Its 3am... Working House Fire - Children inside

[TR54 239]

Its 3 o'clock in the morning ... you arrive at a two story house with fire showing... bedrooms are upstairs with TOT FINDER decals displayed....

With Proper PPE and a charged attack line... crews enter the residence for a search.....

Edited April 4, 2007 by TR54

[Guest partyrock]

and then...

[TR54 239]

The crew goes up the stairs to find .........a reflective TOT FINDER near the bottom of the door .... below the smoke condition...

Edited April 3, 2007 by TR54

[Guest bibbles10504]

Where is the point to this?.....

Edited April 3, 2007 by bibbles10504

[TR54 239]

Inside hallway

Edited April 4, 2007 by TR54

[JM15 386]

I don't understand the point of this either anything further?

[antiquefirelt 994]

Are you trying to sell us on a 21st century Tot-finder iniative? You realize the first Tot-finder program was banished after all the people moved or kids changed rooms. How will we know if the Tot finder was placed there by the current tenants? If you don't have verification from the parents would you not look in the room with the sticker on it?

Sorry to be so skeptical, but we still find Tot-finder stickers on apartment windows and once and awhile people ask for them.

[Guest]

You enter and there is no one inside......

Edited April 3, 2007 by nutty1

[TR54 239]

Parents are still always asking for tot finders... a thourgh search of ever room could turn up with positive results.....

the possiblity of the decal being current on the interior ?

compared to the outside...

Edited April 3, 2007 by TR54

[TR54 239]

Just something you might come across ,,, interior TOT finders decals to help in a search

Edited April 3, 2007 by TR54

[Guest bibbles10504]

I'm still not really sure what the point of this is.... If it is 3am, and you show up to a working structure fire and you are told that there are kids in the room you should search the room whether or not there is a tot sticker. If people are going to put up tot finder stickers they should make sure that is actually the kids room, and if they change rooms, take the tot sticker off.

Edited April 3, 2007 by bibbles10504

[efd184 59]

TR54

i have had my tot finder on my door of my apt. for a year now in the location of your drawings you posted along with a union sticker leting the guys know in yonkers that there is a fellow brother along with young children in the apt.

i lefty a bunch in my hallway hoping the other people in my building follow and do the same. i think that its a great idea to have them at the bottom of the doors and if used the right way by parents it would greatly help us in searches.

Edited April 4, 2007 by efd184

[Guest]

Let's be honest though, how many of us actually think we'll even see those stickers in a heavily charged hallway.. I think VES is the best option of all.

[Guest]

How many parents actually close the door to their childs/childrens bedrooms when they go to sleep?

[Guest car2267]

tot finders are a good idea, but correct me if i am wrong but didnt the tot finders go by the wayside when there was a big problem with child molesters and abductors. Having an external tot finder is kind of advertising that there are small children in the residence.

[JM15 386]

2267 never thought or heard about that but it does make sense

[IzzyEng4 427]

So what if there are tot finder and invalid stickers! You should always conduct primary and secondary searches!

But what happens when a child gets scared and is not in the room when the tot finder sticker is? Problem, I think so. Time for plan B and get away from tunnel vision, and get another search team in operation (on top of the two that should be working).

[firemoose827 324]

Its 3 o'clock in the morning ... you arrive at a two story house with fire showing...  bedrooms are upstairs with TOT FINDER decals displayed....

With Proper PPE and a charged attack line... crews enter the residence for a search.....

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I think its an add for the EMT Bravo Flashlights!!!

[Guest alsfirefighter]

I'm with shanks..when I just read the title on the main page I was thinking VES, and I didn't think about the tot finder stickers. I'd keep it in my mind that when I got to that room that a child might be in there, but my search priorities would remain the same.

[firecapt32 282]

I'm with ALS ves and sound judgement making a search will give me the indications of a childs room--not a tot finder.

[Guest alsfirefighter]

The bigger questions is how many person remove these stickers if they move etc.?

Also just wanted to add that I believe that there has never been a single documented case of any child abuction or other criminal act attributed to these stickers. Also there are many fire departments whom do not get involved in the program for many of the reasons stated in regard to not changing search priorities/tactics and stickers that are not removed. Many can be found by using a search engine under tot finder or tot finder risks.