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According to NFPA Firefighting helmets can't be used after 10 years. The first line of your post says that you recieved it as a gift about 10 years ago. So technically it cant be bought and put into service by someone and still be following NFPA.

Even if it was never used it is still almost 10 years old....

Who are you talking to?

Bnechis I understand what your saying. But lets say your a dispatcher at 60 Control. You get a phone call reporting a fire. You dispatch the appropriate FD (Lets call them Dept X) after lets say 5 minutes you dont hear anything from anyone in Dept. X what do you do? Do you keep re-toning Dept X or do you dispatch the next closest (Dept Y)? I was just curious if there was a written policy, who made it, and what does it say.

Another thread got me thinking. Is there a set policy at 60 Control in the event they dispatch a call and there is no response? Lets say they dispatch a FD for a car fire, and no units from that FD sign on.... What happens? Is it agency specific or does the county have some sort of policy?

It cost Buffalo $4,100,000 this year for failing to meet 2in 2out in a double LODD. (thats just the civil payout)

Very true!!

FAST, RIT, MAT, 2-OUT, RESCUE TEAM, OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT MUST BE IN PLACE WHENEVER THERE ARE MEMBERS IN AN ILDH.

That's not my opinion, it's OSHA's and it's the law. You are not allowed to put your RIT to work without replacing them with another RIT first. OSHA doesn't particularly care exactly how you accomplish this but they are sticklers on that you accomplish this with no gaps.

Very well said. I can guarantee you if there is an accident or fatality and your not meeting 2in-2out the investiagtion will not end well for you.

I would like to point out that 60 control was dispatching departments for their FAST when in fact these departments never had one to begin with. Not sure how that happened but it did.

Can you elaborate?

I would like to say one thing about the article in the news paper. I am a member in the village of Mamaroneck and the kid that says he was a fireman he is know longer a member of the department and when we arived on the scene he was standing out side. He was clean as if he was going out for the night and also told us nobody was in the house. If the members of the department didn't do a search we would have never found her so don't go by what you read in the newspaper because it is false I was one of the first on scene and have to say the Vmfd did a great job to save the women.

Sounds suspicious...

NY OFPC should be installing a standard, I don't need cuomo or some politician saying what needs to be required etc.

OFPC has no enforcement authority in New York State. The only way I think this could be achieved is through New York State passing a labor law say 800.8 for example that details minimum training in the fire service similar to what we have for the bailout systems and workplace violence laws. Enforcement would be done by PESH (who inspects fire departments in NYS already). The only way for this to happen would be for the fire service to as a whole fight for it. But unfortunately I see a major association in NYS who would fight hard against this.

OSHA requires that supervisors have more advanced training than the general membership under the fire brigade standard. It does not specify what that training should be though. It is the responsibility of the employer to provide that training, and so as long at it is more than what you require from a firefighter you are meeting the requirements. Similar to the other topic OFPC has their "best practices" guide out there. In the eyes of OSHA/PESH in-house training is acceptable as long as the instructor has some credentials and the curriculum is appropriate.

CBS New York is reporting that the Rockland County District Attorney's office has cell phone video of the moments before impact from the boat.

“Our conversations with some of the survivors of this accident, including Brian Bond, make two things quite clear: the passengers on the boat—all mature, respected professionals in their thirties—had consumed very little alcohol and considered themselves sober,” the letter reads.

“None of them saw the barge,” the parents add. “They did not brace for impact and could not identify what they had hit—even after impact—as they desperately worked to direct the first responders coming to their aid

Excerpt from the Nyack-Piermont Patch article today... full article can be found at http://nyack.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/grieving-families-none-of-them-saw-the-barge-parents-ask-for-publics-help

That's not my style. I quote LA's Rodney King, "can't we all just get along (work) together?"

I really liked the Rodney King quote!!

Ossining needs dispatchers to handle there announcements like rigs out of service and special events like parades and other things that go on within Ossining FD I would think that 60 would not be able to handle that part of the dispatching.

But don't they get dispatched by the PD also?

Doesn't every PD have their own dispatch?

I've lost track of what EMS agencies have their own but Somers comes to mind.

The Somers Board of Fire Commissioners is currently exploring other options when it comes to dispatching.

Congrats to Yonkers on a progress and forward thinking unit. Looks well thought out. Who is the primary for this vehicle, PD, FD, OEM, Westchester DES or UASI? I see all five logos on the side.

Funny that you dont see any EMS logos on the side....

No pension and you MIGHT get 29k a year... hhmm?

RIP Trooper Martindale!!

I think it has become more of an issue of the quality of the people that we are giving drivers licenses to. I would love to see some sort of re-certification when you reach a certain age.

They have been using these on 684 for awhile now

I believe that this IS an option if the county chooses to run additional courses. The departments could work at the county level to accomplish that according to the DHSES OFPC report.

I have never heard of this but I am now very curious. So lets say my department called our county Coordinator and said "hey we want to have a Firefighter 2 class for our members" they would arrange and pay for a state instructor to come and teach it exclusively for us? Or am I missing something?

I guess it would depend on your list number and the amount of openings they are expecting to fill. I doubt that everyone on the list will be called back for the second interview.

Because it was not given by a certified state fire instructor. Anyone can run around saying that their FF's receive the proper curriculum in training drills in station, but how can you prove it? No file with the state through the instructors credentials, so it doesnt exist.

I accidentally hit the "like" button while trying to reply, sorry!

While for the most part true. The fire district has the ultimate power to train its employees not OFPC.

OSHA 1910.156©(3) States:

I have been out of the loop with training for a while but here goes....your department or AHD can adopt training standards for it's members providing it meets all applicable laws and standards. For example you can run a FF1 class that could meet the expectations of NFPA 1001 yet you could not issue a state certificate from OFPC for FF1 because it is not sponsored by OFPC but your AHD can issue a certificate. I would suggest that the person(s) who conducts the training be a certified instructor as it would hold up better if something was to happen. Please correct me if I am wrong.

In theory you could do that. You would want to show that the instructor(s) were competent and followed curriculum that met the standards. The easiest way would be to follow the OFPC curriculum. The member could be issued an in-house FF1 certificate but that carries no weight outside of that district. You will run into problems if your taking county or state classes due to the pre-requisites or even going mutual aide. It really is just not an efficient way to do it.