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Shoot!!! Missed another one.....

Like a big PUMPKIN.....better than a school bus.

Hey Andrew:

What's the estimated delivery date?

I grew up around Jim Brophy as he worked with my father for many years at the NTPD. Rest In Peace, Chief. You'll be missed.

Rest in Peace, Brothers. I am proud to have served with you.

Nice job Andrew. Looks just a little bigger than what you guys have down by the train station...

Anyone know how much Somers or Millwood's new Sutphen quints cost?

A horrible day for our brothers.....may the heroes who laid down their lives rest in peace.

This is typical, unfortunately, for a Bronx jury.....

I had the honor of working with Ron last summer at an extrication on Arch Hill. He and I spent over an hour in the car trying to disentangle the victim. His energy and focus were amazing. When we finally got the victim out, Ron shook my hand, gave me a big bear hug and said that it was good to have worked with me that night. He was truly a class act and will be missed....

Don't know if its been mentioned yet but I found this on LoHud today.

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City seeks candidates for firefighter exam

Candidates are being sought for the White Plains Fire Department. The city will conduct a written Civil Service test for firefighter candidates on June 27 and is now recruiting men and women. Candidates must register for the exam by March 26. The exam is open to Westchester County residents who are at least 17 1/2 years old on the date of the written exam. Firefighters in White Plains are paid between $50,941 and $79,895 per year. The Department of Public Safety will offer free training to help candidates prepare for the written exam. Application materials and announcements can be obtained at www.cityofwhiteplains.com or visiting the city Personnel Office at 255 Main St. between 9 a.m. and 5 p.m. on business days. For more information, call the Personnel Department at 914-422-1258.

As per a previous court ruling, preference will be given to White Plains residents.

For what it's worth, I spoke with the SHAC Captain and he assured me that they did not release any confidential patient information to the press. Patient information was released, as per SHAC and NYSDOH policy, to the mother of the patient (minor). All of the pertinent HIPPA paperwork was signed by the mother prior to the release of the PCR. The family of the patient has been in contact with the media.

I led this fine organization for many years (hence my screen name) prior to taking a command position with the FD and I must say that they are one of the most professional and dedicated volunteer organizations that I have ever had the privledge to work with.

How is the new Wheeled Coach holding up?

Sleepy Hollow had Engines 85, 86, TL38 2311, 2112, 2313, DC 2315, 2316, 73B1 standing by at Tarrytown PD (also was covering Sleepy Hollow Tarrytown and Irvington for a while). Standing by in Sleepy Hollow DC 2314, SHFD E-87, 1 engine from Pocantico Hills, 1 engine from Thronwood, L-41 from Ossining, TL from West Harrison.

The Sleepy Hollow units were not standing by at Tarrytown PD. They were the first-in mutual aid to the scene at 0430.

TL-38 and E-85 operated at Hackley until 1530. E-86 operated as the water-supply pumper (for the Tanker shuttle) at the Tarrytown Lakes until 1500.

And, what's wrong with that? What are you afraid of? Obviously, an incident like this is going to be discussed.

If you're 100% confident in your tatics and the way the incident was handled, then there is no need to get defensive and make comments like that. Some people are ignorant and or pot stirrers, there are always those who like to "monday morning quarterback", and some people honestly want to discuss the incident or share their OPINIONS or ask QUESTIONS. People discuss this incident, whether it be on this forum or not....and this forum allows you the avenue to get the facts out.

Seems like many people are afraid to post on here or don't post because they think they know it all and don't need objective and constructive conversation, or they do not want to share with others. Or, they want to sit back and whine about the posts on here without even every having made a post to contribute.

The good that can come from a thread like this is that people read and they learn what really happened from the people that were there. 

Not to get this thread off topic, but if you have issues with this site, please EMAIL me at EMTBravo@EMTBravo.com with your complaint and proposed resolution.

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Seth,

I agree with most of your points. We can all learn from the questions and answers that are constructively posted on here regularly after incidents like these, in particulr when the actual participants contribute.

You also answered your own question to me when you said, "Some people are ignorant and or pot stirrers, there are always those who like to "monday morning quarterback." As you can see by my member number, I have been here since the beginning and visit this site daily. In cases when things have gotten too testy or destructive, like the PD vs FD or Paid vs Volunteer arguements, you have shut down the thread. I agree with you whole heartedly on that, so no further proposed resolution to these problems is necessary.

And yes, if i wasn't 100% confident in our tactics, I would not have posted my original posting. And yes, "The good that can come from a thread like this is that people read and they learn what really happened from the people that were there."

On a side note, I hope you are feeling/doing better.

And to Chris192, I appreciate your last posting/response.

And to Truck 4, I think that I did a pretty good job at answering Chris' questions/concerns, but you and I may have to disagree on the urgency issue.

If you want additional details about the incident, feel free to reach out to me.

Questions -

Did the boats have on-duty local police officers on board or did they have off-duty law enforcement who were coincidentally FD members?

How did anyone confirm that the suspect was unarmed if he was in the water? 

Were the officers covering the rescue swimmers on boats or on land when they were holding the suspect "at gunpoint".  If they were on boats, have they trained in firearms use from a moving platform such as a boat?  If the suspect became combative and tried to drown the rescue swimmer(s), I suspect that it would have been difficult (at best) to shoot him from a moving boat in the dark while he's struggling with the good guys.

Before we say "great job", did anyone assess the urgency that required this type of aggressive rescue response for a wanted suspect?   Could a larger boat with a larger, trained law enforcement contingent been brought in to safely and effectively control the suspect?

Just thoughts - not a flame at any agency.  Let's say it's a hypothetical scenario and these are questions about it...

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1. The FD boats had on and off duty law enforcement personnel.

2. These law enforcement personnel have had advanced training/certification in water rescue, EMS, SWAT.

3. The suspect was sitting on an underwater ledge on the bridge support that kept the water at chest deep. He was able to raise his hands (after some convincing) in a compliant manner prior to the approach of the swimmers.

4. The "cover" officer was on a boat approximately 7 yards away from the suspect.

The "cover" officer has had advanced training on shooting from moving platforms as he is assigned to a special operations unit. The suspect was being illuminated by multiple searchlights and was highly visible the entire time. The cover officer and his backup on the second boat (15 yards from the shooter) were quite confident that an accurate shot could be taken. The suspect had a cement backdrop, coincidentally. The boat was fairly stationary and the river was fairly calm.

5. How about this for urgency...the guy just jumped off a bridge and has been swimming/sitting in 50 degree water for over 20 minutes. He, upon trauma assessment on the FD boat (and without violating HIPPA), had obvious sign of significant trauma. How long should he be left, untreated, in the water? More precisely, how long could he have survived in the water? There were no PD boats visible when he was removed from the water. The HEAT boat did appear at the Tarrytown Marina at the end of the incident. Constant contact was made via the IC with the law enforcement agencies involved, who as the "lead agencies" requested that each FD boat have a LEO on board. No order was given for the FD boats to wait for PD boats to respond.

6. The FD boats, based on my experience, have better response times than the PD boats when all are in "call-out" status, ie.. none are on patrol (like that night).

7. The FD boats, on average, have better staffing than the PD boats. FD boats normally respond with at least 4 personnel. Most agencies require the boat crew to be staffed with a minimum of 1 EMT and 2 water rescue technicians or divers, in addition to the boat driver/captain. As a law enforcement agent for 15 years now, having friends and acquaintances in other agencies, I am well aware that due to staffing level problems (of which I can sympathize), most law enforcement agencies only put two officers on their boats, on average....

Here is the bottom line...the suspect was not going to last a whole lot longer in the water due to injuries and hypothermia. He was adequately controlled by trained professionals who have had advanced training to handle situations like this (in general). He was efficiently and effectively removed from the water without incident.

All of the agencies involved worked well together that night....Fire, Police and EMS.

I do agree with the fact that in a perfect world, PD boats would have been on scene and handled the incident, but this is not a perfect world.

I may be biased due to the fact that I was the law enforcement agent on Sleepy Hollow's boat that night, but my opinions are based on 15 years of law enforcement experience, 12 years of Fire/EMS experience and some Navy time to boot....

So I will reiterate my comment, "Great job by all those involved."

And by the way, it was not my idea to place my original posting on this thread.

The Sleepy Hollow Chief asked me to do it. I guessed (correctly) that someone would be critical of our tactics, as happens too often on this site.

Marine Units from the Sleepy Hollow, Tarrytown and Irvington FDs were dispatched to a PD report of a jumper in the water. Sleepy Hollow deployed first, followed closely by Tarrytown. Upon arriving on scene, FD units were advised that the victim was in fact a suspect who had been pursued by PD ground and air units from NY and NJ (NJSP, NYSP+PAPD) onto the bridge. Sleepy Hollow and Tarrytown FD had law enforcement agents on board. The suspect was spotted clinging to a bridge support. After the law enforcement agent confirmed that the suspect was unarmed, Sleepy Hollow FD Water Rescue Swimmers entered the water and rescued the suspect (at gunpoint ). The suspect, now in custody on the Sleepy Hollow Marine Unit (Marine 7), was treated by Sleepy Hollow EMTs enroute to the Tarrytown Municipal Dock. The suspect was turned over to the "multiple" PD units and the Tarrytown VAC. Suspect was transported by Tarrytown VAC under police guard. Great job by all units involved!!!!

Sleepy Hollow TL38 sent in to relieve Bedford Hills TL57 at 0500 at the scene of the fatal fire. Sleepy Hollow Marine 27 relieved at 0430 and returned home. Great job by all of the public safety units on scene. Glad that we could help out.

Tarrytown Fireboat 5 and Sleepy Hollow Marine 7 were requested to respond to the listed loaction. Both units arrived on scene and stood by while PD negotiated with the suspect. Both units cleared after the suspect was taken into custody.

As a former VSP Trooper, I can tell you that we were required to do a vehicle inventory for any vehicle which was towed and stored. We were also able to do a search of the vehicle incident to the arrest (vehicle exception to the search warrant requirement). I am not sure what happened here, but I will tell you that the VSP is a well trained, hard-working agency.

It is a tragedy no matter what........

Two car PIAA at intersection of RT117 and RT448. Briarcliff and Pocantico Hills Fire. Sleepy Hollow VAC, Valhalla VAC and Transcare ALS. One BLS to the WMC, one extricated and ALS to WMC. Short story is that driver ran red light on 117 and took out car crossing 117 on 448. The 117 driver went into woods and was extricated.

I also just received word of the accident. Don't want to give the medic's name, but he was operating as 37M1 at the time. His Explorer was T-Boned, rolled and caught fire. He crawled out and was treated by 37M2. Last I heard, he was discharged from WMC with bumps and bruises. I did a few jobs with him on Sleepy's rigs over the last 24hrs. He's good people. He's a lucky guy to have walked away....

God Bless

I believe it was the caretakers house/shack at the Pumphouse (Pocantico Lake). Suspicious fire....someone tried to torch it last Thursday with a Molatov cocktail.