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BUT!!!, he can only wear it in Millwood...

OK, if the " CHP " is in command of all Highway incidents, then so be it.... FD, EMS, need to meet with the CHPD, after the call with the top brass and iron out just what each divisions needs and wants in place prior to performing on a highway....
The Battalion Chief should have the right to say, in order to have my men operate at this type of scene, we require " X " lanes shut down, so that we are safe. They can go back and forth and come to sone agreeable solution...
There is always another side to each disagreement, and the CHP has to keep traffic moving, as the FD needs to realize what happens when it is not flowing...
My hat is bigger then yours !!

Thanks Capt. - being my first time on roof venting, Mark and I did our best... I will say, with the 16 inches of snow, plus the maybe ..... 6 inches of slush and water, finding the roof was tough. I was really afraid of a collapse with the snow load and a fire weakening the structural members... The sight of smoke coming up behind the base flashings and under the copper counter flashing was wild, never thought I would see that...
Nor did I think I would see a 12x14 walk in wood shed up there ( with a gas grill, snow blower and other odds and ends ) 3 plastic garbage cans loaded with ice and water, over growth of bushes coming onto the roof, by.... 4 foot, plus spare propane bottles...
Building departments needs to look into this type of storage, I am sure the building was not designed to carry those loads up there......

Looks more like a pizza delievery bag...

I agree 100% here.... was that for a gathering of mourners or a frat party... lets keep it to the matter at hand... I agree about any money being collected through taxes being used for alcohol, regardless if its career or volunteer... Bottom line its wrong... and this time it was from a career department.
The union was wrong...

The money earned through paychecks is your salary, you worked hard for it, you have the right to do what you want with it... No argueement... and if everyone kicked in money from their salary, we would not be typing here. But they didn't...
In these economics times, when people are being laid off, work is slow, unemployment is high, and cities are being faced with having to cut back on employees, the union really did not think this through. Sure they have an agreement for funds to show honor to its fallen members, and the city had an unwritten rule against paying for alcohol. So use the funds for food and what ever services are needed. The union should of opted to pay for the alcohol from their own accounts. Then there would of been no problems.
Look at it from the eyes of someone who is on unemployment or food stamps, and can only get so much money each week to live on. That $ 11K or 7K is allot of money which could feed alot of hungry people.
and X635 - the last time I saw that much spent on alcohol was in college at a Frat Party, sorry, I do not get out that much anymore...

The money earned through paychecks is your salary, you worked hard for it, you have the right to do what you want with it... No argueement... and if everyone kicked in money from their salary, we would not be typing here. But they didn't...
In these economics times, when people are being laid off, work is slow, unemployment is high, and cities are being faced with having to cut back on employees, the union really did not think this through. Sure they have an agreement for funds to show honor to its fallen members, and the city had an unwritten rule against paying for alcohol. So use the funds for food and what ever services are needed. The union should of opted to pay for the alcohol from their own accounts. Then there would of been no problems.
Look at it from the eyes of someone who is on unemployment or food stamps, and can only get so much money each week to live on. That $ 11K or 7K is allot of money which could feed alot of hungry people.
and X635 - the last time I saw that much spent on alcohol was in college at a Frat Party, sorry, I do not get out that much anymore...

Well, very presumptuous (or clairvoyant) of you to assume what other Members are thinking. It seems like the Union doesn't need help discrediting themselves here. Just like in volleyball, sometimes when someone sets you, you spike it. And coming from a Union that has had 14 line of duty deaths in 10 years, with all associated expenses paid by the Union, I have no qualms about saying so.
As for the secondary debate that has evolved, in full disclosure, I think use of taxpayer funds to stock bars at volunteer stations is equally unethical and an abuse.

I agree 100% here.... was that for a gathering of mourners or a frat party... lets keep it to the matter at hand... I agree about any money being collected through taxes being used for alcohol, regardless if its career or volunteer... Bottom line its wrong... and this time it was from a career department.
The union was wrong...

I'm kind of surprised anyone is defending the choice to use more than $11,000 of taxpayers money for alcohol. If the BFD Union wanted to raise the funds for it, that would be a different story.

Yes, I think it would be wise to start looking into something like this happening and setting up a game plan ( if you will ) BUT why does the County have to set this up and why does it fall in the hands of the Dept's who has tracks in it ?? Yes, they may have to one day deal with this type of headache, but I really think the cure should start with the Railroads.... Metro North and Amtrack should spear head this and take the bull by the horns and start contacting the Dept's around their tracks and work with them.... ( when a developer wants to build something really big, they usually offer something to the FD's to help deal with a new " issue ", so that it does not have to be dealt with by the tax payers ) and then set up special training with RR officials who know this the best and work on procedures which will need to be followed... They should tell us what equipment have, which can assist us in an incident ( much like Con Ed has been doing )....
I have trouble with being taxed for MTA useage, and for having one of their largest repair shops in my district ( which we protect and serve with no funds coming to our " Services " ) and now " we " ( taxpayers ) have to foot the bill for training, equipment, etc... for a problem which could happen with their lines and trains !! I thinks its time for them to step up to the plate, and start teaching us ( I took Stiloskis heavy truck class, and really learned allot there ) what is the best way to stablized a train, cut into a train, and learn what NOT to do...They should show us just how long it would be before they can get an Emergency Crew there.... They have plenty of old trains which just get cut up, so use them like we train with cars and trucks and help us get better at something which could happen... I for one, as well many guys from Croton would jump at that type of training...
Then once they are " ALL ABOARD !! ", then start a planning session and get a real plan in place...
So calling Spanky the day off, its helpful, but it would be best to preplan and call Spanky NOW !!! tell him they need to train us... they need to get things planned out and ready for they day we wish never happens...

I vote for stopping Parades !!! I hate them, and would rather spend the hours spent, pulling everything off the engine, cleaning them, testing them and making sure everything is perfect - and instead spend that time training... Hands on...

According to me, yes one.... but my Chief will always tell me to wait for a co pilot...
BUCK UP ??? is this a term that they use in the rest of the USA ??? I am not sure how this is done .....
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So there you go boys and girls,enough holes in the times to drive a tanker through. Did Banksville's tanker respond at 16:19 or 16:27? What arrived on scene at 16:28, E157, E158, or both? Read through this thread and see how different the times are from one person to the next. Who knows who's right, and who cares? Once again, a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking and commentary by people who were not involved whatsoever, speculating and criticizing with incomplete, inaccurate information. I fail to see what is gained by all of this. My two cents.

OK, here's a question... these FF were all on duty and working, sitting around the firehouse right ? were other FF's call in ( back fill ) for these 50 + guys?
If no one was called in and no overtime had to be issued, there was really no cost involved. The helicopter ( knowing nothing about what they do everyday, or the hours a day they fly ) but its not like a indendant contractor was call in, so the cost was really nothing more then fuel, which should be absorbed with daily runs... I am only guessing here.
So there was no really extra cost to the City, if all above is true.... and yes, it can go down as a training exercise, what better real life training is that... do everything safely and double check all, no rushing around...granted it is not in totally controled conditions, but in the real world, nothing is...
Bottom line is this, taxpayers pay for the salaries and assume if help is needed, it will come, even if is for a dog... hell, I once spent $ 4 k for 2 days trying to save my 3 year old German Shephard who was sick. Pets become a family member, and the value of them is priceless to us, many would risk their own lives for...
My hats off the these guys for doing that, they are real stand up guys, and if I lived there, I would be very proud of my Fire Department !!

Wow, if memorys serve me right, just last week we were all reminded to stop taken things personally... I never called out this officer, just the practice of not using the waist strap, and it is multipled by being on an aerial ladder... To the officer in question, I apologize if he or anyone thinking I am trying to make him look bad... I am not !!!

a statement made from someone without an open mind.... your profile states your 21 -24, do you know anything about the people writing comments here.... I fought my first structure fire before you were born.... open your mind and see what I was pointing out, not putting down a " brother " of yours ....

not sure about many others, but just about all of the NYS and County courses I have taken in the last 10 years have had classroom lessons were pictures ( power point presentations ) and videos are shown to the students... pictures which are used to make a point, to teach and to improve what we take from the class.... yes, when the lights go off, I am awake and watching and learning... if your statement is true, then maybe the designers who are creating our courses need to stop the practice of using photos... I signed up for this site to be able to discuss issues and to better myself.. not to put anyone down...
maybe 4 - 5 years ago, a Yorktown Chief was ripped apart for not wearing gloves during overhaul operations, and his picture was posted here... points were made and we discussed it... whats the big deal... all sides were heard.

so I guess your Department's safety officer is nothing more then a witch....
Yes, in my own department, we will address issues like this... as a senior member I will step forward and warn members when they are doing unsafe actions... is it not what we are supposed to do ? are we not supposed to look out for each others backs, and do what ever we can do to keep each other safe ?
Or should we just shut our mouth and let things happen as they may.... if he fell off that ladder, and was put to an end... would everyone juts go home and say oh well ?, I should of said something to " LOUIE "?? would it bother anyone that they never stepped forward and said something ?? but I am sure everyone would find a way to place blame on the fire dept. for not providing proper safety equipment.. then who is responsible.... the safety officer, chiefs, and line officers...
Maybe 2 months ago, or less, a question was put forth about what can be done to get more people to start posting, so I elected to step forward and start posting.... I see the reason why I did not post much in the first few years here, no matter what you say or state, someone out there is going to be upset and start whining... and you become the bad guy, which will only get people to just read and leave... if they even bother to come back, is that what EMTBRAVO is about ?
To close, I did not attack the officer.... I do not care if he is a Career man or a Volunteer.... stop reading this as a personal attack on an individual... I care that this practice continues today, and hope no one every falls victem to it..

I would not say safety police, just point out one thing that I feel is extremely dangers.... I did not point out about the coat, lack of hood, or gloves.... as I don not find that a major issue, and i have fallen to not being perfect either... I was mainly asking about the danger of a hanging waist strap and coming down an aerial ladder...

yes it can be what " if " ed to death, but that one second, could lead to his death...

I am NOT attacking that officer personally in any way shape or form, I do not know him and have no problems with him... I just stated the danger of not wearing the Scott pack's straps while doing any operations above the ground.... If the picture was of him standing in front giving orders, and the straps hung down, I would not of cared.... but he is on an aerial ladder, and maybe by pointing this out to the younger/ newer guys, on the forum, that may think its cool because the more senior guys do it...., may give them the break, or opportunity to see what can really happen if you do not do things as taught and trained... If one guy agrees with this thought and starts always wearing them, then something was gained by this post...

well we should... If a manufacturer, Scott, tells the purchaser to wear the waist belts all the time, if your are trained to use them that way and it is written in the SOP ( or SOG's as some depts. have, do to legal reasons ) how you are to operate with a SCBA, and you fail to do this..... who's fault is it ? Just say he ( or any other firefighter ) were to fall off that aerial ladder, and a lawyer representing the Town ( city or Village ) in a legal suit, gets a hold of the picture, the fire fighter has no leg to stand on, as he was not using the equipment properly, he was not operating according to the SOP, and was not doing the job as he was trained.... the law suit may not favor well in his case....
So I brought this up, just to give people a heads up.. NOT TO PUT THIS OFFICER DOWN, OR NIT PICK

Let's face it, this is EMTBRAVO... it will always be like this... I just hope when the shoe is on the other foot and questions are asked, they will not be deleted, and others are not bashed for asking questions... Like it or not, we are all in GLASSHOUSES, and one day we may be in the hot seat...