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How about a more accurate title... EMS, STOP TRASHING THE EFFING CRIME SCENE!!

Depending on how your sensors actually work dictates which chemicals are likely to set off false positives. Electrochemical detectors work differently than IR detectors. Which device are you using?

At what point do you go from a rosy view to out right liar?? I'll let some of our members who are actually dispatchers chime in, but everywhere I look members of all three agencies assigned are slamming the PSAP as at best incomplete and at worst a massive step back from where we were 10 years ago. At the very least his VEST comment is horribly misleading. Yeah, VESTA is intended to handle 50k calls, but its not even online yet! The VESTA screen is blank. I can run the NYC marathon in 2 hrs 30 minutes. I mean I haven't done it, but I can run a 6 minute mile, so that means I'm ready to go, right?

Damn, I'm glad these idiots run their mouths without asking for a lawyer. Without that confession, does anyone believe this case would have gone anywhere? A concussed and intoxicated patient is far from an ideal witness. Attaboy Hamden PD detectives on a job well done.

How close are you to the exit? Is the difficulty of the removal causing you to exhaust your air before you escape or is it the sheer distance? If its a technical issue, absolutely go get help. If its distance, how close do think you can get. If you're looking at running out with a long way to go, continuing to labor is fruitless. If you're going to be cutting it close maybe it is worth making that last push. There's a lot of judgement in there. Also as ALS pointed out so many posts ago is splitting up an option?

Cogs I have to disagree with your assessment. It is not so much a change in the values of human life or the emphasis on us or them. It is the evolving math of risk vs reward. Encapsulation allows us to push deeper into hotter and more toxic environments. Some of these places have zero chance for survival yet we can enter, even if only for a brief few seconds. Is there a benefit to pushing that envelope? Forget that if a firefighter goes down they can't help the victim, what about the next in firefighter? Are you going after the original victim or the firefighter? From my limited experience once a firefighter goes down all attention turns to that member. Even members unable to disengage from their current task are distracted and trying to get involved. If you go down, you're certainly no help, but what about everyone else? How effective will they be?

From Manhattan you can eventually control access. Not so easy in the Bronx, Brooklyn, and Queens. Lets say its a bio attack. How long until you know the attack occurred? If its 20 minutes then you already have exposed people in the outer boroughs and NJ with others on their way to the suburbs. Even a chemical attack is going to result in contaminated people fleeing the scene and spreading contamination. Depending on the chemical and where they are they could easily make a commuter train and start making people sick there. There have been plenty of accounts of disaster survivors simply walking away from the incident not realizing people would be looking for them.

Save money and stick with the free pulse check app.

Pjtm, while I agree with you, it has been my experience that change does not without substantial motivation. At least with manpower and flow capabilities improvements there's a financial motivation.

I am not advocating for or against human influence global climate change. I am only pointing out that global warming does not mean warm and sunny New England winters. It means fluctuations in expected weather patterns. In theory last years snow on all 50 states was just as much global warming as this year Texas having more snow on Christmas than some ski resorts.

Grab hank, miraculously escape on 3 minutes of air, go back and grab the victim, and return with him. Just as you exit your mask sucks into your face. Seriously, you take each wrinkle as it arrives. Did Hank's air suddenly go from 1/4 to empty? The original scenario had both in a similar poop show rescuing the vic. What if the vic was our officer that has his mask knocked off during a ceiling collapse? What if it was my best friend's father(already been to calls at friends homes)? What if they were aliens that thrived on CO and were out to get us? You can what if this to death and eventually you will get a scenario where everyone agrees. A much more interesting conversation is why do we see our lives as being so much less valuable than europeans do? Is this same difference found in the police or military? Coggs, you're spot on. It's always a dig, yet they drool over our stories. Something as simple as searching past the fire elicits oohs and aahs from a captive audience. Is this a cultural issue or a career thing? In Italy firefighting is a job, no different than road building or any other government gig. Would you expect a DPW guy to take the same risks as firefighter?? Arguably DPW is far more important socially than FD. Water borne illness and poor sanitation kill many more than fire ever will.

In discussions with European firefighters I see this division between us and them frequently. Its been explained one of two ways. The first is usually Europeans brushing it off as the American "cowboy complex". All of us apparently aspire to be John Wayne reluctantly rising to the occasion and saving the day. The second is usually posited by the Americans, suggesting our roots in the volunteer fire service where we were there to protect neighbors that we personally knew has led to a culture of aggressive firefighting tactics and our skewed risk vs reward math. I'm not sure what it is, but few peers posed these scenarios even think twice and choose option 2.

Its a yoga studio that also branched out into other lifestyle avenues. They held organic cooking classes, local artist fairs, etc. Even if its not your thing, they were an asset to the community.

Wait until the facts come out. If he's covering for anyone, hang 'em high. I don't know the interiors of AMR buses, but FDNY on buses you definitely can't see anything and too often you can't even hear. As for the type III's, frequently there's enough stuff between you and the back were you might as well be divided. As for mirrors, many trucks have lost them along the way and they're never replaced.

I lover hearing how some threads are "anti-volunteer" and then come here to see as many or more volunteers agreeing with the career guys. 16fire5 had a great post. The great companies operate like a great company on EVERY run. At work I run in with engine companies on the majority of my jobs. For some Co's every call is a teaching moment. "Go up stairs, every floor in this building is different", "See that, as soon as the heat hits this the hallway this s*** falls and always falls on you. Take it down before you go in.", "Where's the fire escape? Why weren't you looking?", etc. For some companies it never stops. I saw the same guy doing rope stretches on three different jobs in one tour because he couldn't guess a distance right. If every call is not a chance to practice something old or lean something new, then what are you doing? The opportunities are out there.

Yes, its kind of obvious where exactly the fight took place, but all those Rangers fans didn't just teleport out of the city. There's at least three other Rangers fans there. It wasn't about the Jersey. This reminds me of the fight in Yonkers(?) where the Sox fan was hospitalized. After the media hype died out, it turned out the fight had nothing to do with baseball but was over a girl or something to that affect.

PLease guys, stop getting offended by these discussions. No one is saying everyone at this fire didn't break their butts to get this fire out. Simply the structure was lost and water supply was an issue. Is there anyone disputing this?? Now we have several members of this board with a lot of experience and information with solutions for these problems. Monday morning quarterbacking, after incident review, or kitchen table ball breaking does it really matter what it's called so long as its not a NIOSH Fatality Investigation Report? Maybe South Salem never did adequately pre plan that structure, you guys wouldn't be the first to drop the ball and not adequately pre plan a known hazard within your district. I think everyone here remembers the 2007 Deutsche Bank fire in which two firefighters lost their lives because the structure had not been properly pre-planed or inspected (yes, this is an over simplification of the myriad of problems that led up to the fire, but I'm trying highlight the failures of the dept administration to protect their people and empower them to do their job efficiently and safely). Change is too often motivated by tragedy. We have the NFPA live fire training standard thanks to lives lost in Boulder Co. Chicago FD never had an official policy or training on fire escapes until this year. How many firefighters had escape ropes prior to 2005? Depts are led by people and people are fallible. The goal should always be to learn from our mistakes and not repeat them. Everyone on this board, after seeing that fire should have been at their FD looking over their poorly supplied areas and double checking to make sure there were no holes in their plans. In Pleasantville there are areas where hydrants are more aesthetic than functional. For years the plan was monster stretches involving multiple relay pumps and multiple depts. The plan went all the way back to the days before large diameter supply and originally called for a dual 3" lay. During drills where even under ideal circumstances the stretch was awkward at best. Little things like keeping the street open became extremely labor intensive and time consuming. We switched to a tanker shuttle pre plan for these areas. The switch was certainly not easy and not without a lot of ego bruising, but it was done. We did a lot of drills on tanker ops and learned a lot of lessons the hard way that have since been clearly outlined by a few members on this board (thanks for nothing guys). Use these forums as the resource that they are.

First off, this was nothing like the LA assault. There were other Rangers fans there that weren't being attacked. You can even see them in the video. There was something that preceded the fight. I am in no way justifying the actions of the Philly fans, but why were these two magically picked out of the crowed to get beat up? That venue was at least 1/3 Rangers fans and this is the one incident.

Anyone has the right to refuse. I'm sure there is a sect if every group that gives religious beliefs supremacy over life. However the major Christian, Muslim, and Jewish groups have always allowed exceptions in life or death emergencies.

NJmedic...HOLY CRAP, I had no idea how far behind Jersey was those respects. Than you for the explanation. You've got my call, and an e-mail going out to all my family in Jersey.

Not sure. Could be, they have similar opinions of FDNY

Lets not forget the four people executed out in Medford over the summer in another pill heist.

That's great that you did your job and did it the right way. However too many of your peers did not. In 1994 the city council held an investigation at the behest of HHC into the issue. All of their evidence was weak at best and their research was conducted by HHC hospital staffers with a vested interest in the outcome. That investigation while raising some interesting stats resulted in a warning to follow the established rules. Then in 2001 the city comptroller published a report showing clear evidence of substantial disparities in patient destinations between municipal and voluntary units. If you'd like when I get to my computer I'll email you the report. Patient steering was absolutely a problem.

He did do his research. That is what he found. If he is mistaken, please correct him with the proper information.

To know every hydrant isn't excessive? I lived in one house for the better part of 18 years and I can't tell you every hydrant within a block of that house. I can however tell you every odd ball or uniquely important hydrant within the Pleasantville Fire and fire protection districts. I'm sure there are some savants that know, but there's no way the average mpo can tell you the nearest hydrant to any given address. Even the guy that knows 99% of them would take the hydrant that unexpectedly turned up probably figuring he had forgotten that one. To say they couldn't find a hydrant is unforgivable. But to accidentally take one that is identical to the real thing is absolutely reasonable.