Bottom of Da Hill

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  2. Posted

    Here's the BS of the problem....volunteer FF's tend to have significantly less training than our career counter parts. There are many reasons why we don't, such as a lack of time because most of us have full time jobs that require us to show up to earn a salary, or families that we can't leave behind over small incidents that otherwise wouldn't affect the most of us. It's a long list, but I don't have the time to waste to list you all the reasons. The matter of the fact is that vollies don't get enough training, for every reason. I would love to take more classes and be "Superman," but I realize that I have far more important things to do, like work!

    In a perfect world we would all be trained to the same level. Unfortunately, it's not possible and never will be. The scheme of life just doesn't allow it, but it will always allow that rift between vollie and career FF's.

    Now, I'm going to say something really mean, Bottom of Da Hill, and you're going to have to suck it up and take it like a man...You need to stop acting like you're tough sh!t. You're not. The brotherhood of the fire service is a tight knit community, and it's a small world. You just can't go around bashing every body. I speak from experience. I used to shoot my mouth off, too. But, I learned. Now it's your turn.

    Alright, back to the original post......I'm guessing you're looking for answers from the volunteer side?? This is a tough question, mainly because every department has their own rules and regulations about the issue. Heck, some departments DON"T have rules or training standards (I unfortunately know of some). Looking at it from a broad stand point, most volunteer departments say FF1 is the basis to become interior, and Fire Officer 1 is needed for company officers. I'm not going to quote my department's policies because I can't find the binder with the by-laws and SOP's, but I can guarantee you that specific classes are required and some point throughout your tenure (I will elaborate once I find the binder lol).

    Keep in mind that OFPC and NFPA have their suggestions/requirements, and most of that information is locatable through their respective websites and the wonderful world of Google. Your department may even have copies of the appropriate documents to read through, and your current officers should know where they are located in your fire house.

    I do like your question, and I will start looking for more information to help you come to an answer that you're looking for. PM me if I forget to repost.

    who did i bash? just my thoughts and never said i was a tough guy.but tired off the key board FF.s on this site that do bash volunteer or paid just to stir the BS abt training we in the fire service know what needs to be done times change and so doe.s training.but here in westchester its always the worst you dont have this in rockland or long island?in westchester its always paid VS volunteer and we all know it.they use this site to stir the pot the volunteers and paid we all have jobs to do..attack me all you want i have ben doing both for a long time.

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  4. Posted

    Listen I am not trying to start any conflict between Career Vs. Volunteer. I only ask because I am from Long Island where Volunteers make up the majority of the departments. I was just curious about working relationships and Standards.

    Has there every been a time in which a Volunteer company has assisted a Career Company and vice versa?

    just in westchester county.

  6. Posted

    There is not one civil service paid firefighter in Rockland county. So, the volunteer standard is all they have,

    Fact is, you go to a majority of the other states in the union, and all volunteers must be trained to the same level as career firefighters before they are allowed to ride on calls. Why is this? Because it makes sense. How can anyone possibly agree and promote less training for anyone who is responsible for the lives of others? Why should volunteers be allowed to respond with this minimal amount of training, but career personnel have an exorbitant amount?

    Simple example would be exploring a train accident on the MTA lines. How many volunteer departments who have MTA Lines run through them, require their firefighters to undergo MTA train safety if there is an accident on the tracks? How many departments require their firefighters to undergo mass casualty incident training, or mass hazmat decon training if another 9-11 happens and biochem or nuclear weapons are utilized and released into the general population in the city and commuters start to take the trains home prior to any transit ban placed into effect? Fact is, all career departments who sent their members to the academy, have received this training. I just found out the other day that FF1 no longer teaches how to operate a saw, or cut a roof. That's reserve for truck company class.

    Forget about the population and what level of service they are receiving. The real questions are why, should you as a firefighter, choose to be unknowingly exposed to risks that you cannot even comprehend until you go through training? And paralleling that, as someone who is responding to those types of incidents, you should be demanding that you get trained in how to respond to those emergencies so you know and understand the risks and what to do CORRECTLY during those incidents. What kind of message does that send when we except apathy from our ranks in regards to training? People should be striving to learn all they can about the fire service, not actively attempting to hamper others safety.

    i agree with you and training 100%.

  10. Posted

    Thst was my big issue from the get go. A 30 minute bottle which we all know doesnt mean 30 minutes is not fair for a guy to carry hose, drag a dummy, open a ceiling, force a door, set up a 2 section ladder, and carry a saw. Period.

    this is why we have engine co .ladder co. and rescue co.s who each have a job to do at a fire scene.

  11. Posted

    wow really!!! so I guess you have no problem being teamed up with someone who CANT do this and he/she is your interior partner.

    How did the instructors become the enemy in your mind?

    not a enemy in my mind i know you can do it no problem there.but i know a few that cant and dont even fight fires any more like its ben said here.im in favor of training and change and respect a man like your self who is still on the front lines just like my self.i have seen alot of changes in the new FFs after they have taken there training at the county and they keep going back for more its like they get hooked on it and thats GREAT.and they benefit as well as the dept.

  19. Posted

    Curious about something. Looking at the construction pics of Ossining's sharp looking new Spartan ERV pumper. There is a large "notch" in the top of the cab, the kind usually created to accommodate a rear mount ladder when the cab is raised roof. Is this going to be a quint of some sort? Body appears to be the normal size/style for a regular pumper, which makes me think not. And, light towers usually lay side to side, rather than front to back. Can anyone shed some light on this? Thanks in advance.

    Here's a link to the pics on Spartan ERV's website: http://www.spartanerv.com/delivery.aspx?id=55534

    nice rig.

  20. Posted

    Curious about something. Looking at the construction pics of Ossining's sharp looking new Spartan ERV pumper. There is a large "notch" in the top of the cab, the kind usually created to accommodate a rear mount ladder when the cab is raised roof. Is this going to be a quint of some sort? Body appears to be the normal size/style for a regular pumper, which makes me think not. And, light towers usually lay side to side, rather than front to back. Can anyone shed some light on this? Thanks in advance.

    Here's a link to the pics on Spartan ERV's website: http://www.spartanerv.com/delivery.aspx?id=55534

    for a light tower.

  23. Posted

    And where would this equipment and personnel be better used? Is there something wrong with trying upgrade equipment? Every department tries to take advantage of grants, I am sure yours as well. I believe rumors of a new truck and boat for your department from the Tappan Zee Bridge project are floating about. This is not a waste of tax dollars? WIth this new truck, will you have to build another new firehouse to house it?

    the dept.s that respond to tee zee bridge project should get the grants to upgrade there equipment after all they do respond to it.as for as where personnel be better used?how about the parkways and other area.s that you respond to.not against upgrade in the equipment and the grants you get you def need what you need to do your job and to be safe.

  24. Posted

    All members of the Special Response Team are trained to use ALL of the equipment that Grant's (read your tax dollars) have purchased. Its not like we purchased a Rescue, that has to put a piece of apparatus out of service to staff. As far as tax money goes, who do you think pays for all of our equipment? Did the Echo Bay project have money trees grown to aquire equipment and personel? Bottom of da Hill, as far as the County needed more pieces of equipment, don't you think the tax payers could do with a few less firehouses to pay for in Tarrytown?

    boosky to much equipment and wasted tax dollars and personel can be used else where.....you need what you need i agree but the toys now come on lets be honest really?

  25. Posted

    All members of the Special Response Team are trained to use ALL of the equipment that Grant's (read your tax dollars) have purchased. Its not like we purchased a Rescue, that has to put a piece of apparatus out of service to staff. As far as tax money goes, who do you think pays for all of our equipment? Did the Echo Bay project have money trees grown to aquire equipment and personel? Bottom of da Hill, as far as the County needed more pieces of equipment, don't you think the tax payers could do with a few less firehouses to pay for in Tarrytown?

    you need to ask the tax payers from tarrytown that.