CFD320

How about people go after the white collar morons who bankrupted the NYS pension system in the first place? The pension system was so flush with cash 10 years ago that all it's assets could have been invested in rock solid zero risk investment products and cash flow itself for 50 years with no further contributions from employees. They were so flush they allowed municipalities to defer payments to the system because they were unnecessary! Problem is that the pension fund managers who make (yes still make) 7 figure salaries plus huge bonus' were over-aggressive with THE MONEY PARTICIPANTS IN THE NYS PENSION SYSTEM CONTRIBUTED and BLEW BILLIONS OF THEIR DOLLARS. Now these same people that lost a ton of our money vilify the civil servant as the bad guys... Civil servants didn't create this problem, which now rests squarely on the backs of NYS tax payers. Blame the guy in the monkey suite, not the bunker pants...
Five years ago when everybody and their brother was buying a McMansion was anyone jealous of the paycheck a fireman earned?

I was at work so didn't respond to this job but since the door has been opened I'll step through. Some bullet point comments on Seth's post.
First and foremost, everyone went home some minor injuries, smoke inhalation aside. The two brothers in Bridgeport were not so lucky yesterday.
Above, pre-plans and response policies were questioned and referred to as "antiquated" in Westchester. I do not know how Briarcliff operates, but I can tell you that many volunteer and career departments alike in Westchester have detailed greater alarm response policies in the CAD at 60 control and are often executed automatically without any radio transmissions necessary. In addition to that, the county "battalion cars" act as the resource officer at jobs, taking pressure off of the IC. I do not know all of the battalions personally but I will tell you two I do know bring to the table plenty of experience to know when to "suggest" to IC's when to request additional resources.
I am quite sure this fire could have been run differently, as every single fire is different and different IC's will not run the same
fire the same way. It is quite possible that had this job had occurred in another district it would have sounded more "professional" on the air. Maybe some unknown department that sounds great on the air loses the entire structure, maybe not? How u sound on the air means dick when u have someone trapped above the fire and everyone is looking at you to make a decision.
Most volunteer rescue companies in Westchester were born from fire police. Just because a particular company carries certain tools does
not mean that their membership is as specialized as their toolbox.
FAST in the weather conditions yesterday needed to be properly relieved. A good proactive FAST is doing more than anyone realizes, just being bunkered up and ready to roll on a day like yesterday is taxing on the body. If after rehab the IC chooses to use the relieved FAST for overhaul or salvage rather than request additional resources, I don't see an issue. I see it done often.
Radio discipline is a issue everywhere. And I do mean everywhere, ever hear tapes of ground ops channels from highly regarded paid
departments where maydays are stepped all over due to poor radio discipline?
The fire service is reactive by nature, if if Black Friday had never occurred PSS systems would not be an NFPA standard today. Each member from the to the IC down to the probie has to take a personal inventory after each job and ask him/herself how they can be better and safer next time.
I think in a forum such as this positivity is key. Every member can learn something from every run...
Stay Safe and Hydrate...

I was at work so didn't respond to this job but since the door has been opened I'll step through. Some bullet point comments on Seth's post.
First and foremost, everyone went home some minor injuries, smoke inhalation aside. The two brothers in Bridgeport were not so lucky yesterday.
Above, pre-plans and response policies were questioned and referred to as "antiquated" in Westchester. I do not know how Briarcliff operates, but I can tell you that many volunteer and career departments alike in Westchester have detailed greater alarm response policies in the CAD at 60 control and are often executed automatically without any radio transmissions necessary. In addition to that, the county "battalion cars" act as the resource officer at jobs, taking pressure off of the IC. I do not know all of the battalions personally but I will tell you two I do know bring to the table plenty of experience to know when to "suggest" to IC's when to request additional resources.
I am quite sure this fire could have been run differently, as every single fire is different and different IC's will not run the same
fire the same way. It is quite possible that had this job had occurred in another district it would have sounded more "professional" on the air. Maybe some unknown department that sounds great on the air loses the entire structure, maybe not? How u sound on the air means dick when u have someone trapped above the fire and everyone is looking at you to make a decision.
Most volunteer rescue companies in Westchester were born from fire police. Just because a particular company carries certain tools does
not mean that their membership is as specialized as their toolbox.
FAST in the weather conditions yesterday needed to be properly relieved. A good proactive FAST is doing more than anyone realizes, just being bunkered up and ready to roll on a day like yesterday is taxing on the body. If after rehab the IC chooses to use the relieved FAST for overhaul or salvage rather than request additional resources, I don't see an issue. I see it done often.
Radio discipline is a issue everywhere. And I do mean everywhere, ever hear tapes of ground ops channels from highly regarded paid
departments where maydays are stepped all over due to poor radio discipline?
The fire service is reactive by nature, if if Black Friday had never occurred PSS systems would not be an NFPA standard today. Each member from the to the IC down to the probie has to take a personal inventory after each job and ask him/herself how they can be better and safer next time.
I think in a forum such as this positivity is key. Every member can learn something from every run...
Stay Safe and Hydrate...

I was at work so didn't respond to this job but since the door has been opened I'll step through. Some bullet point comments on Seth's post.
First and foremost, everyone went home some minor injuries, smoke inhalation aside. The two brothers in Bridgeport were not so lucky yesterday.
Above, pre-plans and response policies were questioned and referred to as "antiquated" in Westchester. I do not know how Briarcliff operates, but I can tell you that many volunteer and career departments alike in Westchester have detailed greater alarm response policies in the CAD at 60 control and are often executed automatically without any radio transmissions necessary. In addition to that, the county "battalion cars" act as the resource officer at jobs, taking pressure off of the IC. I do not know all of the battalions personally but I will tell you two I do know bring to the table plenty of experience to know when to "suggest" to IC's when to request additional resources.
I am quite sure this fire could have been run differently, as every single fire is different and different IC's will not run the same
fire the same way. It is quite possible that had this job had occurred in another district it would have sounded more "professional" on the air. Maybe some unknown department that sounds great on the air loses the entire structure, maybe not? How u sound on the air means dick when u have someone trapped above the fire and everyone is looking at you to make a decision.
Most volunteer rescue companies in Westchester were born from fire police. Just because a particular company carries certain tools does
not mean that their membership is as specialized as their toolbox.
FAST in the weather conditions yesterday needed to be properly relieved. A good proactive FAST is doing more than anyone realizes, just being bunkered up and ready to roll on a day like yesterday is taxing on the body. If after rehab the IC chooses to use the relieved FAST for overhaul or salvage rather than request additional resources, I don't see an issue. I see it done often.
Radio discipline is a issue everywhere. And I do mean everywhere, ever hear tapes of ground ops channels from highly regarded paid
departments where maydays are stepped all over due to poor radio discipline?
The fire service is reactive by nature, if if Black Friday had never occurred PSS systems would not be an NFPA standard today. Each member from the to the IC down to the probie has to take a personal inventory after each job and ask him/herself how they can be better and safer next time.
I think in a forum such as this positivity is key. Every member can learn something from every run...
Stay Safe and Hydrate...

I was at work so didn't respond to this job but since the door has been opened I'll step through. Some bullet point comments on Seth's post.
First and foremost, everyone went home some minor injuries, smoke inhalation aside. The two brothers in Bridgeport were not so lucky yesterday.
Above, pre-plans and response policies were questioned and referred to as "antiquated" in Westchester. I do not know how Briarcliff operates, but I can tell you that many volunteer and career departments alike in Westchester have detailed greater alarm response policies in the CAD at 60 control and are often executed automatically without any radio transmissions necessary. In addition to that, the county "battalion cars" act as the resource officer at jobs, taking pressure off of the IC. I do not know all of the battalions personally but I will tell you two I do know bring to the table plenty of experience to know when to "suggest" to IC's when to request additional resources.
I am quite sure this fire could have been run differently, as every single fire is different and different IC's will not run the same
fire the same way. It is quite possible that had this job had occurred in another district it would have sounded more "professional" on the air. Maybe some unknown department that sounds great on the air loses the entire structure, maybe not? How u sound on the air means dick when u have someone trapped above the fire and everyone is looking at you to make a decision.
Most volunteer rescue companies in Westchester were born from fire police. Just because a particular company carries certain tools does
not mean that their membership is as specialized as their toolbox.
FAST in the weather conditions yesterday needed to be properly relieved. A good proactive FAST is doing more than anyone realizes, just being bunkered up and ready to roll on a day like yesterday is taxing on the body. If after rehab the IC chooses to use the relieved FAST for overhaul or salvage rather than request additional resources, I don't see an issue. I see it done often.
Radio discipline is a issue everywhere. And I do mean everywhere, ever hear tapes of ground ops channels from highly regarded paid
departments where maydays are stepped all over due to poor radio discipline?
The fire service is reactive by nature, if if Black Friday had never occurred PSS systems would not be an NFPA standard today. Each member from the to the IC down to the probie has to take a personal inventory after each job and ask him/herself how they can be better and safer next time.
I think in a forum such as this positivity is key. Every member can learn something from every run...
Stay Safe and Hydrate...

Food for thought, answer these to yourself (not in the forum) and decide how experienced you "really" are:
If a FAST is activated chances are shitt has hit the proverbial fan and interior conditions are less than ideal...
**Assume training does not count there is significantly less stress during training burns so it is much easier to think clearly.**
Have you ever preformed a primary search in a zero viability environment with a moderate to high heat condition?
Have you ever preformed forcible entry under conditions mentioned above?
Do you know enough about building construction to understand dangers specific to the variety buildings you may be searching?
Do you know where the most dangerous place to be is during a fire?
Do you have an idea of how much fire you can actually control with a water can?
Do you have enough experience to know when a rescue effort becomes a recovery effort?
If you were trapped, would you want yourself coming in after you?