JohnnyOV

Date: 1/11/12 Time:13:28 Location: 17 Heritage Dr Frequency: 46.26, Fire 11, Fire ground 5 Units Operating: Pleasantville FD: E-91, E-259, TL-5, R-47, T-57 - Car 2371,2372 Thornwood FD TL-1, E-89 for manpower - Car 2471, 2472 Valhalla FD - R9 - FAST - Car 2482 Millwood FD - R-36 - Cascade Car 2252 Chappaqua FD - E 146 - Car 2061, 2062 Batt 11 Armonk FD - E-287 to take up hydrant on Crest view and lay in for the TL operating Relocate: Potantico Hills FD: T-12 -Relocated, then requested to the scene, feeding TL-5 Sleepy Hollow FD: E-85 Relocated to PHFD Briarcliff Manor FD: E-91 relocated PFD HQ Mount Kisco FD: E-106 - relocated to Chappaqua Weather Conditions: Cool and sunny Description Of Incident: 13:28 - Dispatch for possible fire, caller sees house fire behind her house 13:31 - Re dispatch - MPPD relaying that DPW on scene with fully involved house 13:32 - Engine 91 enroute 10-75 transmitted 13:34 - Rescue 47 enroute 13:36 - 2371 ascertaining if anyone on scene yet - negative 13:37 - TL 5 enroute 13:38 - 2371 on scene establishing command - 2 story fully involved wood structure 13:39 - Coned electric and PVAC to the scene 13:57 - Command requesting tanker to the scene to feed the tower ladder - PHFD Tanker 12 enroute from PFD HQ 14:02 - Command updating 2.5 wood story 25x100, 4 hand lines in operation, fire throughout and through the roof, TL in operation as well, exterior operations, fire beginning to darken down 14:15 - Batt 11 requesting one Engine from Armonk to Scene - locate hydrant on Crestview before the scene to feed TL, one engine from Mt. Kisco to Stand by in Chappaqua 14:19 - Armonk HQ inquiring if request if for source pumper or attack engine 14:21 - Armonk toning out for Driver - E-287 14:25 - E-287 responding 14:26 - Batt 11 per command, 1 engine from Thornwood to the scene for manpower 14:27: CC1 - 4 hand lines, (inaudible), 1 Tower Ladder in operation, all hands working, structures integrity compromised. 13:32: Hawthorne to standby for Thornwood 14:35 - E-287 proceed up Heritage Dr, make a right on crestview, and hit the hydrant next to E-259 14:38 - 60-control advising CC1 operating time of 1 hour 14:39 - E-89 enroute 15:00 - CC1 - All visible fire is knocked down, checking for hot spots photos: http://pleasantville...ulfed-in-flames video: http://www.lohud.com/article/20120111/NEWS02/120111004/Pleasantville-home-engulfed-flames?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Frontpage Reporters:JohnnyOV, IzzyEng4, peterose313, Firedude Writers: Johnny - has the can, so someone else take the - OV

What benefit is gained from an emergency ride to go and hang out at another station? If your reasoning is that, "well we MIGHT get called to the fire on an upgraded alarm, so we need to get their as quickly as possible," is exactly the same as saying "lets drive around town between calls with our lights and sirens going, because at some point, the tones are going to drop for something." I'm surprised that insurance companies even allow this to occur.

Welp, that's enough internet for one day...

and for the light hearted...

EXCLUDING the use of a turbo draft... In order to draft out of a body of water, hard (in reality its flexible, non-collapsible) suction must be used. The angle of hard suction used has no bearing on the drafting operations, rather it's based off the height of lift, the atmospheric pressure and the vacuum that the pump can create to "pull" the water into the pump. Theoretically, a fire engine's pump, under perfect conditions, can lift water about 33' above the water level. Due to limitations, imperfect seals, and other factors, the actual lift of the pump is actually closer to 20-24 feet. If the barometric pressure was reading low that day, you're looking at a lift of maybe 15 feet. If I remember correctly, for the South Salem Fire the size up was given as a 3 or 4 story structure, with 2 in the front and the remainder in the rear... that right there is a huge difference in height to draft from those sources. INCLUDING the use of a turbo draft.... The turbo draft works by using a simple physics process known as the Venturi effect. A 2.5" hose line is stretched from a discharge on the source pumper, to the turbo draft and a 5" supply line is returned into the intake of the engine. Water is pumped from the engine's tank, down to the turbo draft, and then the venturi effect forces more water back up and into the supply hose. Priming the pump is not required. According to the specs of the turbo draft, you're maximum effective height is a 30 foot lift, with a 250' length of 5" being used. At the maximum distance and height, with a 150 psi 2.5. supply pressure, you're looking at a flow of about 150 gallons a minute. If' you're on flat ground and using 50' of 5', you should be getting a flow of 670gpm. http://www.turbodraft.com/products_01.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45881535/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/#.TwWnT6lwjow RIP Agent Francom. Speedy recovery to all other affected in this heinous crime

I was under the impression that even in your own home, you need to make every attempt to flee and escape the aggressor before using lethal force against them. Under what I have heard in the past, and it's simply by word of mouth, or post on here, standing in the hallway waiting for the door to open, then shooting an intruder with a shotgun will end up with you not having a justified shoot. Just looked up the law, and I'm completely wrong. Thanks for clarifying this for me guys. Penal Law is Article 35 § 35.15 2 (a)(i) 2. A person may not use deadly physical force upon another personunder circumstances specified in subdivision one unless: (a) He reasonably believes that such other person is using or about touse deadly physical force. Even in such case, however, the actor may notuse deadly physical force if he knows that he can with complete safetyas to himself and others avoid the necessity of so doing by retreating;except that he is under no duty to retreat if he is: (i) in his dwelling and not the initial aggressor;

Not in NY it's not.... Either way, she did the right thing. Justice was served swiftly in OK this week.

Date: 1/4/2012 Time: approx 1400 Location: 9 N High Street Frequency: Elmsford, Fire 14 Units: Elmsford Engine 237, ladder 55, tower ladder 21, Vallhalla FAST - rescue 9, Fairview engine 174, Hartsdale Engine 171, Hawthorne ladder 26 Weather Conditions: Cool Description Of Incident: Fire in the basement of a 1.5 story 40 x 20 residence. 2 lines stretched and operating, Con Ed Gas/Electric to the scene. 14:15 - Fire appears to be extinguished, 1 engine from Hartsdale x 1 ladder from Hawthorne to back fill at Elmsford ladder Co's quarters, Batt 14 requested to the scene. 14:20 - 10-75 transmitted, Fire has extended to the 1st floor. Fairview Engine 174 and Valhalla FAST to the scene 14:25 - Command requesting E174's manpower Hartsdale Engine 171 was relocating, and was requested to the scene as well for manpower.

Wait, wait, wait. You mean to tell me that as volunteers, we don't have to do easy stuff like this? (green is roads with no hydrants on them, but the cross street or access road has one, and yellow is out of the hydrant district, requiring a tanker shuttle) Well if I don't need to know every hydrant, then I'm sure as hell not going to learn the roads either. Heck, why even pre-plan? We're just volunteers, we can't be bothered with auto-sprinkler connection locations and draft site access and other logistical things like that. That entire officer staff needs to pack up, go home and join a damn club.

It's too bad the screens not made out of construction paper... edit: hasn't this editing box thing always been around? I've always seen it after I've edited my posts

Too soon?

This should really be addressed at the County level. One department's accountability is far different then their neighbors. The entire system in the county is flawed. When their is so much M/A that occurs, wouldn't it make sense to actually use a system that is interopertable... much like the radios?

Sounds like a great system when there aren't dedicated members to each function at every call... i.e. the volunteer realm. The volunteers, and I say that by means of unstaffed departments where it is a crap shoot as to who shows up, are in need a system that can adapt and change with the number of personnel on scene. What was designed for FDNY is fantastic, but in all seriousness, can only work when there is down time during roll call to update who is actually working, and what position they're riding in. It is basically impossible for this system to work in a volunteer department, especially when you have guys showing up in POV's, ect ect. Sitting here right now, I've thought of a few idea's that could incorporate the system that NRFD will be testing out, that could work for a volunteer department. However, It would require a lot of upgraded radios, and a small upgrade to gear. Based off the system that the Capt stated above, what if each FF was issued an RFID tag (http://en.wikipedia...._identification) that was stitched into either his coat's radio pocket, or his radio strap or both. That RFID would label all the normal accountability information of who it is, what department they're from, age, gender, blood type, medical history, all the important personal stuff. The great thing about the RFID tag is that is requires no batteries to operate. It's the same thing that are placed into pets between their shoulder blades for identification if they're ever lost. The radio itself, would then also double as an extremely low powered RFID reader, so when it's placed in either the radio pocket or the holster, it reads who it is, and transfers all the information to the base station. This could be coupled with the assignment that the FF is completing that the Capt. was referring to. I'm sure they must already be looking into something like this though.

I hereby surrender all previous posts. This thread should be deleted with the exception of this video.

At a working fire on the corner of X and Y ...M/A engine coming in: "Engine ### to 60-control, is that a right or left off of Xst onto Y" (before 60-control had a chance to answer) "IF THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY"RE GOING, SEND THEM HOME!!!!!!!" "60- Control to Eng ###, that's going to be a right." over heard on the fire-ground after that was "look for the smoke and shiny trucks"

Date: 12/28/2011 Time: 0323 Location: 15 Lake Rd Cortlandt Frequency: 46.26, Mohegan District Wide, Fire 17 Units Operating: E258 E252 L 35, Peekskill Fast, Buchanan Cascade, MVAC, Batt 17, CO z4 Weather Conditions: cold Description Of Incident: 0323 - Dispatched to possible Structure Fire 0328 - 10-75 transmitted, PFD FAST, BFD Cascade, MVAC and Batt 17 dispatched 0408 - Per Batt 17 fire in a 35x25 2 story wood frame, heavy fire in the attic from the D side of the building. 0408 - ....Fire appears to be k/d at this time .... 0743 - situation under control ATT 0801 - all units in service Reporters: to the left and up Writer: my left and right hand

During a snow stand-by... Base to utility: how are the conditions out there? utility to base: wet and slippery unknown source: YEHAHHHHH! THATS HOW WE LIKE IT!

I know I answered this in another thread for you, but I'll do it again here because I feel this pertains more to this thread then apparatus response... In all honesty , you could have 8 pieces of apparatus on scene, but if you only have 8 firefighters, you're efforts are going to be almost futile. Manpower is what is needed most, not the big shiny toolbox. And Chief Flynn beat me to the punch... edit 2: I should also add that for M/A runs, the rig will not leave the station until 4 interior qualified firefighters (or 4 FAST members if it's a FASTeam) are on it.

It all depends on the situation presented at the time. Our district is almost 37 square miles big, so expecting everyone to show up to the firehouse to respond is not only pointless, it would delay our response, especially since we only have 2 stations (insurance co audits actually recommended 5 stations). Anyways, a majority of the time we have guys hanging around the main firehouse, enough to get 2 pieces on the road with 2 or 3 guys on the rigs each. Sometimes there are full apparatus, and sometimes we're rolling driver only. Right now, it's just the nature of the beast and we're actively trying to address that problem. People in the rigs will get assignments as we ride to the scene, and prioritize each function depending on the staffing level. People who arrive on scene in their POV will meet with the IC and get their assignment from there. If I'm responding driver only, there are about 1000 things going through my mind on what needs to be done when I arrive. If I have a crew with me, the guy sitting in the right seat makes all those decisions, and I know that as the MPO, I'll be operating the pump, flaking out line, securing a water source, throwing ladders, basically any function on the outside that needs to be accomplished if we arrive with minimum manpower. I wont hide behind a smoke screen and say that manpower is great 100% of the time. Just like every other department (even if you refuse to admit it) we're dealt with a crappy hand sometimes. It's how you overcome those obstacles in the first 10 seconds, prioritize what needs to be done first and effectively accomplish those tasks in a short time period.

Seriously, everyone has their panties in a bunch over the name of a tool box and the rather large office water cooler on wheels. Who gives a flying fahtooka what it's called. If they called in responding "Magic Carpet 1" or "Craftsman transport Vehicle" and they show up with sufficient, well trained man power and equipment to get the job done, then they can call themselves what ever they want for all I care. Priorities people.

I regret to inform you that Police Officer Arnulfo Crispin has succumbed to his injuries he received when he was shot by a 19 year old perp late Sunday night. PO. Crispin had 18 months on the job, and was searching a park for 5 individuals alone. As the PO was patting down one of the suspects, another perp cowardly shot PO Crispin in the head and the 5 fled the scene. PO Crispin's backup arrived to find Crispin shot. A massive manhunt ensued and the suspect was later apprehended and the suspected weapon was recovered. RIP PO Crispin http://www.baynews9.com/article/news/2011/december/360610/Lakeland-Police:-Officer-Arnulfo-Crispin-dies?cid=rss

Then do something about it. Insist that FASNY lobbies and NYS follows through increasing the training requirements of volunteer firemen. We're our own worst enemy sometimes.

Pretty sure a to be designated a "Squad" you need to have a minimum staffing of 5 firemen and an Officer (edit: inputted "all") all trained in Hazmat technician (level A suit entry and decon) / WMD response, technical rescue technician trained in structural collapse, confined space, trench rescue. Anything other then that, and you're still just a "Rescue."

I refer you to the 1st amendment... and statter911. http://statter911.com/2011/12/18/what-gives-no-outrage-over-ghoulish-photographers-shooting-bodies-has-something-changed-in-year-since-connecticut-trooper-blasted-cameraman/ As much as I disagree with the the filming of accidents, patients, and the operations, the constitution allows for the freedom of the press to film and report what they want that is open to pubic viewing. Morally and ethically is it OK, probably not. There has been incidents of firefighters and EMS workers getting fired over the release of medical photos and videos, but again, we're held accountable under HIPAA. The only thing that can effectively keep the news out of a certain area, is to set up a secure zone and consider it a crime scene or active investigation site, thus prohibiting the reporters from entering the restricted area. Other then that, it is fair game.