EMSer

You must have never worked in less than desirable neighborhood where the good guys (police/fire/ems) are looked upon as doing something wrong, and the jackass running around with multiple baby mamas, robbing people at gun point is looked upon as the local hero. She was driving a stolen car, had a rap sheet as long as my arm for things like kidnapping, and tried to kill a cop with a car, but I should feel pity for her. I think you know where I will tell you to go with that.

do tell

the fact that one may be desensitized to this does not mean that one is not a sadist.

for the record, i have done the fd and ems and i have met some pretty nasty people. i have not done the pd simply because i don't want to. my point - cops complain about their jobs like little whiney girls. when you become a cop you make a decision to do so. if you don't like it then leave. clearly, some of the cops on this forum get a hard on from bonding over how much society hates you. society hates you because of the blue wall your unions have created to protect yours butts. case and point, if you stand behind the blue wall, you just became apart of the scum you swore to protect.

back to this person. i am neither anti-cop nor am i pro-cop. i never have a bias about cops, my opinion is strictly what i personally know about the many many many cops i know. but still, when society knows that you smile and/or laugh at dead perps, society will further judge you sadism.

goodnight

I can't believe people are crying for this woman....

...this is pretty simple, if u drive the car you stole at gunpoint through red lights, collide with a minivan, hit a cop with the car door and then try to drive away in reverse, you might get shot. Oh, and you're going to deserve it too.

It's that simple, without bringing in that this animal was headed to court Friday to face multiple violent felony charges. All of this and people still cry and are quoted as saying, "she had her whole life ahead of her". I'm going to speak for society and say that I'm glad her life was snuffed out!

happy her life was snuffed out??

you must be a psychopathic sadist. i suggest you call a therapist first think tomorrow morning

the cop did what he thought was going to protect his life. a car is a lethal weapon. he shot in defense. it's unfortunate for the woman and the cop. how about the trash on this forum get some class...

I could have sworn the money paid for fuel, equipment and training... At least thats where it went when I was an officer. Why would you say that collecting tax money and billing insurance is greedy and unethical? What "member allowences" are you speaking of? What "pension" is my VAC paying me? Sorry if I seem to be digging into you but these are some pretty strong alligations and I respectfully ask that you clarify.

each member is allowed $200 for uniform attire OR omaha steakbucks...

why is it unethical and greedy? because if you can survive on billing insurance companies, then relieve the tax payers of the ems tax. especially when the agency can clearly afford $15,000 of parties.

the pension received at this agency allows $700 per year after 5 years of service.

most vacs don't have the money to piss away. this vac has plenty

2. What does billing have to do with anything in regard to again having the name V.A.C.? If the collected money goes to operational expenses and not to any volunteer member towards salary...I don't get your point.

not entire true als. they reimbursed money at "X" VAC is indeed collected for salaries. the money is accrued to a "rainy day" fund. the fund is for when there are no volunteers left and they must people their staff, i.e. vollies turn paid. it's already known that members will have first dibs at becoming paid employees of the corps, allowing that money to be paid to the vollies in a sneaky way. i think vollies that collect insurance money and taxes, as well as doing "boot drops" and mailer donations throughout the year are exploiting theit tax base. either accept the taxes or accept the insurance money. doing both is greedy and unethical - especially when the installation and holiday dinners total over $15,000. plus member allowances, pensions and other pricey perks.

i know i got off topic, but i'm ashamed to be formerly associated with such a money greedy "volunteer" agency. they don't serve their community. they serve themselves first, community second.

Dobbs Ferry, Croton, Hawthorne, Somers...answers were given. In addition, Valhalla VAC uses paid EMT's I believe through Transcare, but I am not sure. I also am not positive of coverage hours.

There are also a lot of agencies who use other VAC's for coverage...

valhalla "vac" runs per diem 6a-6p.

btw "valhalla volunteer ambulance corps" does not exist. the agency is just called V.A.C as in "valhalla ambulance corps"

the word "volunteer" was taken out of the charter around 2001 when they initially started paying techs.

sorry, just a pet peeve...

I actually didn't even realize that was published

Although this one officer may have been singled out, what I have mentioned is in the contracts of many officers at that dept, although new hires are no longer entitled to those "benefits"

5-10 more times then me!!!

in order to dislike you must know them to make it reasonable

yes, I’ve watched him, so what?

I think he's very smart, but disagree with his approach

Where do you get your news from, Katie Couric? The Z100 Morning Zoo? NPR? Scott and Todd? Or the worst of them all - LoHud??

Please, enlighten me.

Not me, my union got me today off

That’s fascinating. How much in union dues did this day off cost you?

Few hundred...few thousand over the years?

and helicopper, I have very specific examples from very specific agencies. I am being vague because forum rules forbid me to "bash" another agency or individual. Lets just say a "certain PD" allows it's officers to go to ANY class at SUNY Purchase or Manhattanville for any course they want (even if it's to get another degree, so they can get another job and clearly has NOTHING to do with their PD job BUT it's in their UNION CONTRACT that they may do so)

Does that sounds like a fair negotiation of public funds and public trust?

I think not

I am not here to argue republican/democrat with you but I do have a question.

In what way does a social contract/compact align itself with a communist society? How is it worse than anything else mentioned to date?

In a nutshell if you are not familiar, a social contract/compact was a concept initially described by french enlightenment thinker Jean-Jacques Rousseau in which he argued that government had an obligation to protect its citizens, thus a social contract. If you want to live here, you have to agree with our rules and we will protect you using them.

If you read the Preamble to the US Constitution:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

It is the entire idea of a social contract.

If you read it carefully it has some interesting statements: provide for the common defense; promote welfare; secure our posterity....

I guess they must have been communists too....

Eh, really a "Nanny State"

I am familiar with Rousseau, now read up on his good friend and critic David Hume and his essay "Of Civil Liberty" published in 1742

The Constitution is our "original contract"

Obama wants to change its objectives, that’s the concern. Even though we have the rights to change or even abolish our own gov., many Americans don't want to change it to a socialist contract/compact, but yet many Americans do.

I've watched the Glenn Beck Show maybe 5-10 times in my life

Nice try

Indeed, my error

Thats where the Libertarian comes in lol

I know they're all scum; but sitting around and saying "i accept how things are" is not my style

I also criticize republicans, as well as the Dems; but this topic is mainly focused of the Dems and public unions

While i know the Rep's plan is not what's best for this country, it is the lesser of the two evils.

Did anyone hear Obama's about "SOCIAL CONTRACT" he mentioned last week? Look it up if you're not familiar. It blatantly aligns itself with a communist society

This "contract" is by far worse than anything the Rep's have mentioned to date.

EMS'er - your anti-cop and anti-union posts piss me off.

Do you have ANY idea of just how hard our respective municipalities would put the screws to us in the police and fire professions if we didn't have Unions? They do it enough with Union protection!

I would tell you to look at the big picture, but I am sure your vision is obscurred by the Obama sticker on your Prius!

Obama sticker on my prius? what a moron...

Saying I’m anti-cop means all cops are wrong, saying I’m pro-cop means all cops are right. I am neither

I’m also not anti-union, but I do believe public unions do NOT have the same rights as private

I am a Republican/Conservative/Libertarian, all of which are in agreement of fiscal conservatism. Arguing over social issues is not necessarily a priority of mine, hence the libertarianism

Lastly, I do not have the care to prove my points to you. I read various types of news media and I also read the publications from the unions in this area. To answer someone’s question about where the area is, it’s Westchester and NYC. I cannot gather all of the info I’ve read of the years to put on this little forum, but again feel free to research it for yourself. I have many conservative friends in various Labor unions, Civil Service unions, and Electrician unions to name a few in this particular area that have told me specific examples about their unions supporting the Dem’s at all costs.

When’s the last time a union stood behind a Republican?

Unions: Share the wealth…

Dems: Share the wealth…

Hmmmmmmmm….

I have very specific examples of PD Unions in Westchester taking advantage of the public. One example in “X” PD members can take classes at local colleges for free, regardless of the nature of the class and how irrelevant it is to their job. Guess who gets stiffed with the bill??

I don’t expect you people to understand, I really don’t. Like most unions members, you owe pretty much everything you have to your unions; and that’s how the pull you in. I am not mentioning this on here to simply piss people off, although I do know that writing what I have will. You people need to open your eyes a bit more.

For the person that talked about me being single and without kids and you having to do what you got to for your family and children, I respect what you do. I have nothing bad to say about this, you have to do what is best and that is notable; but I wish people on here would be able to call a duck a duck instead of calling a duck whatever their union reps tell them to call it. Some of you on here are reasonably, most of you, well, not so much.

OK, time for work…

A "Fund" had already been started for Hess to offset legal expenses. Started by his Union by the way, those narcissistic money grubbers!!! (For everyone else, yes, I'm being sascastic.)

as long as it's private money, there will never be a concern

obviously taxpayers will be footing the bill for the villages attorney, but no public funds should be used for Hess' personal legal expenses. if you can message me with an address of where to send a check, i'd like to contrubute my PRIVATE funds to this cause

You have to excuse him. His anti-Union posts are typical.

typical?

of course they're typical!

3/4 of the country believes public unions have to be restructured, 1/4 of the country thinks public unions are perfect the way they are. so, you tell me what typical actually is!

damn ignorance...

Dude, wake up. They are taking away rights that these unions fought for. It is anti-American what those states have done. It is not the unions that have put the municipalities in the spot they are in. The republicans are pitting the working class against each other. (It's not fair that the unions have this and the rest of the workers don't. Vote republican and we will get rid of the big bad unions) Do you really think that the non-union citizens will see any difference in their taxes? You are kidding yourself if you think the residents will get a tax break if they strip the unions of their collective bargaining rights. The unions are not to blame. Nor are they unwilling to make concessions. But don't sit there and say that we have to cut this and that and watch those cutting get raises and if you think it hasn't happened you are insane. They are destroying what so many have worked for. It is not right.

Your comment of making sure unions are kept in line... what exactly do you mean? The unions have to negotiate every single thing in their contracts with... yup the municipality! So don't sit there and say it is the unions fault, the contracts have to be agreed to by both sides. The unions have not strong armed anyone. They have fairly negotiated their contracts. So you are saying well done to Oklahoma because you think this will be what is best for the union members themselves but not the union itself? So basically the cities can now say you will get this for pay and this for vacation and this for medical and if you don't like it you can go work elsewhere. So how is this better for the union member???

Fairly negotiated??????

"Dude" YOU need to wake up!

civil service unions:

allow workers to have healthcare without worker contributions...

allow workers to have retirement pensions that again, they don't have to contrubute...

allow workers to have "non-merit" based salary increases, salary increases given for longevity, not effort...

allow workers to further their college education...

ALL at the tax payers expense!!

How about civil service workers do what the rest of the country does:

CONTRIBUTE to your healthcare and pension!

work hard for MERIT BASED raises and promotions!

PAY for your own education!

and BTW, your unions didn't "FIGHT" for those "rights," your unions sold you out to the Democrats for those "rights" and thinking anything else is being ignorant of ALL the facts. Feel free to look up the history of each specific union in this area - i have, and it's disgusting.

I am all for unions promoting themselves and protecting themselves via strenght in numbers, but everything I mentioned is a "gimme, gimme, gimme" complex that's effing up this country, state and county

Unions are irrational and solely support the leftist Democratic platform, even though their union members tend to be people that consider themselves “center-right.”

I support all governments that have objectives to make sure unions are kept in line and do what is best for the union members and not the union itself or the Democratic agenda

well done Oklahoma

UPDATE:

Now the Henry's are stating they are NOT suing for $$, they are suing so that they may be able to review and subpoena all evidence for themselves

WHITE PLAINS — The parents of slain Pace University football player Danroy "DJ" Henry Jr. will file a federal lawsuit this afternoon against the police officer who killed him. The family said they are not suing for money, but to get access to 911 audiotapes, store surveillance video, testimony and police reports from the Oct. 17 shooting of the 20-year-old junior.

LoHud

FYI, pace is hosting a rally today...

This is what is going around pace today.....

EVERYONE: BALLOON RALLY ! "Wings of Hope!" All you need to do, is get a white balloon and draw the #12 and angel wings on it to represent DJ being your angel for the day. You can tie the balloon to a backpack, a mailbox, your car..anywhere that people will see it and want to join! MTV AND BET will be watching to see what we do! LET'S MAKE THIS BIG!

Makes me e'ffing sick

THAT MAKES 2 OF US...

Is hess himself liable in anyway, or is it just the village and town?

I don't think they are going after Mt Pleasant. Correct me if I am wrong, but if the Feds side with the Henry's on criminal charges then I do believe they can sue PPD as well as Hess and his personal property.

Even though they may not get his peronal property, or even if the judge does not allow them to obtain personal property, that doesn't mean they won't try.

They are seeking to avenge their son and they have the $$ to do so; this situation has potential to get very ugly

WHITE PLAINS — Danroy Henry Jr.'s parents are filing a federal lawsuit against the Pleasantville police officer who killed him.

LoHud

I read the comments that someone may think that Hess' lawyer might "settle" just to get these people to go away, but this is one thing I want played out in a court to end this once and for all. We should start a "fund" to allow private money to be donated to Hess and his legal team in the event that they are forced to "settle" as a result of lack of funds.

The Henry's are wealthy people, this may be their intent all along - to drag Hess in the mud until he has no more money and is forced to give up.

What do you guys think?

the title of this topic sounds kind of perverted lol

Poll

Feel free to vote

I disagree with the PBA, but still support Hess.

Let me go way out on a limb, here, if I may... I often wonder...

if anything would have wound up any differently in regards to this entire incident, if the police officers involved with the shooting , were black? Or the alleged assailant, white?

I'm going to go out even further... I bet nobody involved in this is going to be having a cold beer with President Obama, anytime soon.

that i will definately agree with

just because the federal government may bring charges in a case doesn't mean they are warranted.

wow dude...wow...

again i ask - what if he is convicted?

will your response be "just because the federal government may convict someone doesn't mean they are guilty?"

maybe?...then that quote is possible for every individual convicted of a crime (irony: today westchester county awarded Jeff Deckovic $6.5 million for a wrongful conviction case)

take down the blue wall and think people, just think for God sakes!!

sometimes i read posts on here and wonder what planet this forum is from