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We are drifting off topic somewhat but using this tragedy as an excuse and in attempt to ban LEGAL gun sales is the wrong approach to ending gun violence, and is is a joke. Plus Feiner is a consummate news-hound virtuoso. If there is any way at all for him to get his name in the paper, he will find it.
As far as cancelling the show or banning future shows, that's the County's business, they own the place.
Needless to say, the bulk of show attendees are all law-abiding citizens, they undergo background and license checks before being allowed to purchase certain LEGAL firearms.
Don't like gun shows? Then don't go to one.

We are drifting off topic somewhat but using this tragedy as an excuse and in attempt to ban LEGAL gun sales is the wrong approach to ending gun violence, and is is a joke. Plus Feiner is a consummate news-hound virtuoso. If there is any way at all for him to get his name in the paper, he will find it.
As far as cancelling the show or banning future shows, that's the County's business, they own the place.
Needless to say, the bulk of show attendees are all law-abiding citizens, they undergo background and license checks before being allowed to purchase certain LEGAL firearms.
Don't like gun shows? Then don't go to one.

We are drifting off topic somewhat but using this tragedy as an excuse and in attempt to ban LEGAL gun sales is the wrong approach to ending gun violence, and is is a joke. Plus Feiner is a consummate news-hound virtuoso. If there is any way at all for him to get his name in the paper, he will find it.
As far as cancelling the show or banning future shows, that's the County's business, they own the place.
Needless to say, the bulk of show attendees are all law-abiding citizens, they undergo background and license checks before being allowed to purchase certain LEGAL firearms.
Don't like gun shows? Then don't go to one.

We are drifting off topic somewhat but using this tragedy as an excuse and in attempt to ban LEGAL gun sales is the wrong approach to ending gun violence, and is is a joke. Plus Feiner is a consummate news-hound virtuoso. If there is any way at all for him to get his name in the paper, he will find it.
As far as cancelling the show or banning future shows, that's the County's business, they own the place.
Needless to say, the bulk of show attendees are all law-abiding citizens, they undergo background and license checks before being allowed to purchase certain LEGAL firearms.
Don't like gun shows? Then don't go to one.

We are drifting off topic somewhat but using this tragedy as an excuse and in attempt to ban LEGAL gun sales is the wrong approach to ending gun violence, and is is a joke. Plus Feiner is a consummate news-hound virtuoso. If there is any way at all for him to get his name in the paper, he will find it.
As far as cancelling the show or banning future shows, that's the County's business, they own the place.
Needless to say, the bulk of show attendees are all law-abiding citizens, they undergo background and license checks before being allowed to purchase certain LEGAL firearms.
Don't like gun shows? Then don't go to one.

Many interesting and valid points here. I'd agree we'll never know the root cause of this or similar tragedies, but like so many other problems we must seek to identify commonalities and determine if there are factors that can lead to identification or prevention. Here's few things that have come to stick with me over the last two days:
1. How much does the media contribute to these heinous acts. I'm not blaming them, but it seems that in many (Most?) cases the perpetrators are most often described as withdrawn, quiet, "nobody's", or otherwise lacking a significant number of peer friends? Very often these people are also described as bright; genius; brilliant; etc. So we have smart kids going unknown or unrecognized. Add in some level of depression, and yes the "goth" style seems to typify the dark, quiet depressed nature of many kids. Do these kids starve the spotlight? Does the media making these tragic events so front and center provide the venue for them to be noticed?
2. While I'm an advocate for the 2nd Amendment and responsible firearms owner, I can't think of a scenario where my having to register my firearms would adversely affect me. I say this because I think that forcing some gun owners to be more responsible about how their firearms are kept would reduce unwanted use and stolen guns. Eliminating gun show loopholes to ensure all transfers were recorded and checked through NCIC (or whatever DB they use) again can't really be a huge inconvenience to legal gun owners are compared to the all out bans that are becoming more palatable every day as these tragedies mount. I fear not the U.S. government taking my legally owned firearms, I'm confident that if used against another human it'll be completely justified, but far more likely they'll never have a human in their sights. Those who fear the government will use LEO's to grab their guns fail to realize that cops, military personnel and federal agents are American citizens too, come from all walks of life in various sizes, shapes and colors and even political affiliations.
3. I too played violent video games, loved war movies and played army as a kid, none of which has made me a violent human being. That being said, there may be some merit to the point that the amount of violence seen by kids today contributes to their desensitization? We must remember that not all have the same capacity to handle what they're exposed to, hence Road Rage and seemingly these mass killings of innocent victims. Sadly, we can somewhat understand mass murder for a cause, but these total acts of senseless violence seem to prove a growing disregard for human life. Should kids be playing games that reward them for injuring and killing innocent people?
4. Lastly, maybe it's time to start meeting in the middle on some things. Our country gets weaker by the day as we deepen the great divide. Today it may be gun control, next week we'll be back to fiscal responsibility, national healthcare, religion, same sex marriage, you name it, we are so far from agreement on so many things we are a nation divided. Instead of seeing any middle ground every issue have become a larger fight. We rarely see any merit or listen long enough to hear the other point of view. It seems we all can agree that senseless tragedies need to stop, maybe we could stop the name calling long enough to see that even a few little steps toward the middle might help stem just one tragedy from ever happening. Problem is we can't see something that never happens thus we can't prove it'll work.
Wow, this soapbox is pretty high, guess I'll climb down.

Good question. Under the current dichotomy between State and Federal Law, marijuana, even for medicinal purposes remains unlawful under Federal Law (see 21 USC 801, 802 and 812) and use of illegal drugs does not constitute a disability actionable under ADA protections (see 42 USC 12111) .

First of all, it depends on how the statute on DUI or DWI/DWAI is construed in those states. In New York, Driving while Ability Impaired by Drugs (VTL1192.4) only requires the defendant to be impaired by ANY extent by a drug and be driving at time of stop/arrest. Law enforcement often utilizes a urine or blood test to prove that a drug was in one's body at the time someone was driving. In some areas, a blood or urine test may not be needed if the person exhibits signs of intoxication by drug, the drug if found in the person's vehicle, and an expert witness can testify as to the effects manifesting itself in the person's body. This methodology may be utilized if a defendant refuses the urine/blood test and a search warrant is not obtained to seize the blood.
From an earlier post: "Though I wonder what the impact of legalization is on drug testing for employment, particularly considering the discrepancy between federal and state law regarding marijuana. Can an employer fire you for failing a drug test if the drug is legalized in that state because the drug is federally illegal?Though I wonder what the impact of legalization is on drug testing for employment, particularly considering the discrepancy between federal and state law regarding marijuana. Can an employer fire you for failing a drug test if the drug is legalized in that state because the drug is federally illegal?"
The mere fact that something is legal to use does not necessarily mean that an employer cannot ban it as a condition of employment, by law or by contract. By federal regulation, transit workers for instance cannot have more than 0.02 Blood Alcohol Content in their system and be working. Further, a private company can mandate no drug use as a condition of employment. If the potential applicant feels that this is an unfair obligation, the applicant can withdraw their application or, if they feel that they are being the victim of some discrimination, file a lawsuit (cause of action) in the appropriate court. Of course, the nature of the discrimination would have to be compellling to win such a suit/action (i.e. reasonable religious reasons, etc.).
Nothing in this post should be construed as legal advice. For legal advice, please see your local bar association.

Employers can enforce pretty much any drug standard they want for their employees, regardless of state and federal legality of the substance.
For example, alcohol is legal, and if your employer forbids alcohol consumption or being under the influence while working, they could take whatever action they choose against someone testing positive.
Regarding companies that do have drug/alcohol policies, the rules are always spelled out and employees are informed of all employer-banned substances and the consequences of testing positive for any of those.

Employers can enforce pretty much any drug standard they want for their employees, regardless of state and federal legality of the substance.
For example, alcohol is legal, and if your employer forbids alcohol consumption or being under the influence while working, they could take whatever action they choose against someone testing positive.
Regarding companies that do have drug/alcohol policies, the rules are always spelled out and employees are informed of all employer-banned substances and the consequences of testing positive for any of those.

You don't need a "hard" quantitative reading. You need to do what most other states already do. Couple accepted signs of impairment (through trained/experienced observation and standardized field sobriety testing) with qualitative lab values to provide the basis for prosecution.
Been done that way successfully all this time, these laws permitting possession won't change that fact.
And no, I don't predict a huge increase in DWI accidents. The people who might take advantage of this change in public policy are already smoking marijuana now.

Many years ago we used to call these street people "bums."

And this guy is "working" here in the USA, because......

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:angry: The bad news is the server memory got maxed out.
The good news is we are getting closer to our year-end operating expense fundraising goal.
The bad news is the remaining money needed is still out there in your pockets.
On behalf of the EMTBravo staff I want to thank everyone for their contributions, both by actively participating in forum discussions, as well as for their generous financial support.
Let's continue to make our web community the number one destination to share knowledge and remain a source of enjoyment.

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That was a mutual aid drill in Mount Vernon for a supposed incident in the oil storage facility city area of the city. At the time MV was the third largest oil and gasoline storage area on the east coast.
The rig is Rescue 1, MVFD on an International.
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