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  6. Posted · Edited by PFDRes47cue

    Wow, that tiny print at the bottom of page 3 says a lot. In NY, no one has a duty to act, regardless of cert level or license, unless they are part of an agency and response! So all that BS about having EMT stickers on your car puts you at risk if you do not stop at an MVA was just that... BS. Who knew? Well, I guess the guy with the tiny font printer knew, but I sure as hell didn't. Thanks folks. I am a tiny bit smarter now.

    Part of an agency and response that has ems duties....

  8. Posted · Edited by PFDRes47cue

    As per News12, the boy was declared brain dead Tuesday and will be taken off life support.

    Hospital officials say the 15-year-old White Plains boy who was found drowning in the Depew Park Pool last weekend will be taken off life support tonight. Jared Amory was declared brain dead Tuesday at Westchester Medical Center in Valhalla.

    Terrible tragedy, thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends of this young man.

  9. Posted

    There is a legal term, I think called "caveat superior" (My HS latin teacher would croak!) that says that if you are working for someone and do what they tell you, then HE is on the hook for what you do.

    Sympathomedic, you are correct the name of the Doctrine is RESPONDEAT SUPERIOR (let the master respond) it is a legal doctrine holding "employers" liable for the wrongful acts of their agents (employees). It is also known as VICARIOUS LIABILITY; an employer is answerable for the tort (negligent acts) committed by employees. Two things must exist for this tort to hold up 1. A master-servant relationship must exist between the employer and employee. 2. The wrongful act of the employee MUST have occurred within the SCOPE of his employment. Once again get a hold of your department's policies and or SOP's and stay within the scope. PFD there are no stupid questions, be safe

    Thank you for all the great input, stay safe.

    Madison

    An EMT would not have a duty to act if they are operating as a firefighter in a non ems agency. The duty to act applies when you are with an agency with the authority to respond. His FD has no authority to respond to medical emergencies.

    Thanks, this is ultimately what I was looking to find out. I was unsure if one has duty to act when in a uniform that does not carry the responsibilities of an EMS agency.

    Thanks.

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    HEard on the news tonight that the survivors were saying that they knowingly were over the manufactures recommendation in regards to occupancy but the majority of the persons on the vessel were younger children. Factoring to less weight but higher physical numbers. The operator of the vessel at the time of the incident stated that there was a wave that made the boat roll. He never imagined a boat of that size would roll so easily but he could not control it. They also mentioned that at the time, the majority of the people were on the top level, putting the balance of the boat way of when it listed.

    Whatever happened and whatever comes from the lawsuits.... this is a terrible tragedy. RIP.

  11. Posted · Edited by PFDRes47cue

    If you are on scene with the FD you act as a firefighter. Your agency is not an EMS agency and puts themselves at risk if they put you to work as an EMT. In NYC all firefighters whether they are EMTs or Medics on the outside operate as CFRs on an assignment. You should address this with your dept to establish a definitive policy. The district has a lawyer, put him to work.

    This seems to be the answer that makes sense although not always morally pleasing. A definitive policy has been put into place. We removed the cervical collars from rigs because "firefighters" are not trained through the FD to apply these to victims in need or fellow firefighters even if they are NYS EMT's. I just wanted to hear anything people had to chime in about liability for the individuals who are dressed as "firefighters" but are medical personnel as well under the Morning Pride. But it seems that as long as one is operating with their agency, their is minimal liability that falls on themselves if they act perform in their scope of practice and under direction of superiors.

  12. Posted · Edited by PFDRes47cue

    Just trying to get some background information on an area that is a little grey to me. I will use myself for the following example but my comments do not reflect my department, they are solely my own thoughts.

    If I am an NYS certified EMT-B and I ride with a NYS Fire Department that does not run EMS am I at all liable on scene. If I am at a car accident with the FD and no EMS is on scene am I obligated to act? I am in uniform but not an EMS uniform. Are FD's held liable if they have non EMS trained people hold c-spine until EMS arrives? What about if this non EMS Fire Department has an EMT or Paramedic hold c-spine? Is the FD liable? Is it best to just not have anyone assess the patient and to just wait until EMS arrives? If an FD that does not do EMS has certified EMS personnel should this be made known on scenes if EMS if not present yet? Or should it be hidden?

    Personally I feel obligated to provide patient care rather than stand around waiting for EMS or a tow....

    Again, the above may be stupid questions... if so my apologies. Just looking for some clarification.

    Thanks in advance for any insight,

    Madison

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    Date: 7/1/2012

    Time: 00:33

    Location: 15 Sisson Road

    Frequency: St. Lawrence County Dispatch

    Units Operating: [Potsdam FD: Engine 80, Engine 49,Tanker 100, Rescue 30, Rescue 14, Tower 5, 36-2]; [West Potsdam FD]; [Norwood FD]; [West Stockholm FD]; [Potsdam Rescue Squad]; [sLC: Car 1, Car 7, Fire Investigation Team]; [Potsdam PD]; [sLC Sheriff]; [National Grid];

    Weather Conditions: Warm, dry

    Description Of Incident: At 00:33 Potsdam Fire, Potsdam Rescue and St. Lawrence County Car 7 were activated for a structure fire at the above address. Two members were in house at the time and responded Engine 80 immediately. A few moments after, an on duty Potsdam Police Officer and also PFD Firefighter arrived on scene gave a size-up and reported heavy smoke pushing from the house. Engine 80 called on scene and requested mutual aid for Tankers and Manpower from Norwood FD and West Potsdam FD and manpower from West Stockholm FD. A line was stretched into the structure and an aggressive interior attack was initiated once the fire was located in the roof and back wall. Engine 80 requested that the on duty Potsdam Fire Paid Driver respond the village Engine 49 to set up relay operations for the tanker shuttle. Parishville Fire was requested to standby in Potsdam Station with an Engine, Tanker and Manpower. The homeowner was home and asleep at the time when the fire broke out. A functioning smoke detector in the house woke her up and alerted her of the fire. She escaped uninjured. St. Lawrence County Fire Investigators were called to the scene to investigate the cause of the blaze. All units were back in service at 04:32. No firefighter injuries were reported.

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  18. Posted · Edited by PFDRes47cue

    Date: 7/2/2012

    Time: 18:35

    Location: I684 NB @ M.M. 5.9

    Frequency: 46.26

    Units Operating: [Armonk FD/EMS: 2021, 51B1, 51B3, E286, E288]; [Westchester EMS: 4514, 45M1, 45M2]; [NYSP];

    Weather Conditions: Warm, dry, sunny

    Description Of Incident: Rollover with extrication. Car into the median. Second ambulance and medic requested. Three patients extricated and transported to Westchester Medical Center ER. Two Level 1 traumas and One Level 2 trauma

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  25. Posted

    District books are open, but company books are not. When the district cuts the company a check there is no longer any accountability.

    In my limited experience, I have found that the majority of money that the district disperses to the company already has a predetermined use. For example. The district may give a company $1000, but $500 of that is for the Chief's funds and $500 of that is for the band... There is still accountability.