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For professionals its all usually done at the start of the tour. For volunteers it is usually done at the chief's discretion. I find that it is much more beneficial for everyone for people who show up to look at what is occurring and to either make suggestions or to do a quick size up before taking an assignment. Obviously getting the line in place and securing water and VES should be paramount but when you have to deal with people who might not be good at ladders or not as aggressive as others it becomes an issue. Probably the hardest thing for a volunteer commander is dealing with what you 'got' when things are to be done. Of course the same problems may occur in a career setting but generally they are not as prevalent.
Seniority above all should take precedent. Doing this for 18 years has taught me a lot, but above all, doing things safely is the most important, if you see someone doing something stupid, like taking the bottom of a window instead of the top, say something, it doesn't happen often but glass will slide down that hook and cut you open, how do I know? I saw it happen! Everything in this job is the way it is cause it has happened to someone else, and unfortunately the amount of unknowns is still so numerous its scary to think about.
Stay Safe!

For professionals its all usually done at the start of the tour. For volunteers it is usually done at the chief's discretion. I find that it is much more beneficial for everyone for people who show up to look at what is occurring and to either make suggestions or to do a quick size up before taking an assignment. Obviously getting the line in place and securing water and VES should be paramount but when you have to deal with people who might not be good at ladders or not as aggressive as others it becomes an issue. Probably the hardest thing for a volunteer commander is dealing with what you 'got' when things are to be done. Of course the same problems may occur in a career setting but generally they are not as prevalent.
Seniority above all should take precedent. Doing this for 18 years has taught me a lot, but above all, doing things safely is the most important, if you see someone doing something stupid, like taking the bottom of a window instead of the top, say something, it doesn't happen often but glass will slide down that hook and cut you open, how do I know? I saw it happen! Everything in this job is the way it is cause it has happened to someone else, and unfortunately the amount of unknowns is still so numerous its scary to think about.
Stay Safe!

For professionals its all usually done at the start of the tour. For volunteers it is usually done at the chief's discretion. I find that it is much more beneficial for everyone for people who show up to look at what is occurring and to either make suggestions or to do a quick size up before taking an assignment. Obviously getting the line in place and securing water and VES should be paramount but when you have to deal with people who might not be good at ladders or not as aggressive as others it becomes an issue. Probably the hardest thing for a volunteer commander is dealing with what you 'got' when things are to be done. Of course the same problems may occur in a career setting but generally they are not as prevalent.
Seniority above all should take precedent. Doing this for 18 years has taught me a lot, but above all, doing things safely is the most important, if you see someone doing something stupid, like taking the bottom of a window instead of the top, say something, it doesn't happen often but glass will slide down that hook and cut you open, how do I know? I saw it happen! Everything in this job is the way it is cause it has happened to someone else, and unfortunately the amount of unknowns is still so numerous its scary to think about.
Stay Safe!

How do you know they were avoiding them? All our old rigs had Detroits, very rarely do you have an engine issue, everything else usually goes bad.

Nothing worse than a guy wearing sunglasses, if it was part of the uniform it would be issued.

Nothing worse than a guy wearing sunglasses, if it was part of the uniform it would be issued.

Nothing worse than a guy wearing sunglasses, if it was part of the uniform it would be issued.

Yes they all do deserve a LODD Funeral. You want to talk to someone who has experienced each one of those instances you can call the following people:
Joe D's dad Deputy Chief DiBernardo
The following people for the deaths they sustained from the direct work they did at the WTC;
Adrian, Sandra - NYPD
Albanese, Vincent - FDNY
Alexander, Robert – National Guard
Allen, George - OSHA
Arrington, Gerald - FDNY
Baez, Alex - NYPD
Bales, Theodore – Trade
Bellan, Robert - Trade
Benditt, Richard M. - FD PHILADELPHIA
Berger, Philip - FDNY
Biondi, John - EMT
Bolusi, Frank - NYPD
Borcherding, Robert - FDNY
Borg, Jerry - Civilian
Borgese, Andrew - FDNY
Borja, Caesar - NYPD
Brand, Dave - Trade
Brinkworth, Russell - FDNY
Brophy, Thomas - NYPD
Brown, Carene - FDNY
Brown, Harry - Driver
Bulger, Ed - Trade
Burhman, Robert –Trade
Burke, Richard - FDNY
Byrnes, Kevin - FDNY
Capo, Patrice - Volunteer
Capobianco, Carl - FDNY
Carlo, Madeline - NYPD
Cassidy, Kevin - FDNY
Celentani, Gary - FDNY
Chelsen, Roy - FDNY
Clark, Charles - NYPD
Cleary, Haydee - Volunteer
Clyde, John - Trade
Cole, Charles –NCPD/ESU
Colleluori, Joseph - FDNY
Conroy, Daniel – NYPD
Cordaro, Vincent - Trade
Cortazzo, John - PAPD
Costello, Joseph - FDNY
Czartoryski, Kevin - NYPD
Daley, Joan - FDNY
DeBiase, Mark - Trade
Delano Sr, Kevin - FDNY
Devilla, Rene - Trade
Diaz, Cory - NYPD
Didomenico, Rudy - EMS
Dillon, Robert - FDNY
Doyle, James - Transit
Driscoll, Tom - FDNY
Dudziec, James - NYPD
Duffy, John – Transit
Dunbar, Renee - NYPD
Dunn-Jones, Felicia - Civilian
Ehmer, Robert - NYPD
Ellicot, Brain - FDNY
Faraone, Heather – Volunteer
Farcia , John - FDNY
Ferraro, Edward - NYPD
Farrenkopf, Peter - FDNY
Feser, Donald - NYPD
Fisher, Elmis - NYPD
Ford, Robert - FDNY
Foss, Bruce - FDNY
Franklin, William – FDNY
Galfano, Barry – NYPD/ESU
Garcia, John - FDNY
Ghussin, Fred - NYPD
Gilpin, Edward - NYPD
Godbee, James - NYPD
Goggin, John - NYPD
Graves, Harry - Vol Firefighter
Grossman, Robert - NYPD
Gyuris, Louis - Trade
Hanrahan, Claire - NYPD
Harris, Bill - Firefighter
Hauber, Ray - FDNY
Hawe, Jerry - FDNY
Hawkins, Kevin -NYPD
Hayes, Philip - FDNY
Helmke, Robert - NYPD
Hendrickson, Erik - Firefighter
Hernandez, Felix - FDNY/EMT
Hess, Robert - FDNY
Hodges, Thomas - FDNY
Holfester, William - NYPD
Hurly, Martin - FDNY
Iacono, Giovanni - NYPD
Incarbone, Anthony - FDNY
Jakopii, Jure - NYPD
Jakubowsky, Richard - NYPD
Johannemann, Kevin - Civilian
Johnson, Leroy - DOT
Johnson, Stephen - FDNY
Johnson, Vanclive - FDNY
Johnston, Louise - NYPD
Jones, James - Volunteer
Kaplan, Michael -Trade
Kavakos, Gary - FDNY
Kaye, James - FDNY
Keller, Tim - FDNY/EMT
Kelly, Ronald – NYPD
Kendrick, Michael - Trade
Knecht, David - Trade
Landolfi, Joseph - Sanitation
Larosa, Mike - FDNY
Lee, Kevin - NYPD
Levy, Gavriel - DOT
Lockwood, Timothy - FDNY
Lopez, Alex - FDNY
Macari, Frank - NYPD
Macchio, Andrew - Sanitation
Mahoney, Sister Mary - Civilian
Mahmoud, David - NYPD
Malloy, Brian - FDNY
Mannetta, Richard - FDNY
Martin, Tom - NYPD
Marx, Larry - Trade
Mauro, Vito - NYPD
Mausberg, Gary - NYPD
Marzocchi, William - Trade
McAllan, Richard - EMS
McCaffery, Thomas -Trade
McCarthy, Jackie - NYPD
McCarthy, Jessy, Trade
McCarthy, Sean - FDNY
McCauley, Brian- NYS Fire Patrol
McCormick, Ryan -EMS
McLoughin, Kevin – FDNY
McMurry, Christopher - NYPD
McNamara, John - FDNY
Milosevich, Chad - Trade
Mitchell, Darren, - Trade
Mohamed, Brian – NYPD
Morales, Michael - NYPD
Moreau, William - FDNY
Mosiello, Steven – FDNY
Murray, John - FDNY
Natal, Reinaldo - FDNY
Navarra, Vic - FDNY
Nicosia, Robert - NYPD
Nuccio, Anthony - FDNY
O’Connor, William - FDNY
O’Neill, John – FDNY
Ortiz, Edwin - NYPD
Oswain, Robert - NYPD
Ott, Patrice - NYPD
Otten, Dick - FDNY
Pallas, Paul - PAPD
Paultre, Jacques - FDNY
Pearson, Brendon - EMS
Pennington, Glenford - NYPD
Peluso, Angelo - NYPD
Phillips, Samuel - Trade
Picurro, Joe - Ironworker
Quibell, Greg - NYS Corrections
Quick, Billy - FDNY
Ragucci, Ray - FDNY
Rasmussen, Edward - Trade
Reeve, Deborah - FDNY/EMT
Reilly Jr, Edward - FDNY
Reilly, Robert - Engineer
Rex, Gerald - NYPD
Rice, Robert- NYPD
Rivera, Roberto - NYPD
Roberts, Thomas - FDNY
Rodriguez, Paula - FDNY/EMT
Rogers, Kevin - Trade
Rooney, Philip - NYC DOT
Roberto, Charles - Trade
Rosario, Freddie – FDNY/EMT
Ryan, James - FDNY
Ryan, Michael - NYPD
Sanders, Etta - Media
Sanders, John - Trade
Santimarian, Anthony - Trade
Seabrook, Joseph – NYPD
Sealey, Clyde - FDNY
Schor, Robert - NYC Corrections
Shagi, Michael - FDNY
Simmons, John - Trade
Simmons, Martin - FDNY
Smith, Bobby - Trade
Smith, Harold - NYPD
Smith, Stephen - NYPD
Snadecky, Mark - Bridge & Tunnels
Sofia, Michael - FDNY
Sollazo, Michael - Trade
Stadelmann, John - NYPD
Stuck, Fredrick - Sheriff
Stewart, Daniel - FDNY
Sullivan Jr, John - FDNY
St. George, William - FDNY
Tancredi II, Jimmy - FDNY
Teague, David - Trade
Thomas, Jevon - Trade
Thompson, Edward - NYPD
Tietjen, Edward - FDNY
Tropea, William - FDNY
Vatter, Paul - EMT
Vaughan, John - FDNY
Viania, Bruce - PAPD
Vidro, Christopher - Security
Voight, Walter - FDNY
Wanamaker Jr, Harry - FDNY
Weiber, Robert - FDNY
Weintraub, Ronald - NYPD
Wiebicke, Randy - FDNY
Williamson, Robert – NYPD
Wilson Jr, William - FDNY
Winter, Richard - NYPD
Wong, George - NYPD
Yorganson, Matthew - Trade
Young, John - NYPD
Yurek, Stephen - PAPD/EMT
Zadroga, James - NYPD
Zane, Robert - NYPD
And if you want to go local if you don't know any of those people I can arrange for you to meet with some of the local widows.
For the rest I would have to dig deeper than what I deal with on a daily basis.
A guy who gets killed at home should not get the same treatment as a guy or girl who was killed at work doing their job, bottom line.

I didn't know Mike Purdy, everything everyone says about him was that he was all aces. But, why did he get a fire department funeral? I asked this same question when the "acting" Chief of Cold Spring PD died from a motor vehicle accident was given a full PD Honor funeral.
Acts like this dilute it when guys really get killed in a gun fight (Trooper Dave Brinkerhoff) or in a basement (lt Neuner).

So is Ladder 12 staffed or not? I should just call Rende, but its late and his wife gets pissed when I call after the babies are asleep. How can they close the one haz mat decon part of the response matrix? Shouldn't Westchester be footing part of the bill for them from all the DHS money they get?

I didn't know Mike Purdy, everything everyone says about him was that he was all aces. But, why did he get a fire department funeral? I asked this same question when the "acting" Chief of Cold Spring PD died from a motor vehicle accident was given a full PD Honor funeral.
Acts like this dilute it when guys really get killed in a gun fight (Trooper Dave Brinkerhoff) or in a basement (lt Neuner).

No cop's are not always on-duty, they have a duty to act, but that would be limited to what you 'see', and if you are an NYPD cop you are better off not seeing anything!
I am not here to question the character of the victim, but to bring it up would that mean if he was the guy who always broke stones and people didn't like he wouldn't get the same respect? How do you set up two trucks with a flag across the road and not compare it to a LODD funeral? I have been to over 100 funerals, I don't know many guys posting in this thread who can say the same. I am sure it meant the world to his family, and that is great, but when someone else dies at a job and they get the same response (people from other FD's) showing up in uniform what does that mean? That a man who was murdered is equal to a man who died trying to protect his neighbors or co-workers?
To think you know what the brotherhood is cause you went to a funeral is beyond me, how about you hop in the car with me Monday for Joey D's funeral, its 200 miles round trip from my house, but I will be there.

So when I worked in the HOUSE. I could date one of my coworkers Wives while I myself am still married. Get killed by that FF and get a LODD funeral. YEA RIGHT!!!
I witnessed this spectacle, Mahopac has forever cheapened the LODD funeral.

I agree. Drove by and witnessed it first hand. Millwood and somers ladders used to drape flag across rt 6. Turnouts and helmet positioned on chair in front of fhouse along with casket on back of engine. Police details driving around on gators. Been to several lodd unfortunately. Only thing missing was missing man formation and the amount of ffs in class A's. Not trying to disrespect but you have to draw the line. When u make the ultimate sacrifice you deserve the ultimate ceremony. Thoughts and prayers to all of the families and friends!

No cop's are not always on-duty, they have a duty to act, but that would be limited to what you 'see', and if you are an NYPD cop you are better off not seeing anything!
I am not here to question the character of the victim, but to bring it up would that mean if he was the guy who always broke stones and people didn't like he wouldn't get the same respect? How do you set up two trucks with a flag across the road and not compare it to a LODD funeral? I have been to over 100 funerals, I don't know many guys posting in this thread who can say the same. I am sure it meant the world to his family, and that is great, but when someone else dies at a job and they get the same response (people from other FD's) showing up in uniform what does that mean? That a man who was murdered is equal to a man who died trying to protect his neighbors or co-workers?
To think you know what the brotherhood is cause you went to a funeral is beyond me, how about you hop in the car with me Monday for Joey D's funeral, its 200 miles round trip from my house, but I will be there.

I didn't know Mike Purdy, everything everyone says about him was that he was all aces. But, why did he get a fire department funeral? I asked this same question when the "acting" Chief of Cold Spring PD died from a motor vehicle accident was given a full PD Honor funeral.
Acts like this dilute it when guys really get killed in a gun fight (Trooper Dave Brinkerhoff) or in a basement (lt Neuner).

I didn't know Mike Purdy, everything everyone says about him was that he was all aces. But, why did he get a fire department funeral? I asked this same question when the "acting" Chief of Cold Spring PD died from a motor vehicle accident was given a full PD Honor funeral.
Acts like this dilute it when guys really get killed in a gun fight (Trooper Dave Brinkerhoff) or in a basement (lt Neuner).

I didn't know Mike Purdy, everything everyone says about him was that he was all aces. But, why did he get a fire department funeral? I asked this same question when the "acting" Chief of Cold Spring PD died from a motor vehicle accident was given a full PD Honor funeral.
Acts like this dilute it when guys really get killed in a gun fight (Trooper Dave Brinkerhoff) or in a basement (lt Neuner).

I didn't know Mike Purdy, everything everyone says about him was that he was all aces. But, why did he get a fire department funeral? I asked this same question when the "acting" Chief of Cold Spring PD died from a motor vehicle accident was given a full PD Honor funeral.
Acts like this dilute it when guys really get killed in a gun fight (Trooper Dave Brinkerhoff) or in a basement (lt Neuner).

I didn't know Mike Purdy, everything everyone says about him was that he was all aces. But, why did he get a fire department funeral? I asked this same question when the "acting" Chief of Cold Spring PD died from a motor vehicle accident was given a full PD Honor funeral.
Acts like this dilute it when guys really get killed in a gun fight (Trooper Dave Brinkerhoff) or in a basement (lt Neuner).

Roads here have a serious crown to them. You start losing a load, just grab the oh $hit handle and cover your head with your other arm, pray coffee is not hot!

Read it again guys, I said allow members access to gas at the price the AHJ pays for it, not give it to them for free. Allow them to pay the 60 cents less a gallon for gas/fuel so they don't get murdered as much responding.

Has anyone looked in to the possibility of providing gas for members cars for volunteering? It seems like a no brainer to me as a retention tool. I would think the only hard part is managing the distribution. This program would give members gas or diesel at the price the AHJ pays for it, allowing members to have a nice savings over gas at the local pump. With prices not going any lower and the economic outlook not any better this would be a great program, kind of like that health care program that never materialized.