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  1. Posted

    From News 12 Westchester's Joe Rao:

    "Here are the various scenarios: the 12Z European model has Sandy making landfall over the Delmarva Peninsula on Monday morning, then moving northwest to near Williamsport, PA by Tuesday morning. The Navy Model (NOGAPS) has Sandy hitting New York City on Monday morning. The Canadian Global Model brings Sandy to Cape Cod and Boston by Tuesday morning, while the United Kingdom and GFS models both have Sandy scoring a direct hit on coastal Maine on Tuesday night.

    Normally you look for consistency among the models, and to this end, the European model has been the best in indicating that Sandy would ultimately curve back to the west and adversely impact the US East Coast, while all the other models pushed her out to sea. Now, however, those other models are coming around to the idea of recurvature back toward the coast. So right now, it would seem that somewhere running in a corridor from the Delmarva coast northeast to coastal Maine, in a time frame lasting from Monday morning to Tuesday evening, major storm system sporting sustained winds of possibly 70 m.p.h. along with torrential/drenching rains is going to hit."

    I wouldnt trust Joe Rao

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    The drawback is that you have to listen to the BeeLine buses, the Hospitals, in addition to what you want to listen to. Listening to the buses can get boring pretty quickly, without a way of turning them off. Just my opinion.

    ok, i have one step up from that and it is trunked and i still hear the buses....

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    The overwhelming majority of responses on the water are simply calls for disabled vessels. They get handled by SeaTow or other service organizations with no fanfare at all. A lot like HELP trucks on the highway. No big deal, they handle disabled vehicles all day long without emergency services responses. Other calls like boating accidents require a police response for reporting but generally that's it. Actual fires and life safety responses are definitely a small percentage.

    There is little need for a new specialty team with two guys standing by "like a VAC". In the event of a true emergency, we get a lot of resources on the water very quickly with what we've got. Could it be improved upon? Sure, what couldn't be better? Unfortunately as we're seeing everywhere there is no money or interest in doing what would "be great to see". We're having enough trouble supporting what's absolutely critical to life safety and day to day operations.

    Who would fund a team that may only go out once or twice a summer? Who's going to want to give up there time to stand by for that?

    Im sure if you were hearing what was going on out on the water you would agree, im not saying make a team that does tows thats why we have Sea Tow

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    There have been 1 or 2 dozen calls over the last 30 years along the sound shore that required a dive team.

    How about 1st we worry about getting enough trained people on every ambulance and fire truck to the hundreds of thousands of calls over that same time period.

    ohh dont worry i agree totally the priority is on land, this is just something that would be great to see on the water....

    And its not about when there are just dive calls, but there are a lot of responses you don't hear about on the water happening everyday....

  14. Posted

    I'd imagine your PDs monitor the Marine Emergency channel, which is how they hear about the calls early enough to make a save.

    If you did a regional team you'd have to wait for the call to come into your dispatch center, have the dispatcher tone it, have all the personnel respond to a particular location and THEN proceed to get out to the call. That's a lot of lag time. Having worked a LOT of drowning calls at Squantz Pond in New Fairfield, the patient is usually under for 5+ minutes before anyone even notices there's an issue. Add our dispatch, turnout and response time in NF and your patient isn't in very good shape. That's why we have Environmental Conservation Officers on the lake already, they can get something started while we are mobilizing.

    You see yacht clubs, etc sending personnel out to search because that's standard protocol for a marine emergency. If you ever listen to the Marine Emergency channel, you'll hear Coast Guard calling out alerts to all vessels that can provide assistance. Because they know by the time the FD or PD get out and start their search, it can be too late.

    Again, the county "team" concept isn't necessarily the best for water rescue. If your department has shoreline, its your responsibility to have a capability to deal with water emergencies. You aren't going to have time to wait for other departments to come in and help. Its usually not like other types of rescue where the patient can be trapped but still stable. If someone's drowning they need immediate attention, there's no time for staging, waiting for a technical rescue team, etc. Reach, row, throw, go. And do it quickly.

    It is needed for WLIS there are a lot of calls that become either unattended or the boat must get back to there home port with an injury/sick person aboard......

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    If i may! How many (SCUBA RESCUE'S) have occurred in the last, lets say five (5) years vs. RESCUE'S utilizing a boat, throwing device, or personnel with exposure suits or dry suits who have quick access to victims in need? Also, what about dispatch procedures? Multiple resources dispatched on initial alarm? In Morris County i know the COM Center dispatches multiple agencies on the reported structure, FAST TEAM included. Sounds like to me that more SPECIALIZED UNIT'S aren't required, but the MULTIPLE AGENCY dispatch needs to be looked at. Forget about waiting for the arrival of an officer on scene to determine who in addition to the HOME TOWN agency should respond. TIME LOST. You can alway's CANCEL then having to WAIT.

    It makes a lot of sense what you think about the Sound Shore topic but, if you wanted a team it would more then likely have to be stationed with a min of 2 people at a time like a VAC would always be have a crew on, and obviously with the team there would be more then one boat so those people on duty at the time would have people backing them up...

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  18. Posted

    My point was exactly that. There are many different types and since the examples were based on incidents in Mamaroneck that requested Dive Rescue, my point was the DES team is not Dive Rescue, it is swift water (which in my mind is much more important, since it is used to save live victims, while dive rescue unless it is there fast (like NYS Air/Sea Rescue) is mostly for recovery).

    I agree with you, but the should be a on water rescue team. When a vessel on WLIS calls in distress there is time to save them but there is no on to do the job except local pd's then again it might not be directly called to them... If there was an actual team made by sound shore municipalities... Portchester, Rye, Mamaroneck, Larchmont, New ro and pelham can all chip in a small amount each to make a decent team to cover from the ct border down the the bronx line...

    i have seen Local private yacht clubs send there own staff out looking for people out there...

    I have also seen NYC Helicopters helping in searches (which is great)

    Maybe a team can be made and work with the FDNY and other local "on water" rescue and salvage agencies

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  21. Posted

    I think Westchester County needs a more organized Response structure.

    For Example a 10-75 or working fire response should look like this:

    4 Engines

    2 Ladders

    1 Fast Truck - With chief from department of designated Fast team.

    3 or 2 chiefs depending on availability.

    2nd Alarm assignment should look something like this:

    WCDES Field Communications

    3 Additional engines

    2 Trucks

    1 Rescue/Utility

    And a 2nd Alarm Chief

    Safety chief

    3rd Alarm

    2 additional Engines

    1 Truck

    Mask Service Unit

    2 Chiefs

    Rehab vehicle

    WCDES Support Unit ( if available)

    This is just a rough outline

    Please i would like some input on all of your thoughts good and bad.

    Like already said not every department can afford to do that, plus wether your up county or down south those resources can have a 4 minute M/A response or even a 10-15min M/A response.....

    Also you cant really give out Numbered Assignments in Westchester because it depends if its a store, a Mall, Golf Club, apartment building, and/or any sized house

    And for an example (like the sound shore) not every town has a rescue and what if you need a stick, well now your stuck choosing Rye or New Ro?

  22. Posted

    also do u think when volunteers come to a scene in there personal vehicles there should be some-type of staging area for them rather than having them scattered all over and possibly blocking apparatus.

    I personally think thats a great idea,but your going to wast time (with a volunteer dept that if anything cant afford to take a couple of guys aside to make parking lost) Also how would you establish something like that? a lot of different streets and terrain...