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Village of Mamaroneck 1972 Mack CF Engine 41 photo Glenn Vincent

Port Chester Seagrave tiller. This rig must have seen a lot of fire duty in its time. It just went out of service a few years back correct? Gotta love the open tiller cab and to think the tillerman was still tooling around the village in an open tiller cab in the 2000's Cool. Photo by Mike Martinelli

Next time Pleasantville "patrols" and some more Macks.

Another great looking Maxim tiller. White Plains Ladder 1. I believe this pic was taken at a parade in Nassau County. I guess back in the day rigs from Westchester and Nassau would attend each other parades more then they do today. Love the "bubble" window in the tiller cab.

I love Maxims, and the semi open cab looked great especially on tillers. Here is a delivery photo from Maxim of New Rochelle Ladder 2.
What would be interesting is if someone has a photo of this rig towards the end of its career. We can compare the different looks it had from untouched delivery fresh to years of fire duty and additions and modifications made by the department that ran it.

Village of Mamaroneck 1963 Seagrave Engine 39 photo by Glenn Vincent

Village of Mamaroneck 1972 Mack CF Engine 41 photo Glenn Vincent

Hastings on Hudson Eng.3 a Seagrave Anniversary series Engine.

A friend of mine passed away a few months ago and his family gave me his collection of photos. There are boxes filled with photos, negatives, slides and manufacturer delivery photos. Going through it and scanning the good stuff I see there is some Westchester stuff. I'm going to put the good quality stuff up in this thread. He did a lot of photo buying/ trading so if there is a photographers name on the slide I will post it along with the image. First up is a 1964 ALF tiller from Hasting on Hudson.....Ron Bogardus photo.

North Tarrytown/Sleepy Hollow another classic Mack C Glen Vincent photo

On the slide it says 1965 Mack C/1982 E-One....did Golden's Bridge refurb this truck at some point? photo Glenn Vincent


Thanks for the info, and it does look like a city rig!

Thanks for the info and it does look like a city rig at that!

Goldens Bridge Mack CF

Here it was at the Yorktown Parade the other night:
 

 
 

This accident ripped through our neighborhood like a tornado, suddenly leaving neighbors dead and lives shattered. Most have recovered and moved on however it is still a painful memory deep inside. We went from what was like a suburban ideal newsreel existence with apple blossoms and a good life to having a freight train crash through the screen and plow into the audience. Followed by months of first hand experience of traumatic medical care and death.
 
   Trains fascinated me as a child. Our grammar school bus went through the Valley Cottage crossing a few minutes earlier. I saw the green train signal light and told my friend "A train is coming". A few minutes later it would kill his brother unbeknownst to either of us.
 
   The school children who went home for lunch came back and told us of a train hitting a bus in Valley Cottage. This was just children's weirdness to my 11 year old mind. When Mr Pelleteir came and took me out of class to wait in his office I knew something bad was happening. Mr Pelleteir and Bradley asked me if I had anything to say. I just said "no" and they said something like 'good soldier' or such. My father picked me up and we went to the scene where the back half of the bus was still at the crossing upside down. We later toured the hospital which was like a war triage. Father Eisler said to me "You're a man now". I remember seeing my neighbor in his hospital room. His entire face was one solid scab. He later totally recovered with no lasting damage. 
 
             My sister had a broken pelvis and other breaks and a minor head injury. My cousin was in that back section and had badly broken legs. I remember visiting him in the hospital with his legs up in traction for what seemed like months. The next year I remember my cousin catching up to me while we were running away from juvenile pranks. Both totally recovered. 
 
        The deaths were something we never spoke of amongst each other and I mean never. It was like a taboo. It was a dark spirit you just didn't touch.   
 
            
 
         

I disagree, there are times you should hear language like that but it should only be used when its needed like "Get the F out of the building".  
 
This is from Brooklyn.  If it was from the Bronx the reply you would hear would be something to the effect of "Act like you've done this before" or "Are there any professionals on the second floor?"

BMA

Here's their 1931 Ahrens Fox out  on display tonight it served from 1931- 1961 They are looking to restore it to original condition in the next couple of years

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"One and one" to the scene is pretty much the norm in most places when an extra alarm is struck.  Most of the time one and one is also sent to standby at a departments quarters as well.  The next alarm the units standing by move up to the scene and a new set of "one and one" go to the firehouse.  Not everywhere but most places.
 
You also have to consider these are career departments.  Taking one and one form some of the smaller ones may leave that department with nothing left of on duty personnel until a recall or a mutual aid to their department is requested. 
 
Also they will only call other career departments so this limits the amount of assistance they can call many times. 

"One and one" to the scene is pretty much the norm in most places when an extra alarm is struck.  Most of the time one and one is also sent to standby at a departments quarters as well.  The next alarm the units standing by move up to the scene and a new set of "one and one" go to the firehouse.  Not everywhere but most places.
 
You also have to consider these are career departments.  Taking one and one form some of the smaller ones may leave that department with nothing left of on duty personnel until a recall or a mutual aid to their department is requested. 
 
Also they will only call other career departments so this limits the amount of assistance they can call many times. 

"One and one" to the scene is pretty much the norm in most places when an extra alarm is struck.  Most of the time one and one is also sent to standby at a departments quarters as well.  The next alarm the units standing by move up to the scene and a new set of "one and one" go to the firehouse.  Not everywhere but most places.
 
You also have to consider these are career departments.  Taking one and one form some of the smaller ones may leave that department with nothing left of on duty personnel until a recall or a mutual aid to their department is requested. 
 
Also they will only call other career departments so this limits the amount of assistance they can call many times. 

 
Duplication of services is always going to be an issue, but so is geography. Depending on call volume and population also may justify more apparatus when factors are combined. I recently had a discussion with a career officer, and we both agreed that a staffed ladder company needed to be added to an area, not because of call volume or even fire load, but because of the distance the area was from other staffed ladders, all of which are in areas that are heavily populated and thus make relocation a bad prospect. 
 
As for the rescues, if you are going to compare apples and oranges to make a point, go right ahead. However the functions that most of those rescues in Nassau County are set up for are handled by truck companies in NYC, so to compare a truly honest example you would have to add in every truck company to those 5 rescues. You might even need to add in the Tac units and the Haz-Mat / Squad companies also. The numbers might show a little difference then.
 
Why are T-Shirts a bad thing? Don't they show company pride, just like having unit specific shoulder patches or even multiple variations of a union sticker for the same local? The fire service is nothing if not proud. How many guys have firematic rooms at home? Lots. I have seen more than I can count.
 
 
Why do we cry out about Quints as manpower killers but love Rescue/Engines?
 
Why do we never look at the historical reasons for all the departments & districts, some of which are certainly outdated? Many FDNY companies can cheerfully tell you exactly which volunteer company they trace their roots to. There is an example of a department that has certainly modernized but has not done it by totally eradicating history. NYC is a neighborhood oriented city. I think if efforts to consolidate did more than talk about what is broken they might be more successful. Nobody like to hear that they are the problem, even when they are. Coming in and announcing you can do it better or cheaper, while technically true is the proverbial vinegar that catches fewer flies.
 
There is work to be done, and identifying the problem is certainly a key step. I read about a career department (I forget where) a few years ago that closed and consolidated several companies because of a geographic feature in the city that no longer existed making the department have a great deal of duplication. I do not remember if the companies were closed via attrition or if they laid off, but it was a single department that took steps to modernize operations. However the article I read did not shy away from the area history and why things were the way they were, how the city had changed and it presented the department in a very respectful way.
 

Back in the day dedicated rescue rigs were needed to carry extrication equipment and other "rescue" tools.  How many remember the first generation Hurst tools and cutters?  A lot of space was needed for all this "stuff."  Each community needed such a rig to carry the equipment. 
 
Nowadays a properly spec'd out Ladder or Engine can carry all this equipment plus more.  Dedicated rescue rigs are really not needed in many Nassau Communities agreed. 
 
Once again the root of the problem comes back to history/tradition and leadership afraid of making a change.  Most of the time what you have is a dedicated rescue or patrol company (Westchester/rockland term) with a group of members with a history.  Sometimes a very old history.  That's the rig they use, a rescue truck.  As leadership in a particular department do you just take the rig away, sell it and disband the company?  Tell the membership they have to join other companies?  Nobody wants to be "that guy" to do such a thing.  Not saying its wrong...just putting the facts out there.
 
What you end up with is another form of "consolidation" that the fire service both volunteer AND career are afraid to entertain most of the time.
 
 
 
 

Great point.  I hate to compare FDNY to any other organization as they are in a world to their own.  Especially when it is said "FDNY only has 5 rescues for the whole....."  I have always thought that a weak argument.  What are we exactly talking about?  The equipment and function of the rig or the rig itself?
 
As babhits states volunteer rescue trucks are pretty much scene support units.  An FDNY heavy rescue has nothing in common with the average volunteer departments "heavy rescue" and should not be compared. 
 
The average volunteer departments rescue rig carries the extrication tool and anything that can't be stored on the other rigs.  FDNY ladder companies do the bulk of the auto extrications unless the accident happens to be in one of the rescue companies first due areas.   So if we are talking about extrication tools are we to compare the number of ladder companies with extrication tools in NY City vs. the number of rescue trucks in Nassau or Suffolk?   Many volunteer departments have one extrication tool on a heavy rescue rig.  Are we saying that there are too many extrication tools in Nassau or Suffolk or Westchester etc....?
 
If we are to argue for trimming certain departments fleets down looking at a rig that is for the most part a scene support unit might not be the rig to cut.  Maybe an Engine in some departments where one of three is always sitting in the station even during working fires.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Back in the day dedicated rescue rigs were needed to carry extrication equipment and other "rescue" tools.  How many remember the first generation Hurst tools and cutters?  A lot of space was needed for all this "stuff."  Each community needed such a rig to carry the equipment. 
 
Nowadays a properly spec'd out Ladder or Engine can carry all this equipment plus more.  Dedicated rescue rigs are really not needed in many Nassau Communities agreed. 
 
Once again the root of the problem comes back to history/tradition and leadership afraid of making a change.  Most of the time what you have is a dedicated rescue or patrol company (Westchester/rockland term) with a group of members with a history.  Sometimes a very old history.  That's the rig they use, a rescue truck.  As leadership in a particular department do you just take the rig away, sell it and disband the company?  Tell the membership they have to join other companies?  Nobody wants to be "that guy" to do such a thing.  Not saying its wrong...just putting the facts out there.
 
What you end up with is another form of "consolidation" that the fire service both volunteer AND career are afraid to entertain most of the time.
 
 
 
 

Great point.  I hate to compare FDNY to any other organization as they are in a world to their own.  Especially when it is said "FDNY only has 5 rescues for the whole....."  I have always thought that a weak argument.  What are we exactly talking about?  The equipment and function of the rig or the rig itself?
 
As babhits states volunteer rescue trucks are pretty much scene support units.  An FDNY heavy rescue has nothing in common with the average volunteer departments "heavy rescue" and should not be compared. 
 
The average volunteer departments rescue rig carries the extrication tool and anything that can't be stored on the other rigs.  FDNY ladder companies do the bulk of the auto extrications unless the accident happens to be in one of the rescue companies first due areas.   So if we are talking about extrication tools are we to compare the number of ladder companies with extrication tools in NY City vs. the number of rescue trucks in Nassau or Suffolk?   Many volunteer departments have one extrication tool on a heavy rescue rig.  Are we saying that there are too many extrication tools in Nassau or Suffolk or Westchester etc....?
 
If we are to argue for trimming certain departments fleets down looking at a rig that is for the most part a scene support unit might not be the rig to cut.  Maybe an Engine in some departments where one of three is always sitting in the station even during working fires.