201/65

Very similar to the other articulating platforms in the US market (Rosenbauer/Metz & Pierce/Bronto) this boom is imported. Everything below the turntable is Spartan.

The CONCEPT truck on display at FDIC is a Renault Chassis with Gimaex body. The current plan is that the truck will be produced here in the US by Spartan Chassis and available to all OEMs who currently offer Spartan Chassis.

CHARLOTTE, Mich. (April 10, 2012) – Spartan Motors, Inc. (NASDAQ: SPAR) today announced the major building blocks of a global emergency response (ER)strategy that will serve as the foundation for Spartan’s continued growth in the North American and global marketplace.

Spartan has one of the highest market recognition names in the fire service, and now they decided to bring both of these great brands together under one name.

http://www.spartanerv.com

For those of you interested, here are the voting roll calls for the recently passed legislation.

NYS Assembly:

S06735 Relates to persons joining certain public retirement systems after April 1, 2012

• DATE: 03/15/2012 YEA/NAY: 92/46

YEA:

Amedore, Arroyo, Barclay, Benedet, Blanken, Boyle, Braunst, Brennan, Brindis, Bronson, Brook-K, Calhoun, Canestr, Castell, Clark, Conte, Corwin, Crouch, Curran, Cusick, Cymbrow, Duprey Englebr, Farrell, Finch Fitzpat, Friend, Gabrysz, Galef, Gantt, Giglio, Goldfed, Goodell, Gottfri, Gunther, Hanna, Hawley, Hevesi, Hikind, Hooper, Jordan, Kavanag, Kolb, Lavine, Lentol, Lifton, Lope PD, Lope VJ, Losquad, Lupardo, Magee, Magnare, Malliot, Markey, McKevit, McLaugh, Mill D, Mill JM, Montesa, Morelle, Nolan, Oaks, O'Donne, Ortiz, Palmesa, Paulin, Perry, Pretlow, Quart, Ra, Reilich, Rive PM, Rodrigu, Rosenth, Russell, Sayward, Schimel, Schimmi, Silver, Simanow, Simotas, Sweeney, Tedisco, Thiele, Titone, Smardz, Tobacco, Walter, Weinste, Weisenb, Weprin, & Zebrows

NAY:

Abbate, Abinant, Aubry ,Barron, Boyland, Butler, Cahill, Camara, Castro, Ceretto , Colton, Cook, Crespo, Dinowit, Gibson, Glick, Graf, Jacobs, Jaffee, Jeffrie, Johns, Katz, Kellner, Lancman, Linares, Maisel, McDonou, McEneny, Meng, Mill MG, Millman, Moya, Murray, Peoples, Rabbitt, Raia, Ramos, Reilly, Rive J, Rive N, Roberts, Ryan, Saladin, Stevens, Tenney, & Titus

Excused or Abstained:

Burling, DenDekk, Espinal, Heastie, Latimer, Robinso, Scarbor, & Wright

NYS Senate:

S6735-2011 Votes

FLOOR VOTE: - Mar 14, 2012

All units with the exception of Cornwall M-401 are back in service. 401 remaining on scene for fire watch.

This is a topic for another thread, but is there a "Orange County Standard" for a 2nd/3rd/4th/Ect alarm?

No there are not. Some departments don't even use any alarm system.

My 2 cent rant

It's pretty pathetic that these rumors got started on these social sites that people are missing. This was never the case. I listened to the initial 5 hours of the fire, at no time were maydays ever called. Another thing is at 12:30 it was not a "7th alarm" as some moran put out there. There were a few firefighters that lost radio contact for a very few minutes that's it. What I did hear was there was firefighters who disobeyed command when they were told DO NOT go inside and DO NOT go on the roof. This happened at least 6 times! The radio system in OC is a joke and I blame that. When you have a major fire and you have people using low band, VHF & UHF. It's 2012 assign firegrounds & have firefighting on one channel, water ops on another and so forth.

I will say command sounded like he did a good job and the fact of on 2 firefighters being transported yesterday for minor injuries is great (although we never want any injuries)

Jim

Jim,

I think I know where the missing firefighters comments came from.

About 2 hours into the incident, well AFTER command had broadcast exterior operations only, and within 10 mins of it being announced that fire had extended throughout the rest of the building. A mutual aid unit came up on the radio (46.22 OC Truck-Truck) and advised command that a group of 8 - 10 firefighters lead by Cornwall Firefighter ******* had just entered. Command attempted to call the FF on the radio without success, then called the mutual aid unit who reported it to relay to the crew. His response was we have lost sight of them at this time. This was followed by a 10 - 15 minute period of them attempting to call the FF by name and reach anyone inside. Then that all stopped abruptly, and it was never announced on that channel, which seemed to be commands primary channel, that anyone or everyone was found. It was quite some time later that a similar incident occurred, which then command asked for an official accountability report. So while they may not have been injured or lost, they were most certainly missing.

As far as the OC cluster f*ck that is our radio system, most of the departments in that area of the county are set up to follow the county's UHF fireground system. Unfortunately Orange County's most vocal opponent to the new radio system, and seemingly anything else the county does about standardizing, is Cornwall Chief Hines. This UHF radio system, and more recently the apparatus standards and identifiers has been held up by the Orange County Legislatures Public Safety committee, you can read through those minutes on the Orange County website, under legislature, committees. You'll notice a member with the name of Hines, is quoted a few times making reference to "his chief" and "well I heard from". It is unfortunate that county politics has become so involved with decisions such as this.

I think Ulster has a good system. Department number, followed by apparatus number. Example: Plattekill. Chief; Car 47. Assistant chiefs: Car 47-1, 47-2, etc. Apparatus; 47-20, 47-50, etc. No department should be a single number. They should start at 10, or 11. I think Ulster starts at 15 for Accord, then they are in alphabetical order from there.

If you wanted to standardize a little, equipment numbers could be grouped as follows; Chief Officers= 1-9, engines= 10-19, rescue=20-29, truck=30-39, brush=40-49, tanker50-59, etc. I any one department, even in the town of Newburgh, would ever have more than 10 engines. Station numbers don't really matter.

Greenville: Car 15 (chief) 15-11 and 15-12 (engines) 15-20 (rescue) and 15-30(truck)

For the county officials; Coordinator; Car 36, and up from there( Don't know how many there really are)

I think it would be a whole lot easier than having so many car ones, engine ones, and truck ones on the air together. Of course, I guess that doesn't really matter anyway, since nobody is on the same frequency anyway.

Again, only my opinion

Unless we're going to have the exact same system as a bordering county the system shouldn't be to similar, it would easily cause confusion during emergencies. With that said, Ulster did it right with skipping the single digits and putting the department number in front. I can see that causing confusion in OC. Then they have no rhyme or reason past the department number, and normally don't verbalize the apparatus type. On the radio you hear just "Wallkill 64-25" and "Walker Valley 63-25" problem there is one's a heavy rescue and the other a tanker.

As for the Town of Newburgh, they already have more then 10 engines, and thats not including Plattekill or Coldenham.

Just my opinion but the numbering looks stupid and how can they require your department to carry specific equipment are they going to pay for it?

Just remember: KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid

This is just the problem with the fire service here, everyone wants it their own way. Its all basic equipment, save a few items. The fact that my town of 27,000 has 10 engines (3- 2500 Gal +), 4 rescues, 4 trucks, 4 tankers, 4 brush, and countless utilities is the only reason to bring up equipment cost. I think its great to be able to just request a rescue and know I'm getting at least that equipment and not a utility truck with EMS equipment and a comi-tool.

111,

While most FD's in OC don't run EMS, they all run into it, so being prepared is the name of the game. #1 cause of LODD in the US are medically related, so we need to be able to protect ourselves. As for departments that don't run automatically to EMS calls, neither of mine do, they have been dispatched when EMS is delayed or not immediately available. Just like the fire and rescue equipment on the truck, if you aren't properly trained to use it, don't.

As for the apparatus designators, I feel it is better than what we currently have, but still not great. By far the best thing out of this whole mess is the apparatus standards, they could still use some tweaks but are a great start.

Newburgher,

Whose system would you recommend? I think they all have their flaws.

Disclaimer: I had NO involvement with the development of these systems

City of Newburgh will posting shortly.

So Benedictine is still open? Interesting. I seem to remember they don't have an ER anymore tho?

After the state recommended the merger of Kingston and Benedictine Hospitals they became "Health Alliance of the Hudson Valley". They did major renovations and added an addition onto the Kingston Hospital Campus ER and closed the Benedictine ER. Anyone being admitted for psychiatric reasons is transferred by ambulance to the Benedictine campus. Benedictine has specialized inpatient units for mental health, detox, cancer care, and orthopedic rehabilitation, while Kingston has the specialized units for emergency medicine, stroke, OB/Birthing, and cardiology.

Great shots! It seems like Dutchess County is a busy place.

Very interesting piece! Especially given the year. I don't even know if or who sold Ferrara's in the north yet, or if they even were building ladder trucks. I know their aerials right now come from Smeal, but who built the actual aerial device? I would imagine 65' was all the ladder could take structurally when it has to accomodate low profile.

From only seeing the photo of it posed and it at work, I agree with x129k. It is a great looking truck, that seems to be very well spec'd for the area it serves and can get in where other trucks can't. Also, does this truck still have to fit into a very small bay (seem low height and short wheelbase/body), and when it is replaced, is there any manufacturer that could do this nowadays?

http://fishkillfd.or...?page=apparatus

Judging by the logo just behind the tip of the aerial, it appears to be build by R.K. Aerial. R.K. is now known as Rosenbauer Aerials, who according to their website offer a 60' aerial.

Date: August 1, 2011

Time: 09:50ish

Location: 74 Fitzgerald Ct. x Rt. 17M

Frequency: OC Fire Disp., OC F1, OC F2, & Monroe UHF FG

Units Operating: Monroe Stations 1, 1a, 2, & 3, Woodbury Truck 504, Washngtonville FAST, South Blooming Grove E-587, Chester E-911, Greenwood Lake E-620, Tuxedo E-574, Salisbury Mills E-560, Monroe VAC 413 & 414F, Mobile Life ALS 286 & 295, Warwick VAC 202 & 204

Units Standing By: Chester T-917 & Cornall E-400 --> Monroe Sta. 1, Warwick E-634 --> Monroe Sta. 3, Vails Gate E-481. --> Highland Mills (Woodbury), New Hampton E-722 --> Chester Sta. 1, West Milford (NJ) E-4 --> Greenwood Lake FH, Maybrook E-218 --> Salisbury Mills Sta. 1, Campbell Hall Ta-904 & Montgomery E-223 --> Washingtonville FH

Coordinators/FI's: 36-15, 36-101, 36-103, 36-109, & EMS 1

Weather Conditions: Hot & Humid

Description Of Incident: Working Fire in a multiple family wood frame, fire in 2 of 10 units

Reporters:

Writer: 201/65

10 Min Check: Cmd reports heavy fire from the rear of a multiple family wood frame, multiple apartments involved, multiple lines in operation, fire not under control. Also advises multiple pts for EMS to evaluate

20 Min Check: Cmd reports same status as last, add an ALS ambulance, move up 2 engines and back fill off the 3rd

30 Min Check: Same status, 3 engines to stage for relief purposes

40 Min Check: Didn't catch it

50 Min Check: Still active fire, contained to 1 section because of the fire wall

Move 2 engines up from staging (911 & 620), keep apparatus and tools on 17M, manpower only needed

60 Min Check: Fire contained to 2 end units of 10 units in building, operations but not the fire are under control

70 Min Check: Fire knocked down & under control, overhaul in progress

80 Min Check: Units still operating, operations are status quo, requesting add'l FI, 36-103 required rehab

EMS requesting add'l rehab supplies & misting fans to the scene

90 Min Check: Units still operating, no change

12:05hrs: Cmd reports fire under control, awaiting an excavator at this time

12:30hrs: Staging terminated, starting to release m/a

12:44hrs: EMS reports 1 pt being txp ALS to Arden Hill, Mobile Life 286 enroute as ALS replacement

Former quarters of Eagle Engine Co. & Rescue Hook & Ladder Co., U.S. Rt 9, Hyde Park, NY

Any ideo on make,or where it came from??

1987 Chevy/Swab

Purchased from the Walden Fire District, Orange County, who bought it used from Park Ridge, NJ in 1996.

** Photo courtesy www.OCNYFire.com **

Mt. Vernon also purchased a used walk-in light rescue late last year, I believe the intent was a mask service unit.

While children get their fingers stuck in seat belts adults get stuck in others.

http://www.recordonl...0260363/-1/NEWS

Date: May 31, 2011

Time: Approx 0735hrs

Location: Dutchess Plaza 1582 U.S. Rte 9, x E. Main St. & New Hackensack Rd.

Frequency: Dispatch 1, Response 2, Command 3, & Fire Ground 29

Units Operating: Wappingers 68-11 & 12, New Hamburg 53-11, 13, & 45, Village of Fishkill 42-13, Hughsonville 45-46 & 55, New Hackensack 52-31, Dutchess Co Fire Investigators, Mobile Life Medic 293, & SORT 3

Relocations: New Hackensack 52-13 --> WF Sta. 1, Arlington 32-15 --> WF Sta. 2, Chelsea 35-12 --> New Hamburg Sta. 1, & La Grange 47-13 --> New Hamburg Sta. 2

Weather Conditions: Warm & Sunny

Description Of Incident: Working fire in a commercial strip

Reporters:

Writer: 201/65

Approx 50 minutes into the incident Wappingers Command reported fire knocked down.

Finally moving around to the rear and top.

This compartment contains a portable winch, towing hitches, 14ft roof ladder, 10ft folding ladder, little giant ladder, cones, traffic barricades, and long 4x4s. Looking to add sheets of plywood and trench pads.

The compartment on the left contains various rope bags, various rope hardware, harnesses, and helmets.

The compartment on the right contains a 30 gal water tank, stop/slow signs on 6ft poles, a 6 gal foam tank, and spare 5 gal foam pail.

The compartment on the left contains a 30 gal water tank, circular saw, 2 electric sump pumps, and 100 ft rolled 1 3/4 hose

The compartment on the right contains a chain saw, various shovels, brooms, oil pads, and oil booms.

Moving around to the driver side, which holds most of the technical rescue equipment.

The compartment on the left contains light tower controls, exhaust fan, drivers SCBA & gear storage below. On the top slide out is the stokes, backboards, EMS kits, some hooks, a cord reel, paratech vehicle, and monopod struts.

The compartment on the right contains 4 cold water rescue suits, 8 life vests & helmets, life ring, rescue throw bags, fire extinguishers, and CAFS controls. Swift water dry suits on order will also go into this compartment.

The compartment on the left contains spare SCBA & O2 bottles, various rope bags, add-on 4:1, rescue harnesses & helmets, anchor straps, and various rope hardware.

The compartment on the right contains all the gas powered equipment, and is the only compartment not connected to rest, it contains a gas powered hyraulic pump, electric powered hydraulic pump, small electric generator, K950 saw w/ various blades, saw tool kit, oil, gas cans, speedy dry refill hose, and empty bucket to spread the speedy dry, which is dispensedunter underneath at the bumper.

Starting with the passanger side, which contains mostly extrication equipment.

The compartment on the left has the small and large tool boxes, chains, floor & bottle jacks, come-a-long, 3 saws-alls, air chisle, extension cords, and various hand tools.

The compartment on the right has most of the stabilization equipment, with wood & composite cribbing below, and paratech struts above. It also contains a stokes, backboards, EMS kits, some hooks, and a cord reel.

The compartment on the left contains the mounted hydraulic pump, cutter, 2 spreaders, 2 rams, all the hurst accesories, & spare hoses.

The compartment on the right contains tarps, air bags, and drill guns.

OK nobody talked about the fact that there is NO gate at this boat launch site or railing at all from what I can see. Is this a town park and how far is it from the nearest house? I'm only going by the photos that I have viewed on TV or in the paper. I used to drive truck in that area, but that was in the 70's and it did not look like that back then. Maybe the gate whould not have stopped her from doing what she did but maybe some one may have heard the car hitting the gate and got the those kids in time after she got threw . Anybody ?

Its a commercial area, with no residential for a few blocks. If you look at this map the boat ramp is just south of Gully's.

So at what time were the additional dive teams requested, AND, when did they call out responding? If so, were the called in an "emergency response" mode, versus called as a recovery team? Even if they were a 'backup' (as a FASTeam would), compare the times, and are they acceptable?

I do not know much about this incident, or any units involved, I am going on what the news outlets, and here are reporting, I am just throwing out some food for thought.

Listening to the fire side only, the chief called for the NPD Dive Unit immediatly, and if there are divers already on duty they normally begin assembiling immediatly upon dispatch. After the FD realized they couldn't locate the vehicle quickly, and they were going off a 10 y/o child's report, that walked to the fire house easily a few minutes run up hill from the river. They called for West Point FDs Marine Unit to search for the vehicle, obviously now a recovery several teams were requested for the search. Once NPD divers located the vehicle all add'l resources were cancelled.

As far as response times, with the exception of the NPD Dive Unit, nothing is close to acceptable for rescue in this area of Orange County. NYSP has a dive unit out of I belive Troop F HQ in Middletown, and NYSP was on scene so that dive unit may also have been on scene.

For this area of OC the dive teams, in my best judgement of travel times.

City of Newburgh Police

Hughsonville VFD (by land or river)

NY State Police (by land)

Dutchess Co SO (by land or river)

Stony Point & Thiells VFD (by land or river)

Sparrowbush & Port Jervis VFD (by land)

Monroe VFD (by land)

Ulster Co SO (by land or river)

Ulster Hose VFD (by land)

ONE firefighter for rehab? How effective is that going to be?

A 1 to 9 ratio for FF rehab isn't as horrible as it seems, although a second would be helpful

42 minutes from request to "responding" and then another 17 minutes between the time a team says they're responding and they're actually responding? WTF?

First, your numbers are off, City of Newburgh PD Dive Unit was the first requested and on scene, the ___ County Team was requested MUCH later.

Second, there was a representative on the air responding and divers assembling, they never claimed to have the full team responding.

If it takes an hour to get a dive team out why bother? Just let the police recover the bodies.

When are we going to stop representing that we have resources that we don't. If the response time is an hour it's a recovery team not a rescue team.