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Isn't Mount Vernon getting a new E-one tower?

This is a profound post and we should all keep these thoughts in mind before we make opinions..

Many a Mack CF could be had for under $10,000.. the NYC surplus auctions are one place in particular, as well as the plethora of apparatus resellers and collectors around. One in particular that comes to mind is a Mack CF/Baker/75' Aerialscope that sold for $6,000.00 through Firetec.. insane price despite the high mileage. Me.. I'm waiting for my Young +1 on the Terrapro.. especially the MP8 485hp/1700 ft/lbs... seems like an AWESOME rescue chassis as was the MR (in our case) or MC. I'd like to see some over-the-road opinions before I made an ultimate decision secondary to the new EPA B.S. though.

I can only imagine the mutual aid that it will run up here... it's been long overdue for a company to get one in the battalion. It's pretty sad when fire departments on the 28 corridor have to wait for a truck coming from Margaretville or Town of Ulster! I've seen this truck and it sure looks nice (aside from slime- but I have a feeling it'll ripen ). I like the fact that everyone will be throughly trained before it is put in service as opposed to jumping in unprepared. I know you guys took delivery in September (or even before) and are still training which is a great thing. God forbid someone didn't know how to switch from bucket power to turntable power at a fire or something Best of luck and I'll have to come down and harrass you guys some time and take some superbuff pics!

The best standpoint would be to uphold our homeland moral and standards; support the constitution, hold them to a fair trial, and express nothing but civility for all that uphold this certain "Jihad" Ideal.. then, put them in a jail cell for the rest of their life that has a wonderful view-

Now the other question is.. where are the twin Youngs (and are they for sale )

Man that seriously gives me palpatations to hear that it can't be saved at all because of some law.. that is one of the rarest pieces of apparatus ever made on US soil.. I would approach the district and ask the scrap co. to even buy the cab to paint it all up and put it in the EFFD headquarters building or on the grounds as a PR thing or SOMETHING (ie. in a park or underneath the outside covered patio). There's nothing better for a kid to be able to play in a "real life" fire engine cab while safe and indoors.. it would be great.. wire it all up so kids (or members) could play with the lights or something. It really kills me to say rip it apart, but if that will save that cab I would try ANYTHING. BTW that truck is very restorable as it sits right now 484- Work the angle that its a tax deduction to the fire department and that is was in service with the dept for over 20 years... If you need my help LMK. We'll go all sorts of "Gone in Sixty Seconds" if we need to LOL.. that truck is my Eleanor.

Yeah, she's a tall one.. and brandy new too.. DFW Airport had a 1998 E-one Cyclone/ Bronto 135' that is currently for sale Muscatine IA has a 1997 E-one Cyclone/ Bronto 135' And now for the stupid stuff- WTF right? So she was at the New England Show in 2000.. a Bronto 174 HDT that E-one had as a nationwide demo from 1998-2002 which they could never sell (for the obvious reason that it is just rediculous). I think it was a "look what manufacturer has the biggest b*lls" type of thing. I'm unsure if any US city bought one or has one but I'm about 99.9% sure that this particular unit went to India and no more are in the US of this size. This was based on a frankenstein Hurricane chassis with the tandem front/rear axles. This truck weighed more than a military transport plane. Here she is straight out the factory- So then Calgary had to to be cool and buy this 164'- ....crazy Canadians. There are Brontos overseas that are 300' ! Um, yeah.. They did have a 200'+ in Ocala almost 10 years ago when I visited but I believe that went to Canada too (on an Andersen Chassis). I think E-one did assembly work in the Ocala plant. The booms are actually shipped to them from Sweden for all of the stateside vehicles.

They both do.. although it depends how many Mr. Jacobson has out on "loan" at present. I've known Mahlon and Norm for a while.. I always joke with Norm about AFDs rescue and how he should "take it off our hands" however he states since he saw it go at auction for less than 5% of what AFD paid for it it would be a hard bargain... It's always great talking to them.. it's hard to find psycho hardcore apparatus buffs around anymore. It's great (and rare) to hear the two of them talk to each other about how classic ALF is better than Mack and vice versa. It's like hearing two 8 year old girls argue whether Jem is better than Barbie. You should ask Mr. Irish about the unfortunate series of events that occured with a "yellow" ALF 900 series and a body of water..

Young Fire Apparatus made less than 100 Crusader I chassis apparatus between 1968-1972. If the old 39-45 isn't too far gone it would be a STEAL for $4500 for the chassis alone. The Crusader I is by FAR my favorite Apparatus ever! Rediculously advanced for their time and reliable to boot. I lost the bid on that New Hyde Park engine posted here and on Ebay in the last 30 secs of the auction. I really should have jumped on Nelsonville's when they disbanded. My goal is to own one at some point in the near future. I have my eye on one in the Hudson Valley but it's still in service at this point (pop quiz for some hot shot buffs). Check it out.. might be worth it for the District.

I like the idea, but the transverse compartment goes against one of the best advantages to a type 3 ambulance- if the patient in the back loses their s**t the attendant in the back has nowhere to go.. at least you have a securable passageway to the front if something goes REALLY wrong back there in a normally spec'd type 3. The lower center of gravity comment on the manufacturers' website is retarded.. the backboard and misc. long supplies weigh maybe 300 lbs (incl. M O2 cyl)... not a huge difference. Perhaps the transverse could be engineered to be made at the rearward most lower compartment area behind the rear tires to be a little more efficient if they want to spec a compartment of that style. It's like advertising an "air bag deflator"- sounds good but does it truly serve the best purpose for the money? You have to unbuckle if in the "medic seat" to make a radio report or switch channels. The crew chief chair doubles as a child safety seat (which rocks)... that's why it doesn't have 5 point harnesses. Air horns are for squads that need to compensate for something.. ....which is why I spec'd 2 on our new ambulance (in the front bumper of course) I really wish I had $130,000 to spend on an ambulance.. nice thought on the rig though

Not to start a flame war BUT.. What do you think of "Smokey" in the Suburban or Expedition who holds off second dispatch to "investigate" the A/F/A, CO call w/o symptoms, etc. on the lonesome during the daytime, peak hour responses? Same stuff but occuring everywhere and more so a reality lately secondary to "manpower apathy".. listen and you'll realize it happens more than you think. This idea isn't a shock to me.. it has been something that has been going on in Orange/Dutchess/Putnam/Westchester/Ulster for years however "Smokey" is in the form of a Chief in a district vehicle. It only takes one lawsuit.. liability is the tie that binds in public safety.

Reg.# 7-1-9202 - 1964 ALF 900 Series Aero Chief 90 This was the first 90' Aero Chief. Outriggers on early 80' and 90' models used a different style A-Frame system that was hinged at the top of the outrigger. This style would swing out from the bottom, then extend toward the ground, giving it a wider stance then the standard A-Frame. After years of service with Poughkeepsie, this one was sold to a painting contractor in Morristown, NJ. It was later scrapped in 1995

Wow.. and the plot thickens. Remember not to drive like an A-hole out there boys! "is on unpaid administrative leave"- did someone at the paper forget he was volunteering or does P-Town have paid drivers or career guys now?

And you didn't call me why? You could have stopped by!

OK.. we'll get you a beer too....

Oh shoot... that's right

Alright, lets all go out for a beer... As a wise member of this forum once said; I'm glad no lives were lost over this LOL!

And bashing every Carrer Firefighter in Dutchess County.. but that's OK... because you were just stating an opinion, that's all. UNREAL

Mike, I too was on the ALS unit responding from Arlington to the Lagrange mutual aid along with x134. The response to Lagrange today was long... to the farthest point in their District that we will cover, however the patient in need had a response of an ALS ambulance, a BLS ambulance, a fire chief, and a Lagrange Paramedic. From time of Dispatch to TOA of the first medical personnel was 5 minutes. Our response time was 14 minutes. The closest ALS ambulance in service at the time of the alarm aside from AFD was more than likely Beekman 34-79 which would have had a similar if not longer response. Lagrange EMS SOP requires a paramedic dispatched on all calls regardless just like AFD. This patient was transported ALS aboard Lagrange so your BLS Ambulance from Union Vale would have been cancelled if you assembled and responded immediately. The manpower tones were to free up the AFD ambulance so that we could cover our district which was also stripped and had Mobile Life Support standing by at our HQ to look out for our own taxpayers. The patient was transported by a Lagrange Medic, on a Lagrange Ambulance without need of any additional resources and recieved definitive medical care in less than 5 minutes.. which is what the ultimate goal is of any Fire District. Arlington and Lagrange have a mutual aid agreement for reciprocal municipal EMS services when one is out of ambulances. This agreement exists secondary to our close proximity to most of the Town of Lagrange and lack of similar services nearby. One of the reasons is that any individual in the Arlington Fire District and Lagrange Fire District requiring EMS does not incur a bill from those services.. that's what they get for their tax bill (as well as two top notch Fire/EMS districts). Just to give you a little insight also; Lagrange and Arlington are combination departments.. which means we have both Volunteers and these "So called paid staff". I believe that your limited time in the fire service and cavalier attitude may give some insight into your comments. I am wholeheartedly for individuals that are compassionate about their jobs as volunteers or paid staff, however to make such gross generalizations about neighboring departments is very counterproductive to ones advancement and image in the fire service. Another idea to keep in mind for the future- if you have to end your post with "Oh and just so I dont get accused of hiding behind a keyboard and runing my mouth my Name is" I would seriously reconsider hitting that add reply button since you are more than likely making a mistake. Your comments are a poor reflection on your department and I suggest before you state an opinion you get your facts straight and check with one of your senior FFs or Officers. Regards, Richard W. Muellerleile Firefighter/ Paramedic, Arlington Fire District Captain, Town of Shandaken Ambulance Service

Dutchess County, Cat saving capitol of the world I guess.. LOL

What does Mr. Petsas do for a living?

Those whom think EMTs are stupid should look at their cards and see that before the "- Paramedic" or "Intermediate" there are the letters "EMT". Never forget your roots. You bring up a good point about the Epinephrine and these are the ideas that individuals should take to their peers, officers, REMAC/REMSCO/SEMAC , Etc.. to discuss and furthur review. However... .. Keep in mind Training, Cost efficiency, liability, and practicioner compliance are all things that are weighed into such decisions. Does it make sense for that or other progressive ideas/ treatments to be rolled out if it is good for the patient? OF COURSE! Do we as dedicated practicioners or John Doe as the patient give a damn about the cost? HELL NO! However to the individuals that ultimately make the determination that we should roll such things out in the field these are substantial topics that cannot be dismissed. As I have learned over the years.. what's good for one is not nessicarilly good for the other. As we strive to take a holistic approach to the patient we must now keep in mind that same holistic approach to the EMS system in general regarding such decisions. What the hell do I know.. I'm just an EMT like everyone else on this forum... Rich

Just some things to keep in mind.. In NYS curriculum and NREMT the EMT-B, I, CC, and EMT-P assessments vary only slightly. The EMT-P may intervene with advanced skills however interview, transport determination, ABCs, SAMPLE, OPQRST, etc.. are all the same. IMHO, the individual provider at any level must master the art of a proper interview and assessment above all else. This is the framework that defines the best practitioner(s) in the field today when practiced alongside outstanding patient rapport. These are the skills that will definitavely provide the patient with the best care possible aside from all of the fancy auto injectors and B.S. electronic PCR pads. It is the almost unanimous thought that the EMT-Basic Curriculum is lacking in many aspects and should be more "holistic". I believe that the EMT-B curriculum in NYS provides just enough for the individual to develop a framework to become an informed prehospital provider. It takes years in the field to become a true "practicioner" of prehospital medicine and this is a thing that all 57,398 providers in NYS at least strive for I would hope. Unfortunately time constraints, second and third jobs to make ends meet, and demanding recertification processes almost make a longer class for those interested parties unrealistic. Think of those Vacs up in St. Lawrence County for example... how many new certs.would you get if the class was say 450 hours.. how many new Paramedics would Alamo get if the class was a 4 year program and paid the same as today.. would we still be satisfied being called a McJob after 4 years of schooling? As far as advanced skills are concerned I believe it is an asset to our patients that basics may administer select medications such as Albuterol, assist with NTG, ASA, etc.. however it is the duty of the provider's agency and medical director to affirm the competancy in every advanced skill outside of the normal scope of practice. It is the duty of providers to live by that certain thing that we live by day to day in the field and we learn the first day of EMT-B class.. the phrase that is erroneously thought to be contained in the Hippocratic Oath; "Primum non nocere" or "First, do no harm". It is the duty of our regional EMS councils and SEMAC to determine which expanded practices may be implemented which are in laymen's terms "foolproof" keeping in mind that same premise. This is why, while also looking at national and statewide statistics, EMT-Bs do not intubate. Combine with the overwhelming statistics the overall costs of outfitting squads with the additional nessicary equipment to do so and you have successfully ran most volunteer and even some paid services out the door. With the recent (unfunded) regional mandate for continuous capnography you are seeing agencies in spin mode. Believe it or not there are agencies out there wondering how they are going to equip their personnel with ANSI compliant vests due to the economic status of our municipalities locally... let alone the 10 other unfunded mandates by National/ State/ Regional entities this year alone. It is without a doubt that 12 lead EKG and transmission, endotracheal intubation and advanced airway devices, adult I/O, and prehospital delivery of select medications are a great benefit to those in need of immediate intervention and are proven to work, however the opportunity and economy costs of such investments do not facilitate changing regional or statewide protocols to allow basics to provide such services secondary to those costs, and quality assurance/ improvement issues. Not to start a flame war with the previous statements, but to put it into perspective with a true example- why do you think most services rely on Albuterol as their primary bronchodialator and not Levalbuterol (Xoponex)? It's not because Albuterol is the better or more efficient drug... it's because it's cheaper! Levalbuterol is a bronchodialator just like Albuterol with the exception of that it effects only the receptors in the lungs (beta 2) as opposed to both the heart and the lungs like its cheaper counterpart. The issue is that most agencies can't stomach the $60.00 per box of 24 and the local EMS regulatory agencies realize that. Thus we deal with a drug that basic level providers can administer, however they now have to worry about a list of contraindications which you must contact medical control about even before administration instead of one that produces far less untoward effect. Is that worth the $52.71 you are saving buying a box of 25 Albuterol? You do the math... is a transmit capable LP12, recieving staion at the hospital, end tidal CO2, continuous waveform capnography, intubation kit, secondary "blind device" (ie. King, EOA, EGTA, Combitube, LMA), CPAP, and nessicary communitcation devices feasible for your "expanded practice" BLS VAC or grassroots BLS commercial service? If so I envy you and do not envy your taxpayers. For the record I am a HUGE proponent to expanded service however I know that dollars and cents will dishearten me as it has over the past 10 years I have been involved in Emergency Services. I think that CPAP foremost, should be a BLS skill. However knowing the overhead with such equipment I know that this would be a shot in the dark at best if made apparent at a REMAC meeting secondary to compliance and QA/QI. The sad truth is that ALS providers are far more likely to face the eradication of field intubation before BLS providers will see it as an alternative in their protocols of taught in their curriculum. As much as we have seen it work in the field nationally the decision makers see it as a shortfall. The best thing that present day practitioners can do is keep up on your CME, stay informed, and above all practice good medicine in the form of thorough assessment and early informed determination of treatment modality. Remember that just because it sounds like a "cool" idea and you might be capable of it the other 36,943 EMT-Bs in NYS might not be able to.. and the same goes to Is, CCs, and Medics as well. If you think that something could be better or work more efficiently tell your agency head/ medical director/ region and maybe you can make a difference. Be safe out there, Rich

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