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  1. Posted

    The sad part about this, besides a family being ripped apart by politician Russian roulette, is that its ok to put 3 guys on a garage truck to speed through the route and get done by 11:00 to go home and lets leave two guys on a fire truck and take that chance because garbage is more important than peoples lives. Don't be fooled either DPW workers make a good dollar as well. Where can government justify having more men on DPW trucks than fire trucks?

    The union president says that its against federal law to operate the way they are, has he called the overseeing agency to act on this. For that matter if it is illegal to operate this way, why is it done and how come nothing is done about it???

    I also read in another post that other departments operate like this or with less, how is that possible? Those communities listed or not poor communities either. Just doesn't make sense to me

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    Date:10/23/2012

    Time: 0840

    Location: 1057 Grant Ave

    Frequency: 46.06 33.96

    Units Operating: PMFD Eng 1, Eng 2, TL3; NRFD Eng 22 (Fast Team)

    Weather Conditions: Sunny

    Description Of Incident: Working Fire

    Reporters: Buff.boy

    0844 Units arriving on scene reporting level 1 alarm for fast team and recall.

    0946: 2361 reporting fire under control

    1028 Units clear

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    You are right. The only ones to benefit are the Pelhams. As a resident of Eng 3's first due area near the Town of Mamaroneck border, every time Eng 23 would go to Pelham my next due engine is either 25 or 21. Both are 8-10 minutes away depending on traffic/weather conditions. If the people want to save on taxes go after the Board of Education, not the fire service.

    If I'm not mistaken doesn't Eng 22 and l2 respond to nrfd mutual aid calls.

  5. Posted

    Date: 05/18/2012

    Time: 08:20am

    Location: 261 Eastland Ave

    Frequency: 46.06 Westchester Ops 4 Trunk 18

    Units Operating: PFD Eng 5, L 2, PMFD Eng 1 TL3

    Weather Conditions: Sunny 65

    Description Of Incident: Working Fire on Arrival

    Reporters: Buff.Boy

    08:13 Pelham Dispatched to auto alarm. Upon Arrival Confirmed working fire.

    08:20 Pelham Manor 1 & 1 to scene

    08:21 Alarm Level 1 upgrade 1 & 1 New Rochelle to scene, Mount Vernon 1 & 1 to scene 1 Eng Scarsdale and 1 Ladder Eastchester to cover

    08:35 Fire Knocked down checking for extension

    09:00 New Rochelle and Mount Vernon released and requesting C&O to scene

    10:50 All Units in service

    http://pelham.patch....ire-to-bathroom

    http://www.newsday.c...-1.3725856?qr=1

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    There are proper levels, but most depts. ignore the standards.

    Yes and no. The type/size of fire, size of the building, its construction, use and number/condition of occupants dictate the number of firefighters needed. a 2,000 sq ft house on fire is the same in a village as a city with the exception of how close exposures are and potential water supply issues (if not near hydrants).

    Their is also a distance issue. If the Fire Dept. covers 1 square mile it will need fewer ff's than 100 sq. miles. This is because you will need the minimum # of firefighters at one end of the district in minutes, while an incident at the other end will require the same, so bigger areas require more stations & more ff's. Density also plays into it, because the more people the more calls and it’s common to have fire fighters tied up on one call, when another comes in.

    The local community (too bad most do not understand what they have or what they should have). Also the insurance industry, by rating the dept and making the community pay more or less for insurance premiums.

    Liability is on the City, Village or Fire District if the FD has advised them of the shortage. If they have not been advised it is also on the fire chief.

    Court cases have been very minimal on this, but increasing.

    The only law requires if personnel go into a hazardous environment (like a fire) they a minimum of 2 interior certified firefighters to go inside, with 2 interior certified firefighters to stay outside (as a backup team), 1 pump operator and 1 Incident commander (to run the fire). That’s 6 regardless of the number of trucks.

    There are insurance standards that expect a minimum of 2 engines and 1 ladder or rescue (based on size of the building) and 1 chief, with a minimum of 4 on each of the 3 rigs (total 13) if they are coming from a manned station and 12 per rig (total 36) if coming from an un-manned station.

    Failure to meet this standard means every property in the district pays more in insurance premiums.

    If the FD is a city or village dept. Then it’s thru the mayor’s office (or some cases the city manager). In town FD's they are generally part of a fire district and you would need to go to the Board of Commissioners of the Fire District. For career ff's thru the union or the above. for volunteers the above (but its rare).

    NYS has much stricter requirements for career staffing than volunteers for training.

    Tradition. Outside of the north eastern US. most areas run some form of regional service without all the duplication.

    Thank you for responding Bneiches

    So in a nut shell department heads, towns, villages, cities ignore standards and get away with it???? Is that legal. Are these standards laws??

    How many fire fighters are then needed in a 1 square mile area or a 2 square mile area? Is that the guidance or is it the size of the houses and how many?

    Who advises the fire departments on the shorages? Again are these standards enforced by anyone?

    Does my insurance company rate the department or is there a system that is used??

    If liabilty is on the chief, what can happen to him/her if my house burns down due to a lack firefighters that respond in minutes as you stated?

    So you are saying that if there is a fire call a the department comes from a manned station 12 or 13 need to respond?? If yes, how in the world do fire departments only have 1 or 2 firefighters on the fire truck??

    Are there other types of hazardous enviorments that may exist that would require the 6 firefighters you say?

    My biggest question is then this, if there is a shortage of firefighters and these fire departments are respomding not according to these standards you say, why are the towns cities and villages laying them off???

    Who has the voice and say in this.

  9. Posted

    I have some questions What are proper staffing levels for fire departments? Is there any uniformity to this or is by department, town, village or city? Does the size of the town village or city dictate how many firefighters? Who enforces the staffing levels? If these levels are not met what is the liabilty? Who is the liabilty on? If there is a department with 2 fire trucks, how many firefighters are required by law? What law? As a resident, how do a address it, as a firefighter how is it addressed? Is there different rules for a volunteer fire department and a paid staff fire department or a mixed bag of both paid and volunteer depts? My last and final question, Why are there so many fire departments with so many chiefs, commisioners, chiefs cars etc? Thanks for your help and info in advance

  10. Posted

    VERY interesting info!! My question is how do they count the 6? I assume they aren't requiring this on the initial engine. But does Pelham not send the 6 on the initial BOX?

    Pelham is lucky if they send 4. For that matter Pelham Manor is lucky too if they send 4. They both run 3 per tour 1 officer and 2 FF's. Both departments have 16 guys total now that Pelham added 1. That leaves room for vacation and murphy days. I think Pelham runs with 2 on the engine and 1 on the ladder and I think Pelham Manor runs 1 on each engine and 1 on the tower ladder. Together they would meet the new criteria for ISO. Its just to bad that both Villages Boards are stubborn and worry about their egos and their "STATUS". The boards should know about the ISO change since its bin out for awhile. It will be interesting to see. Do more with nothing is so true for these brothers. Stay safe.

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    First of all, please stop yelling. It is commonly accepted that the use of all capital letters is considered SHOUTING. Please refrain from that in future posts.

    Second, while there is obscene duplicity of governments there are no towns within other towns or villages within other villages. Villages may exist within a town but there can only be one Town or City government. You can't have a village or town within a city either. Clear as mud yet?

    Sorry about that I was not yelling. I am new here and i did not know how to seperate my typing from the post. You are right and wrong, i think. I know that Larchmont has there own goverment,village of mamaroneck has there own and the town of Moamroneck has its own as well That is three goverments 2 villages and 1 town within the town of mamaroneck. Then you have the greenburghs. Then there is Pelham. You have Village of Pelham goverment village of pelham manor goverment then the town of pelham goverment . again 3 goverments 1 town I think the City of Rye has 1 and the Town of Rye has 1 then Port Chester and rye brook. All in Portchester.

  14. Posted

    the truth is the fact that emergency services is the cheapest part of the taxes that are paid. they are paid through the local goverments. call your local tax office and see what it is you will be suprised on how cheap it is. i think i pay more per month for lunch than i do in police and fire tax. That is another thing, we worry about having cell phones, cable tv, movie channels that we dont watch, the nice car. The average cell bill is $100.00 a month =$1200 year. Cable/phone/internet $150.0 per month = $1800 per year. That there is $3000 per year for entertainment, nothing else. It is OK for the average person to pay that without a blink of an I but when it comes to public safety people are crying because there taxes are increasing. What is more important LIFE SAFETY or HBO AND TEXTING?? Think twice when you watch that movie or send that text or answer the phone.

  15. Posted

    Can anyone tell what is going on here? What are they doing that we are not?

    All of the Counties that pay less have at least 1/2 of the amount of government than we pay for.

    THESE COUNTIES DO NOT HAVE PEOPLE WITH EGOS LIKE THIS COUNTY DOES. TOO MANY CHIEFS NOT ENOUGH INDIANS. EVERYONE WANTS TO LEAD AND NO ONE WANTS TO FOLLOW. YOU HAVE SMALL TOWN GOVERMENTS WHO ACUATLY LEADS THE COUNTY. THEN YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC WHO REALLY DOESN'T CARE ON WHAT THEY PAY IN TAXES. MOST PEOPLE USE THE ESCROW ACCOUNT TO PAY AND THEY PAY NO MIND TO THE CHECK THEY WRITE FOR THERE MORTGAGE. THEN THERE IS THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE VILLAGES WITHIN TOWNS THAT ARE WITHIN TOWNS THAT ARE WITHIN EVEN MORE TOWNS. EXAMPLE: RYE BROOK IS A SMALL VILLAGE WITHIN PORT CHESTER, CITY OF RYE IS PART OF PORT CHESTER, LARCHMONT IS A VILLAGE AND MAMARONECK IS A VILLAGE WITHIN THE TOWN OF MAMARONECK. PEOPLE IN RYE BROOK AND LARCHMONT FEEL THEY ARE BETTER THAN THE REST AND THEY DO NOT WANT TO GIVE THE "HIGHER ARCHY' OF A NAME UP. THEN YOU HAVE THE GREENBURGHS. EDGEMONT IS A NOTHING, JUST A NEIGHBORHOOD NAME AND THEY HAVE ALL THE POWER THEY WANT AND NEED TO HAVE. THEN YOU HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN NEW ROCHELLE THAT THINK THEY ARE SCARSDALE RESIDENTS BECAUSE THERE POST OFFICE IS JUST THAT SCARSDALE. IT JUST GOUES TO SHOW YOU THAT PEOPLE DO NOT CARE. JUST LOOK AT LOCAL ELECTIONS. THEY ARE LIKE 300 VOTES PER AREA BECAUSE NO ONE CARES. NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE. IT IS SIMPLE AS THAT. WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IS TOTAL REFORM AND RESTRUCTURE OF GOVERMENT STARTING FROM THE STATE. THE STATE IS THE ONE THAT SHOULD BE GETTING THIS GOING. THEY ARE THE ONES THAT GIVE MONEY TO THE LOCAL GOVERMENT AND SCHOOLS SO THEY COULD RUN. THE TAX PROBLEM IS NOT SO MUCH POLICE/FIRE/DPW/GOVERMENT IT IS SCHOOLS. TEACHERS AND PRINCIPALS AND EVERYONE ELSE IN THAT SYSTEM MAKES A TON OF MONEY. NOBODY WILL STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING BECAUSE THAT IS THEIR CHILDRENS EDUCATION. THAT IS WHY CITY DWELLERS MOVE TO THE BURBS. NOT FOR POLICE/FIRE/DPW. IT IS FOR THE SCHOOLS.