 percent of the building is involved. The formula is:

Needed fire flow = [(length x width) ÷ 3] x percent of involvement

Example: For a 30' x 50' building that’s 25 percent involved, the flow would be 30 x 50 = 1,500 square feet, divided by 3 = 500 x 0.25 = 125 gpm.

Based on that required fire flow, one handline pumped at the correct pressure should be able to produce the required gpm.

The Iowa Rate of Flow is based on work performed by Keith Royer and Bill Nelson while they were working for Iowa State University’s fire training program. While studying the effects of fog streams on interior fires, the pair demonstrated that all you need to do is put the right amount of water in the right place for the fire to go out—something that’s often overlooked by the modern fire service.

The Iowa formula is:

Required volume = (length x width x height) ÷ 100

Example: The same 30' x 50' building used in the first example is 10 feet high. 30 x 50 x 10 = 15,000, divided by 100 = 150 gpm.

The Iowa formula is based on science, while the NFA formula is based more on information gained from experienced fire officers from around the country. The Iowa formula is also based on a 30-second application rate, which is more applicable to today’s fireground, where application rates should be based on gallons per second, not gallons per minute.

For someone not liking the monday morning quarterbacking, Sure seems thats exactly what your doing here questioning the decisions of the set pre plans, as well from the I.C who requested those companies there for man power. As well the tower ladder there was the original fast team until put to work.

You require a CDL if you drive any vehicle with air brakes, a straight truck over 26,000 GVWR which requires a class B as well you can tow up to 10,000 pounds with that. Any vehicle over 26,000 GVWR towing over 10,000 requires a class A CDL. If your truck is under 26,000 you can tow over 10,000 as long as it doesn't go over 26,000 combined truck / trailer. Anything higher requires a class A now. So in your case you are fine without one. Hope that clarifys

Bedford Hills Fire: 428

I passed by their HQ yesterday and it was in there. I couldn't tell what happened to it.

It was down at Detroit - Alison in Lodi,NJ having work done

Would you be able to post the link to the exam schedules

Anybody know around the time this test is going to be held?

Ahh this is where i can be of assistace. I own a 2010 terrain fully loaded awd jus without the in dash navigation. its actually a really nice truck gets good gas milage, drives well, and is pretty roomie inside of it. If i can later ill try and post a picture of mine so you can look at how it looks i did a few things to it and have some lights installed as well. But otherwise id recommend it to you as a family vehicle. ill answer any questions

Very nice truck! I like it alot. Hope it serves your department well for many years!

With the weight factor from the ambulance body itself plus equipment, crew, etc... the diesel will give you more power and torque with less stress. diesel is the way to go plain and simple

hahah some people just honestly dont use there heads at all and have no patience

Looks great cant wait to see it in person...looks freaking huge, but the hose bed looks tiny? Anyone from the hills know how many feet of hose and of what type are going to be carried?

Also, will this replace 198 as first due?

198 to respond first due out of water district, 199 first due in water district

Interesting concept using the "ghost" lettering. I like it.

I like it as well, Definetly a fan of the ghost lettering. What kind of lightbar is in the top part of the grill?

Ummmm, Sutphen does not make front mounted buckets (if you mean rear mounted aerial devices). The only make mid-ship mounted aerial ladders and tower ladders. Please check your information before you post something and make it sound like you don't know what your talking about. Not mocking you, just trying to make a point about geting the right information before you post.

Sorry, Dont no the whole cold hearted facts of each fire apparatus producer, im just goin by word of mouth that i hear around town, figure id share

Not fully sure on the full specs but Im pretty sure its another sutphen with a front mounted bucket

Very nice best of luck, to bad its not a duramaxx!

Bedford Hills Fire: 323 total runs.. No EMS

We just got them in the rigs and chief cars in bedford hills. They arent set up yet and i dont no much about them but if you no any of the current officers contact them.

We just got them in the rigs and chief cars in bedford hills. They arent set up yet and i dont no much about them but if you no any of the current officers contact them.

That Old FDMV Snorkel 1 was a beast. I remember that the territ water stream coming out of that platform was very powerful. Although I understand that the Old Snorkey was somewhat difficult to drive in the narrow streets of Mount Vernon, it was an effective piece of apparatus during its service time in the FDMV

I thought there were only 3 snorkels in westchester county and bedford hills had snorkel 1 and i thought mt. vernon was snorkel 2 and verplank was snorkel 3. Can someone correct me if im wrong and fill me in.