JM15

I think we're missing the point here. if the leaders of these departments mentioned didn't feel that the local PD often abused the use of Fire Police on a regular basis to direct traffic all over town, well after the emergency is over, probably sometimes when the rest of the FD hasn't even been called, then I don't think we would even be having this dicussion. The point the FD's are trying to make is that it's not their responsibility to manage traffic for the police. they're supposed to ASSIST the PD in controlling it, not have to control it totally because there's only 1 LEO on the scene. Major incidents, disasters, MCI's aside they shouldnt be out there for 10's of hours for every incident.
As for that truck they just bought, it will probably be used at the scene/ relatively close to the scene to protect the dept's firefighters and other misc. personnel at the scene as it's intended, instead of having guys spread out all over town managing the ripple effect traffic snarls caused by the scene. The feeling I'm getting from this statement is that they don't mean that that wont be doing any traffic contol at all, only that they will not leave what is normally the older population of the FD out on the road for hours on end after everyone else has gone home. Anyone else see my point?
Our dept. gives PD 2 hours to bring in the proper staffing to manage the traffic so we can be released, after a couple incidents and conflicts that was the final decision made. 2 hours after the emergency is over and the incident is no longer a FD action then it's up to PD to take over.

here are some steps that need addressing and some already have
determine what kind of elevator you are being called to work on you may only have a hydro, but does your mutual aid area have traction elevators?
do you have the keys to open all the doors you may come across?
where is the elevator stuck?
is it a true emergency ie medical call or just a stuck occupied elevator?
do you have an sop for lock out tag out? ANY elevator you are going to work on MUST have the power shut off before starting any evolution.This is probably the most important thing you have to do. with that said do you leave a member at the shut off, (in the old days we always took the fuses out and put them in our pockets), do you shut it off and lock it out so no one else can put it back on, or do you just assume because you shut it off that no one else is in the building answering the same call: IE: building maint, PD, elevator repairman who might turn it back on for whatever reason.
how many people are in the elevator? involves making contact with the occupants and possably calming them down BEFORE any attempt to open doors
where is the car in relation to the floor
is there a fall hazard into the shaft by ANYONE FD or OCCUPANT UPON REMOVAL
a little giant ladder/ closet ladder is standard on all our responses to help remove occupants
how good are you at getting the doors open practice makes perfect
AND PLAN B FOR THAT ONE IN A HUNDRED CALL WHERE NOTHING YOU PRACTICED WORKED
This is just a quick overview some steps were already mention in previous posts I am sure i left out something along the way

This might as well just be closed now, because the answers were not provided last time I highly doubt they willl be provided this time and its just going to set everyone off all over again.