robert benz

and members wonder why no one is on this site anymore. at least this wasn't a paid vs volunteer bashing. good job!

and members wonder why no one is on this site anymore. at least this wasn't a paid vs volunteer bashing. good job!

and members wonder why no one is on this site anymore. at least this wasn't a paid vs volunteer bashing. good job!

and members wonder why no one is on this site anymore. at least this wasn't a paid vs volunteer bashing. good job!

and members wonder why no one is on this site anymore. at least this wasn't a paid vs volunteer bashing. good job!

and members wonder why no one is on this site anymore. at least this wasn't a paid vs volunteer bashing. good job!

and members wonder why no one is on this site anymore. at least this wasn't a paid vs volunteer bashing. good job!

and members wonder why no one is on this site anymore. at least this wasn't a paid vs volunteer bashing. good job!

and members wonder why no one is on this site anymore. at least this wasn't a paid vs volunteer bashing. good job!

Danger, on 06 Mar 2015 - 10:33 PM, said:
ok here goes, the fire service in Westchester is FINE!!!! responses are great, fire ground accountability is perfect, manpower is more than enough.
NOW THATS THE DUMBEST THING WRITTEN IN THE HISTORY OF THIS WEBSITE!!!
Sorry to take away your title lad12erff.

Danger, on 06 Mar 2015 - 10:33 PM, said:
ok here goes, the fire service in Westchester is FINE!!!! responses are great, fire ground accountability is perfect, manpower is more than enough.
NOW THATS THE DUMBEST THING WRITTEN IN THE HISTORY OF THIS WEBSITE!!!
Sorry to take away your title lad12erff.

Do we owe the public the truth about their fire depts. ability to handle a structure fire? What I mean by that is we ask the taxpayers for money to run the dept, yet in truth, on any given day at any given time, it takes more than THAT dept to control the situation. Forget career / volunteer bs, this is across the board. This is not about the big one or needing a tanker/tender shuttle operation, this is the room and contents, fire that your patch on your sleeve proudly says WE CAN HANDLE.
Mutual aid to cover the empty fire houses, no problem.
Why is it the neighboring taxpayers responsibility to send its tax dollar funded dept to assist with your BASIC fire.
something is wrong here, and the longer we put our heads in the sand......................

Danger, on 06 Mar 2015 - 10:33 PM, said:
ok here goes, the fire service in Westchester is FINE!!!! responses are great, fire ground accountability is perfect, manpower is more than enough.
NOW THATS THE DUMBEST THING WRITTEN IN THE HISTORY OF THIS WEBSITE!!!
Sorry to take away your title lad12erff.

Do we owe the public the truth about their fire depts. ability to handle a structure fire? What I mean by that is we ask the taxpayers for money to run the dept, yet in truth, on any given day at any given time, it takes more than THAT dept to control the situation. Forget career / volunteer bs, this is across the board. This is not about the big one or needing a tanker/tender shuttle operation, this is the room and contents, fire that your patch on your sleeve proudly says WE CAN HANDLE.
Mutual aid to cover the empty fire houses, no problem.
Why is it the neighboring taxpayers responsibility to send its tax dollar funded dept to assist with your BASIC fire.
something is wrong here, and the longer we put our heads in the sand......................

New Ro and White Plains put a lot of planning and consideration into the safety of the high rises in their districts, However things happen and my favorite saying is " If things didn't happen that couldn't happen I would not have had a job "
Despite safeguards things happen, sprinkler failures, black outs. fire pump problems, explosions, high winids and remember the former Yankee pitcher learning to fly an airplane all of these things are unexpected and are just a couple that come to mind that could negate all the best plans, That is why a prepared fire department is paramount.
As 635 points out these structures exist here and both fore mentioned Departments would be hard pressed to place 30 men on the scene in a timely fashion, while the same fire in NYC would put about 164 members on the fire at it's onset, when first declared a high rise fire(1077),
These building would be a tough mutual aid problem .

Do we owe the public the truth about their fire depts. ability to handle a structure fire? What I mean by that is we ask the taxpayers for money to run the dept, yet in truth, on any given day at any given time, it takes more than THAT dept to control the situation. Forget career / volunteer bs, this is across the board. This is not about the big one or needing a tanker/tender shuttle operation, this is the room and contents, fire that your patch on your sleeve proudly says WE CAN HANDLE.
Mutual aid to cover the empty fire houses, no problem.
Why is it the neighboring taxpayers responsibility to send its tax dollar funded dept to assist with your BASIC fire.
something is wrong here, and the longer we put our heads in the sand......................

Danger, on 06 Mar 2015 - 10:33 PM, said:
ok here goes, the fire service in Westchester is FINE!!!! responses are great, fire ground accountability is perfect, manpower is more than enough.
NOW THATS THE DUMBEST THING WRITTEN IN THE HISTORY OF THIS WEBSITE!!!
Sorry to take away your title lad12erff.

Danger, on 06 Mar 2015 - 10:33 PM, said:
ok here goes, the fire service in Westchester is FINE!!!! responses are great, fire ground accountability is perfect, manpower is more than enough.
NOW THATS THE DUMBEST THING WRITTEN IN THE HISTORY OF THIS WEBSITE!!!
Sorry to take away your title lad12erff.

Glad I made history. Guess it's not dumber than parking 7 Engines on a 1 lane rd to transport manpower.

Really not sure what you are asking, but here goes. Each county gets allotted state fire instructors based on need. Not sure what formula is used, but as a sfi, you have to get certified by the state ofpc to instruct any classes you want to teach. As an sfi the main goal is to get ff-1 classes out to the folks. Sfi's try to teach what is in demand, but certification in certain classes may be limited. Each course taught uses up the state hours. Any hours not used go into a pool if other counties need them. Sfi's that are certified in multiple skills can teach the most courses, in turn getting more courses taught in that county. If you have sfi's not teaching that is a whole different story.
As far as I know, there is no list of instructors anywhere. I have been an sfi for 15 yrs. this is what I know of how the system works.

Great topic Chief==I think that most Fire Departments should take a real close look at them selves in a mirror and see what they see. Are they stuck in the 70's or 60's or worse yet 50's. We see time after time departments buying bigger--bigger--biggest--bester things. We all realize that especially in the volunteer service there is a erosion of manpower. In the career side its do more with less-- basically it's the same thing. How do we get everyone into the 21st century is the question.. better recruitment? incentives? training? community involvement?? getting home to our loved ones is a priority --- as I say in my classes---you didn't start the fire--- you joined to help your community. you cant do that if your not trained properly. 5 points I strive for -- get there--get there safely--do your job--do your job the best you can--get home to your loved ones.
I guess the answer might be in full disclosure. I once knew a Fire Chief that every meeting he went to stated that he did not have sufficient manpower.
So Chief there is not easy answer to your question just more questions

Do we owe the public the truth about their fire depts. ability to handle a structure fire? What I mean by that is we ask the taxpayers for money to run the dept, yet in truth, on any given day at any given time, it takes more than THAT dept to control the situation. Forget career / volunteer bs, this is across the board. This is not about the big one or needing a tanker/tender shuttle operation, this is the room and contents, fire that your patch on your sleeve proudly says WE CAN HANDLE.
Mutual aid to cover the empty fire houses, no problem.
Why is it the neighboring taxpayers responsibility to send its tax dollar funded dept to assist with your BASIC fire.
something is wrong here, and the longer we put our heads in the sand......................

no, did not get requested because there were no evacuations. It was explained to me that we have several nursing homes in the flood zone and if they needed evacuation, The METU could be called in place of multiple ambulances. the nursing home staff is to act as the medical personal, des would send a driver.

Do we owe the public the truth about their fire depts. ability to handle a structure fire? What I mean by that is we ask the taxpayers for money to run the dept, yet in truth, on any given day at any given time, it takes more than THAT dept to control the situation. Forget career / volunteer bs, this is across the board. This is not about the big one or needing a tanker/tender shuttle operation, this is the room and contents, fire that your patch on your sleeve proudly says WE CAN HANDLE.
Mutual aid to cover the empty fire houses, no problem.
Why is it the neighboring taxpayers responsibility to send its tax dollar funded dept to assist with your BASIC fire.
something is wrong here, and the longer we put our heads in the sand......................

Do we owe the public the truth about their fire depts. ability to handle a structure fire? What I mean by that is we ask the taxpayers for money to run the dept, yet in truth, on any given day at any given time, it takes more than THAT dept to control the situation. Forget career / volunteer bs, this is across the board. This is not about the big one or needing a tanker/tender shuttle operation, this is the room and contents, fire that your patch on your sleeve proudly says WE CAN HANDLE.
Mutual aid to cover the empty fire houses, no problem.
Why is it the neighboring taxpayers responsibility to send its tax dollar funded dept to assist with your BASIC fire.
something is wrong here, and the longer we put our heads in the sand......................