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  2. Posted · Edited by 42121FD

    What's a Tower Ladder with a useful bucket? There were accessories that snap on to the bucket, such as a parapet ladder mount and stokes basket mount, not pictured here.

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    The bucket looks great for for master stream operations... all that room and two nozzles... Yuck! I wouldn't want to be the fireman during rescue operations and having to bail out in a hurry... you have about two linear feet of platform to jump on each side of the nozzles. How often do you expect the bucket to be 90 degrees to the structure? That makes it even more challenging. It would be nice to have angled corners because you are rarely perpendicular to the structure and at least 8" of foot hold on three sides of the bucket so you have something to step on under poor conditions. I don't even see any easy acting handles to open the bucket doors.

    Pierce makes great apparatus, but their bucket to me isn't very desirable.

    antiquefirelt, Bottom of Da Hill, Westfield12 and 1 other like this

  4. Posted · Edited by 42121FD

    'ny10570'- "Traditionally a port-cochere is build adjacent to a structure and not under part of it."

    Show me a port-cochere that's not attached to a building then it's not a port-cochere!

    porte-cochere

    [n] - a carriage entrance passing through a building to an enclosed courtyard 2. [n] - canopy extending out from a building entrance to shelter those getting in and out of vehicles.

    Sometimes... they don't have a building above, sometimes they do! Also... Many of the above opinions are plausible, I just thought the photo in this discussion need some defense.

  5. Posted · Edited by 42121FD

    I should re-phrase my earlier statement to I disagrees with many of the structural statements. I do agree that the photo shows there is a potential to create interesting fire fighting tactical challenges. Fire and steel are not an ideal mix especially when they are in a confinded area. Protection of the steel members are determined by three items: type of construction, occupancy classification and general height and area limitations established by the N.Y.S. Uniform Building Code. In this scenario, I would not expect to see the steel protected. I find protected structures to be found often in large public assembly and health care facilities. The photo posted by Bullseye is a good photo of the roof purlins (steel) that have suffered under fire conditions. The steel in this case is light weight and similar to that seen in pre-engineered metal warehouse buildings spanning between the main steel bents that that span the distance of the building. Johnny OV mentioned the fire in the cars interior reached 1,000 Deg. C, (1,830 Deg. F) which is hot. A candle also burns at the same temperature. For the most part, this scenario to me is no differant than any departments that have buildings with a port-cochere where people are dropped off so they are out of the weather. A car could possibly catch fire underneith it... Structural damage is highly possible. I have seen plenty of port-cocheres with dry sprinkler systems just for that situation.

    In our photo, I don't think the design intent was for a car to park under the structure as much as as it is a passageway. I would bet that a car fire under the overhang would be more likely to start a fire in the interior building above through convection if not extinguished in a reasonable amount of time. I would also bet by looking at the size of the steel members, that a car could burn and self extinguish before the steel deflected enough to fail. You have three open sides where the heat build-up would not raise enough for that steel to fail. It would be an interesting test! Good post Batt2!

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    I tend to disagree with many of the observations... Structurally, I see nothing wrong with it. Additional photos would be helpful to support my disagreement. Esthetically, I have issues with it, but I'm sure there are reasons(which will probably will never know) for the way it was designed. Form follows function in this case! Tactically, there are concerns about rear access, unless there is another way to the rear other than through the brick or block buildings.

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    Do fire stations require building permits when work is being done in the station like residential houses or other properties?

    Ultimately Yes... Fire Stations require Building Permits. The municipality that has jurisdiction will ultimately enforce the building code unless it is a county fire department, which the county assumes jurisdiction and will provide a permit and enforce the code on their own buildings no matter which municipality they are in.

    Whether it's a Fire Station renovation or a new station, the Building codes and the American Disabilities Act need to be addressed. Fire Stations under the current codes are broken down into differant occupancies. Apparatus Bays are considered Storage, Meeting Halls are considered Assembly, Fire Dept. Office areas are Business and if your department has sleeping quarters for career or volunteer duty crews, they will be considered a Residential occupancy. The key thing about this is that there are fire rating issues and sprinkler issues that arise when dealing with occupancies and their square footages. Make sure your projects are up to code!