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Have we really become that much of a nation of whiners and publicity hounds that even an event as justified as the elimination of an avowed terrorist and virulently anti-American murderer causes some to be "offended" and get on the news? Let's put this in perspective
There are some upset because his codename was Geronimo. It's just a commonly used phrase and well known name, easily recognizble by everyone, not an anti Native American slur. Do people really have that much free time on their hands that they can sit and dwell on the meaning of a code name? C'mon get real will ya and go find something better to complain about.
Now an even hotter topic, whether or not he was armed...WHO CARES!!! Did this hero of so many radical Islamic murderers care whether or not the thousands he has or had murdered were armed or could defend themselves? NO he didn't, as a matter of fact he relied on the fact they weren't and preyed on the innocent just as all terrorists do. A clean quick kill for this coward is almost too good an end to this waste of human flesh. I'm quite sure many of us would have liked to have seen a much slower and excruciatingly painful demise for this "leader". To those that have a problem with the manner of his death, get over it and be thankful it was quick and he wasn't given a more fitting final few years of suffering.
And now on to his burial at sea. Again he was afforded much more respect than he ever gave to any one of his victims. Did he care that thousands were simply obliterated at Ground Zero, with no trace for the familes? NO again he counted on that. So he sleeps with the fishes, big deal. He got his immediate burial of his cleaned corpse as is Muslim custom, he got much more respect than he ever gave others or deserved. Stop whining and rejoice that he is DEAD, DEAD DEAD just as he shoud be.
And finally for all those who see his rightful removal from the face of the earth this as an increase in the risk that we, as Americans, face in this world...WAKE THE HELL UP!!!!. Osama bin Laden did not invent anti Americanism, radicalism or terrorism, he only benefited and gained notoriety from them. His death will have no great impact on the desire of those radical and militant elements in this world that want to harm us.
To Osama bin Laden GOOD RIDDANCE SCUMBAG and MAY YOU ROT IN HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY
Remain vigilant America and remember freedom is not free.
Thank you Obama
Thank you SEAL team six and all that serve our nation in the Military
And
God Bless America
Cogs

Have we really become that much of a nation of whiners and publicity hounds that even an event as justified as the elimination of an avowed terrorist and virulently anti-American murderer causes some to be "offended" and get on the news? Let's put this in perspective
There are some upset because his codename was Geronimo. It's just a commonly used phrase and well known name, easily recognizble by everyone, not an anti Native American slur. Do people really have that much free time on their hands that they can sit and dwell on the meaning of a code name? C'mon get real will ya and go find something better to complain about.
Now an even hotter topic, whether or not he was armed...WHO CARES!!! Did this hero of so many radical Islamic murderers care whether or not the thousands he has or had murdered were armed or could defend themselves? NO he didn't, as a matter of fact he relied on the fact they weren't and preyed on the innocent just as all terrorists do. A clean quick kill for this coward is almost too good an end to this waste of human flesh. I'm quite sure many of us would have liked to have seen a much slower and excruciatingly painful demise for this "leader". To those that have a problem with the manner of his death, get over it and be thankful it was quick and he wasn't given a more fitting final few years of suffering.
And now on to his burial at sea. Again he was afforded much more respect than he ever gave to any one of his victims. Did he care that thousands were simply obliterated at Ground Zero, with no trace for the familes? NO again he counted on that. So he sleeps with the fishes, big deal. He got his immediate burial of his cleaned corpse as is Muslim custom, he got much more respect than he ever gave others or deserved. Stop whining and rejoice that he is DEAD, DEAD DEAD just as he shoud be.
And finally for all those who see his rightful removal from the face of the earth this as an increase in the risk that we, as Americans, face in this world...WAKE THE HELL UP!!!!. Osama bin Laden did not invent anti Americanism, radicalism or terrorism, he only benefited and gained notoriety from them. His death will have no great impact on the desire of those radical and militant elements in this world that want to harm us.
To Osama bin Laden GOOD RIDDANCE SCUMBAG and MAY YOU ROT IN HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY
Remain vigilant America and remember freedom is not free.
Thank you Obama
Thank you SEAL team six and all that serve our nation in the Military
And
God Bless America
Cogs

Have we really become that much of a nation of whiners and publicity hounds that even an event as justified as the elimination of an avowed terrorist and virulently anti-American murderer causes some to be "offended" and get on the news? Let's put this in perspective
There are some upset because his codename was Geronimo. It's just a commonly used phrase and well known name, easily recognizble by everyone, not an anti Native American slur. Do people really have that much free time on their hands that they can sit and dwell on the meaning of a code name? C'mon get real will ya and go find something better to complain about.
Now an even hotter topic, whether or not he was armed...WHO CARES!!! Did this hero of so many radical Islamic murderers care whether or not the thousands he has or had murdered were armed or could defend themselves? NO he didn't, as a matter of fact he relied on the fact they weren't and preyed on the innocent just as all terrorists do. A clean quick kill for this coward is almost too good an end to this waste of human flesh. I'm quite sure many of us would have liked to have seen a much slower and excruciatingly painful demise for this "leader". To those that have a problem with the manner of his death, get over it and be thankful it was quick and he wasn't given a more fitting final few years of suffering.
And now on to his burial at sea. Again he was afforded much more respect than he ever gave to any one of his victims. Did he care that thousands were simply obliterated at Ground Zero, with no trace for the familes? NO again he counted on that. So he sleeps with the fishes, big deal. He got his immediate burial of his cleaned corpse as is Muslim custom, he got much more respect than he ever gave others or deserved. Stop whining and rejoice that he is DEAD, DEAD DEAD just as he shoud be.
And finally for all those who see his rightful removal from the face of the earth this as an increase in the risk that we, as Americans, face in this world...WAKE THE HELL UP!!!!. Osama bin Laden did not invent anti Americanism, radicalism or terrorism, he only benefited and gained notoriety from them. His death will have no great impact on the desire of those radical and militant elements in this world that want to harm us.
To Osama bin Laden GOOD RIDDANCE SCUMBAG and MAY YOU ROT IN HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY
Remain vigilant America and remember freedom is not free.
Thank you Obama
Thank you SEAL team six and all that serve our nation in the Military
And
God Bless America
Cogs

Have we really become that much of a nation of whiners and publicity hounds that even an event as justified as the elimination of an avowed terrorist and virulently anti-American murderer causes some to be "offended" and get on the news? Let's put this in perspective
There are some upset because his codename was Geronimo. It's just a commonly used phrase and well known name, easily recognizble by everyone, not an anti Native American slur. Do people really have that much free time on their hands that they can sit and dwell on the meaning of a code name? C'mon get real will ya and go find something better to complain about.
Now an even hotter topic, whether or not he was armed...WHO CARES!!! Did this hero of so many radical Islamic murderers care whether or not the thousands he has or had murdered were armed or could defend themselves? NO he didn't, as a matter of fact he relied on the fact they weren't and preyed on the innocent just as all terrorists do. A clean quick kill for this coward is almost too good an end to this waste of human flesh. I'm quite sure many of us would have liked to have seen a much slower and excruciatingly painful demise for this "leader". To those that have a problem with the manner of his death, get over it and be thankful it was quick and he wasn't given a more fitting final few years of suffering.
And now on to his burial at sea. Again he was afforded much more respect than he ever gave to any one of his victims. Did he care that thousands were simply obliterated at Ground Zero, with no trace for the familes? NO again he counted on that. So he sleeps with the fishes, big deal. He got his immediate burial of his cleaned corpse as is Muslim custom, he got much more respect than he ever gave others or deserved. Stop whining and rejoice that he is DEAD, DEAD DEAD just as he shoud be.
And finally for all those who see his rightful removal from the face of the earth this as an increase in the risk that we, as Americans, face in this world...WAKE THE HELL UP!!!!. Osama bin Laden did not invent anti Americanism, radicalism or terrorism, he only benefited and gained notoriety from them. His death will have no great impact on the desire of those radical and militant elements in this world that want to harm us.
To Osama bin Laden GOOD RIDDANCE SCUMBAG and MAY YOU ROT IN HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY
Remain vigilant America and remember freedom is not free.
Thank you Obama
Thank you SEAL team six and all that serve our nation in the Military
And
God Bless America
Cogs

Have we really become that much of a nation of whiners and publicity hounds that even an event as justified as the elimination of an avowed terrorist and virulently anti-American murderer causes some to be "offended" and get on the news? Let's put this in perspective
There are some upset because his codename was Geronimo. It's just a commonly used phrase and well known name, easily recognizble by everyone, not an anti Native American slur. Do people really have that much free time on their hands that they can sit and dwell on the meaning of a code name? C'mon get real will ya and go find something better to complain about.
Now an even hotter topic, whether or not he was armed...WHO CARES!!! Did this hero of so many radical Islamic murderers care whether or not the thousands he has or had murdered were armed or could defend themselves? NO he didn't, as a matter of fact he relied on the fact they weren't and preyed on the innocent just as all terrorists do. A clean quick kill for this coward is almost too good an end to this waste of human flesh. I'm quite sure many of us would have liked to have seen a much slower and excruciatingly painful demise for this "leader". To those that have a problem with the manner of his death, get over it and be thankful it was quick and he wasn't given a more fitting final few years of suffering.
And now on to his burial at sea. Again he was afforded much more respect than he ever gave to any one of his victims. Did he care that thousands were simply obliterated at Ground Zero, with no trace for the familes? NO again he counted on that. So he sleeps with the fishes, big deal. He got his immediate burial of his cleaned corpse as is Muslim custom, he got much more respect than he ever gave others or deserved. Stop whining and rejoice that he is DEAD, DEAD DEAD just as he shoud be.
And finally for all those who see his rightful removal from the face of the earth this as an increase in the risk that we, as Americans, face in this world...WAKE THE HELL UP!!!!. Osama bin Laden did not invent anti Americanism, radicalism or terrorism, he only benefited and gained notoriety from them. His death will have no great impact on the desire of those radical and militant elements in this world that want to harm us.
To Osama bin Laden GOOD RIDDANCE SCUMBAG and MAY YOU ROT IN HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY
Remain vigilant America and remember freedom is not free.
Thank you Obama
Thank you SEAL team six and all that serve our nation in the Military
And
God Bless America
Cogs

Have we really become that much of a nation of whiners and publicity hounds that even an event as justified as the elimination of an avowed terrorist and virulently anti-American murderer causes some to be "offended" and get on the news? Let's put this in perspective
There are some upset because his codename was Geronimo. It's just a commonly used phrase and well known name, easily recognizble by everyone, not an anti Native American slur. Do people really have that much free time on their hands that they can sit and dwell on the meaning of a code name? C'mon get real will ya and go find something better to complain about.
Now an even hotter topic, whether or not he was armed...WHO CARES!!! Did this hero of so many radical Islamic murderers care whether or not the thousands he has or had murdered were armed or could defend themselves? NO he didn't, as a matter of fact he relied on the fact they weren't and preyed on the innocent just as all terrorists do. A clean quick kill for this coward is almost too good an end to this waste of human flesh. I'm quite sure many of us would have liked to have seen a much slower and excruciatingly painful demise for this "leader". To those that have a problem with the manner of his death, get over it and be thankful it was quick and he wasn't given a more fitting final few years of suffering.
And now on to his burial at sea. Again he was afforded much more respect than he ever gave to any one of his victims. Did he care that thousands were simply obliterated at Ground Zero, with no trace for the familes? NO again he counted on that. So he sleeps with the fishes, big deal. He got his immediate burial of his cleaned corpse as is Muslim custom, he got much more respect than he ever gave others or deserved. Stop whining and rejoice that he is DEAD, DEAD DEAD just as he shoud be.
And finally for all those who see his rightful removal from the face of the earth this as an increase in the risk that we, as Americans, face in this world...WAKE THE HELL UP!!!!. Osama bin Laden did not invent anti Americanism, radicalism or terrorism, he only benefited and gained notoriety from them. His death will have no great impact on the desire of those radical and militant elements in this world that want to harm us.
To Osama bin Laden GOOD RIDDANCE SCUMBAG and MAY YOU ROT IN HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY
Remain vigilant America and remember freedom is not free.
Thank you Obama
Thank you SEAL team six and all that serve our nation in the Military
And
God Bless America
Cogs

His body is going to be "disposed of", hopefully by scavenging animals or better yet put it in a pig sty and let them have at it.. Maybe he can't eat pork but I'm sure the pigs would enjoy the scrawny bearded feast. In the end there will be no grave, no tomb, no martyrs shrine...no physical trace that this scumbag ever existed and that too is justice.
The end to Osama bin A-hole is not the end, but mearly a step on the road to destroying those who seek to harm us. God bless the U.S. military and a hearty Thank you for a job well done. Onward boys to victory!!!! I hope every American wakes up and supports the efforts to make our world and nation safe. We must remain vigilant. We are at war and every American is a part of it whether they like it or not. We didn't start it but by God as history has shown we WILL finish it. Bin Laden got his, now let us not rest until the rest get theirs.
Cogs

I hope his 70 virgins are all men and he "recieves" what he deserves for eternity.

I hope his 70 virgins are all men and he "recieves" what he deserves for eternity.

I hope his 70 virgins are all men and he "recieves" what he deserves for eternity.

With all due respect and I mean that sincerely, there is no probably about it. And yes while you did not say the volunteers are "wrong" in so many words that is the insinuation of much of what has been said and written.
In some respects yes, I suppose our legal standing could be considered a "bargaining chip", but for that to matter there has to be willing partners to bargain with. In another respect one could say that the "bargaining chip" is currently being used by the fact that the VFDs are excercising their legal authority to merge and are therefore possibly infuencing the outcome.

Again the same coud be said of the SFRD and Union leaderships. What steps have they taken to show that they are "seriously interested in definitively solving the matter" with, not in spite of the VFDs? And I am well aware of the process for a Charter revision and in no way use that as an excuse. The fact is a 2/3 majority can be a difficult thing to achieve and harder still when there is no unity shown by the parties affected on what that change will entail or ultimately cost.
Here again I know for a fact that offers have been made by the VFDs to sit down and discuss a compromise of the "control" issues. Those offers have gone unanswered and the same response forthcoming, SFRD must be in control period. There is another aspect to this when talking about control. The VFDs are not seeking control or a role, they don't need to...they already have it legally. It is the other "side" that seeks to change that fact. It has been stated many times by various members of the volunteer sector that the idea of standardized requirements is not a new one nor is it one the volunteers are opposed to. In fact that will be the case once the 4 become 1. But for that standardization to work the volunteer officers must be an integral part of the command structure of whatever department(s) emerge, not just in "control" of volunteer personnel only. Equal standards equate to equal responsibility do they not. I agree that there must be compromise but that must come from both ends. Thus far it hasn't. Cogs

Thankfully this speech has resurfaced. To me this speech should be a mandatory part of every firemen's training. Here's the links. I suggerst that if, like me you believe as the LT does, you save it before it is again disappears under the assualt of the safety zealots. Part 1 http://www.4shared.c...ue_Values_.html Part 2 http://www.4shared.c...ue_Values_.html Thanks LT for saying what needs to be said. Cogs

Thankfully this speech has resurfaced. To me this speech should be a mandatory part of every firemen's training. Here's the links. I suggerst that if, like me you believe as the LT does, you save it before it is again disappears under the assualt of the safety zealots. Part 1 http://www.4shared.c...ue_Values_.html Part 2 http://www.4shared.c...ue_Values_.html Thanks LT for saying what needs to be said. Cogs

Found this story about a Japanese FF that made the ultimate sacrifice during the tsunami and his comrades. I think it shows that firemen are firemen the world over.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110405/wl_asia_afp/japandisasteraccidentnucleartsunamifirefighter
Cogs

Found this story about a Japanese FF that made the ultimate sacrifice during the tsunami and his comrades. I think it shows that firemen are firemen the world over.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110405/wl_asia_afp/japandisasteraccidentnucleartsunamifirefighter
Cogs

Found this story about a Japanese FF that made the ultimate sacrifice during the tsunami and his comrades. I think it shows that firemen are firemen the world over.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110405/wl_asia_afp/japandisasteraccidentnucleartsunamifirefighter
Cogs

I just have to add the same $.02 here I posted on another site.
There's only one "CF" and it ain't a Pierce.

I'll take a bite on this one.
I agree 100% with the courts decision. The First Amendment guarantees freedom of speech and association, even when those associating and their speech is unpopular. Although this lunatic and his followers are a reprehensible, dispicable and ignorant bunch as far as I'm concerned, that doesn't mean they should be stifled. To silence these people would open the door to far more insidious censorship and curtailment on the liberties of all of us. If you think it can't happen here, think again. A look back into the history of just the 20th century amply shows us that. Everyone knows of Hitler (or should) but do they know that dictatorship in Germany didn't start the day Hitler and his Nazis were voted into power, it came about over time as laws were enacted that elimated personal freedoms "for the good of the Country" in the name of the "people". Silencing opposition is step number 1 in the dictator's handbook and it starts with the silencing of the unpopular. It is also the one we in this Country have the most power to prevent taking hold through our commitment to upholding the First Amendment...even when we disagree with messages spewed in the name of hate.
Freedoms are precious...all freedoms...but maybe none more so than our freedom to speak and associate, because without them you will never have the rest.
Cogs

Good to see FDNY is sticking with what has proven to be THE BEST aerial platform. No one else even comes close.

Good to see FDNY is sticking with what has proven to be THE BEST aerial platform. No one else even comes close.

I too have no problem being held (and having been held) to a higher standard as we are in positions of trust.
As for the headlines, as most have said nothing but shock value. I remember a case here in Stamford not too long ago involving a volunteer FF and allegations of child pornography. Now this individual was an accountant (?) yet our wonderful Ragvocate had to make sure the headline said "VOLUNTEER FF arrested blah blah blah. How about "accountant arrested"..hmmm just isn't as eye catching is it.
Unfortunately by virtue of our service (paid and violunteer alike) we will be scrutinized more closely and our failings used publically for the amusement of others. Best to stay clean and have no worries.
BTW IMO if guilty they both deserve whatever they get and more for preying on the weak.
Cogs

I too have no problem being held (and having been held) to a higher standard as we are in positions of trust.
As for the headlines, as most have said nothing but shock value. I remember a case here in Stamford not too long ago involving a volunteer FF and allegations of child pornography. Now this individual was an accountant (?) yet our wonderful Ragvocate had to make sure the headline said "VOLUNTEER FF arrested blah blah blah. How about "accountant arrested"..hmmm just isn't as eye catching is it.
Unfortunately by virtue of our service (paid and violunteer alike) we will be scrutinized more closely and our failings used publically for the amusement of others. Best to stay clean and have no worries.
BTW IMO if guilty they both deserve whatever they get and more for preying on the weak.
Cogs

So to sum up this and just about every other thread:
Volunteer: Black
Career: White
Volunteer: Up
Career: Down
Volunteer: Dog
Career: Cat
Volunteer: Left
Career: Right
Volunteer: All firefighters are Brothers
Career: Only career firefighters are Brothers, volunteers are untrained, uncertified, unmotivated, uneducated scabs
Volunteers: We all face the same risks when the bell hits
Career: Only career firefighters face risks, volunteers are untrained, uncertified, unmotivated, uneducated scabs
Volunteers: We are professional in the performance of our duty
Career: Only career firefighters are professional, volunteers are untrained, uncertified, unmotivated, uneducated scabs
Volunteer: We want to work together
Career: Only career firefighters can work together, volunteers are untrained, uncertified, unmotivated, uneducated scabs
Volunteer: We meet the standards required
Career: Only career firefighters meet standards, volunteers are untrained, uncertified, unmotivated, uneducated scabs
Volunteers: We should be indemnified because we risk our lives to help others
Career: Volunteers shouldn't be indemnified, volunteers are untrained, uncertified, unmotivated, uneducated scabs
Volunteer: I'm better than you because I don't get a paycheck
Career: I'm better than you because I get a paycheck, volunteers are untrained, uncertified, unmotivated, uneducated scabs
I think you get the point.
Cogs

I always like to get the insights of my colleagues in the fire service on incident management and size up. In that vein I'm starting this topic to tap into the knowledge and experience of the contributors here.
While pictures are good I like videos as they offer a more dynamic and true representation of what's going on. In this one the FD is not on scene yet, so it's open and there's no action to critique.
(edit) When posting replies to this video please identify that your response is in regards to scene #1 ( there are now 2 different incidents in this thread to discuss)
Here is scene #1:

I'll reserve my comments on the video so as not to spoil it. Take a look with no audio and describe your tactics based on the following;
You're the officer, you have a driver and 2 FFs on the crew with you. This is what you pull up on. It's unknown if anyone is inside and the next due Engine and the Truck are still 3 mins out......what would you do?
Cogs
ps If anyone has any other videos in which the FD has not yet arrived or is just arriving please post them for discussion.

I always like to get the insights of my colleagues in the fire service on incident management and size up. In that vein I'm starting this topic to tap into the knowledge and experience of the contributors here.
While pictures are good I like videos as they offer a more dynamic and true representation of what's going on. In this one the FD is not on scene yet, so it's open and there's no action to critique.
(edit) When posting replies to this video please identify that your response is in regards to scene #1 ( there are now 2 different incidents in this thread to discuss)
Here is scene #1:

I'll reserve my comments on the video so as not to spoil it. Take a look with no audio and describe your tactics based on the following;
You're the officer, you have a driver and 2 FFs on the crew with you. This is what you pull up on. It's unknown if anyone is inside and the next due Engine and the Truck are still 3 mins out......what would you do?
Cogs
ps If anyone has any other videos in which the FD has not yet arrived or is just arriving please post them for discussion.