RescueKujo

Guys-thanks for taking to time to post and keeping it civil. There were some great posts in the thread. This is something everyone will have to discuss, and maybe a new train of thought will need to be put into place.

Hmmm, renovate the bathroom, or buy a new toy and restore it.

Hmmm, where the hell am I gonna put it???

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Jimmy,

This would go great with Ken's ALF....

Out here, while our medics do have a long list of standing orders, they still have "base stations" to contact for reports and some higher level orders (certain meds, physician direction, pronouncement in the field etc.) and that is when they are notified.

On a separate note, 9 ERs have closed since I started in 1989 in San Diego County EMS. Things are tougher, and at 1 point County EMS created a policy that if all the ERs in a regional area were on "bypass" they started accepting patients in rotation. Now, that has changed that the ER should accept the patient if their primary care is at that hospital. And while doctors and others don't believe it, EMTs are governed by the same policy.

As CCR sang it best...And I wonder, still I wonder, who'll stop the train

It has always been my belief that the best person for the job should get it, regardless on ethnicity, gender, etc, etc. That said, I have seen too many people believe that due to their particular circumstances whatever they are attempting to achieve should be handed to them on the perverbial silver platter.

It goes back to military EOD school, listening to a minority spouting off that the classes are slanted to caucasians, due to all the reading required. I am tired of someone who doesn't get promoted pulled out "the card" and claiming discrimination due to whatever reason they pick. While I agree there has been discrimination in the past, I have seen a steady decline in the will of people to work for further gain. Again, they want it on a silver platter.

That's my take. as for furthering our profession among the masses, with the lack of service being felt by people anymore, I don't know. We all know, you don't make a whole lot of money doing these types of jobs, and that's what the incoming workforce wants. I'm at a loss and glad I'm not in Human Resources.

I need to apologize for the rambling of the initial post. Some understood it, some did not. I should not post immediately after arriving at work when the brain hasn't started functioning.

What I meant to ask, was Why is the Fire Service still doing interior attack on nonoccupied buildings? After the initial search, an all clear, the building is well involved and the insurance company is going to have to bulldoze it anyway. Is it really worth someone's life for something like this?

I guess I'm jumping the gun, I should wait until the report comes out. But it just floored me that 9 could be taken just like that in one moment. The video I saw looked like the building was a total loss, but I don't know at what point of the incident the video was shot.

Thank you for your patience and sharing your thoughts. I just wanted to get everyone's thought process going on this again.

Duane

Years ago, when I was still an active Firefighter (Volunteer), I listened to a frank discussion of tactics after Houston FD lost 3 firefighters. The Houston incident was a unoccupied McDonald's at 3 a.m. The discussion was at a conference, and was between Tom Brennan and Chief Brunacini. The question asked that started the discussion was "Why are we (The Fire Service) doing interior attack on buildings that are non occupied and a bulldozer will tear down in 24-48 hours away?

My question is, is the Fire Service still doing this and if so, why? Firefighter's lives are not worth an insured buildings. Am I wrong?

Thanks for your replies in advance.

News reports here (West Coast 11 P.M.) 2 dead several still missing...

Prayers and condolences for those lost and missing.

Two off-duty Pasadena firefighters were killed in a

private plane crash in Mexico, department officials announced Friday.

Kenneth Soltis, 47, from La Verne, and Agua Dulce resident John Kiesow,

49, who was piloting the aircraft, were killed Thursday afternoon, said

Pasadena Fire Department spokeswoman Lisa Derderian.

The plane went down near a small town in Mexico, she said, but could

not be more specific about the location or other details of the crash.

Prayers and condolences to the family, friends and the Pasadena Fire Department family.

In the end on a personal note - this just makes me less likely to go see LA 

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Monty, there are many nice areas of LA County. Just where this hospital is (Central LA) is where you need to stay away from.

This article and others like it are really starting to piss me off. It only shows the caller's perspective that 9-1-1 failed the patient. Here are a few facts...

1) Izzy has it correct. It is a Federal Cobra violation to transport a patient from one hospital to another without proper coordination, discharge and acceptance by the receiving hospital. So for any provider (9-1-1 or private, and in LA County most private companies are the transport agency, as LA County only has non transport squads) to remove this patient would set them up for a large fine.

2) If in LA County and you are ill or injured, and you want to survive, DO NOT allow yourself or your family to be transported to USC/Drew Med Center or Martin Luther King, Jr/Harbor. There have been major patient care issues at both, with both having been threatened with closure due to those facts. In fact, on TV tonight, one LA County Board of Supervisors member stated he had seen the hospital security tape, and how the hospital handled this patient verges on criminal.

3) The 2nd dispatcher on the tape (you can listen at KTLA.com) should be punished. No matter what they say to you, you do not get rude.

The dispatchers/calltakers are getting the blame for this, and the Media isn't researching the issue thoroughly (shock ). Take a look at the regulations we must follow, then maybe they'll see the reasons why the decisions were made and the actions taken or not.

On Sunday, June 10th, CHP Officer Robert F. Dickey of the Winterhaven's CHP office was killed when his patrol car rolled while driving on westbound I8 west of Winterhaven. It appears that a tire on the car's left side blew, causing the rollover.

Officer Dickey was conscious and speaking at the scene. After being extricated, he was flown to Yuma Regional Medical Center, where he later died.

Here is a link to the story from The Yuma Sun. As you can see in the photo accompanying the article, the officer's patrol car is basically unrecognizable.

Yuma Sun Article

Thoughts and prayers go out to his family, his fellow officers, and the CHP.

Did these people not learn from the Baltimore training death?? And just think, people will think all firefighters act like this due to this video.

maybe this is what the industry needs to replace the Fords, or to get Ford and International to get there ducks in a row.

Wow!! I like diversity in paint schemes, but when I have to put on my sunglasses to look at my computer screen...I'd say it's kind of bright.

Thanks for the responses, guys. Fire and EMS here in San Diego County use clear text, so I was just wondering about the codes.

Duane

I have a question for you, Jimmy. I am having to take an online ICS course for NIMS (National Incident Management System), and it talks about using clear text vs. 10 codes for interoperability. Is FDNY still using 10 codes or are they addressing this?

Sorry if this has been asked before.-Duane

I'll only discuss our dispatches for Medics, as we dispatch both ALS and BLS.

1st part is the prealert....

(3 tone alert-Medic 414, if a stage for police state the fact, chief complaint, then the address, repeat the medic unit, give the engine company then the radio channels (dispatch and the units monitor the fire radio).

When the unit comes up on radio, we acknowledge them responding, then repeat the info, this time giving the cross streets, map page and any particulars that they may need to know, which is a medic to medic thing.

We have just gone to MDTs, we're feeling them out and still working out the bugs. We are about to change the radio policy as to what radio traffic there needs to be once everyone is confident that the MDTs are consistently working.

I wince when some of our dispatchers, who have not one ounce of field time, read every single thing in the notes. makes us sound real intelligent

From the Left Coast, where Wildland (Brush) Season has become a 365 day/year operation....

Older apparatus

Escondido Fire Department Reserve Brush Rig September 1992

Escondido Fire Department Brush 1362-July 1991

San Diego Fire Department Brush 10-December 1991

San Diego Fire Department Brush 41-December 1991

That's great!! I'm taking it to a couple of other boards I'm on for the post whores. Maybe they'll see themselves in the mirror

"AndyC3J.....your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to boldy attempt what no man has done before.  Attend FIVE wetdowns in a single day!  Is it possible?  Can it be done?  It's up to you to find out! 

This post will self-destruct in ten seconds".   

Can he do it?  Can our hero perform the incredible feat?  Tune in next week to find out!

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Gee Andy, that sounds like me a couple weeks ago (watch for drool from JBE and EMTBravo as they read this)...Fire Service Recognition Day in LA County, how many different departments could I stop at with demos and pancake breakfasts??

I made 4, and got some good photos.

As good as a local community hospital may be, the requirements for a Level 1 trauma center designation are incredible and the costs to achieve them mind boggling.  If Hudson Valley chose to give up the AREA designation, you can imagine how difficult that must have been to maintain because I can tell you they invested ALOT in getting the designation.

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Level 1's must have an onsite thorasic surgeon and a CT Scanner. That plus other onsite requirements are what cause the associated costs to be so high.

What a strange lighting package.

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I've seen that light package in photos of Canadian rigs, but not many here in the states.

RWC130,

Thank you for the post and the information. It is truly sad as a Veteran to see the apathy that my fellow Americans have for this day on which we should remember our fallen service men and women.

I'll add on, even though Armed Forces Day was last weekend. As we enter the Memorial Day weekend, too many people have forgotten the meaning. It has just become another day off to lounge around. Yes, it is good to relax and be with family, but let's remember why we have that day off.

These days, more then ever, our fellow countrymen and women are deployed and facing an enemy that will use unconventional tactics to inflict harm to them. Regardless of your thoughts on the appropriateness of this war, action whatever you want to call it, we as a country must keep our Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and Airmen in our thoughts and prayers. please remember to thank those members of our Armed Forces, past and present, for their service to our country.