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just had 4 guys from Detroit Fd in last week not a lot of surround and drown, more like 3 - 5 fires a shift and get your ass kicked. And for no money, and now no city pension. More like a 401-k. Shame what the city has done to that dept. And you don't try to be a firefighter for a couple of years, it isn't like buying a car to see if you like it.

There should be a set standard, at least in theory. But the real question is "can it be implemented?"

A simple, "I did not realize that anyone would ever take that as derogatory, I am sorry." Would have stopped this all.

A simple, "I did not realize that anyone would ever take that as derogatory, I am sorry." Would have stopped this all.

A simple, "I did not realize that anyone would ever take that as derogatory, I am sorry." Would have stopped this all.

Great, just what Orange County needs..... another department. We should be thinking about how to provide more streamline and consistent responses instead of forming another kingdom. Lets address the issues at hand (which is witnessed everyday lately) such as responding for calls of service in a timely manner with a crew (not 1 or 2 guys). Why do departments (usually the same departments everyday) continually not crew up for a call, yet no plans seem to ever be put in place to correct the problem? Last week there was a department who could not even get out for a structure fire, mutual aid departments who were sent (only after the first department could not crew) had to respond and extinguish the fire (good thing fire only doubles in size every 30-60 seconds).
This is the last thing Orange County needs, we should be working together towards consolidation and not duplicating resources.

I believe the USMA West Point has/or is planning to provide rescue helicopter services since the last issue on their base.

Apparently, as of today, the Hudson Valley REMSCO has suspended all Care 1 ALS services in the Hudson Valley region based on complaints from the NYS DOH. I don't know if this is also occuring in the other regions that Care 1 services. In Orange County it appears that Mobile Life will be covering the Care 1 coverage area until further notice.

During the current list at least the City of Beacon made it past the residency list. I was canvased from Orange County and they hired at least 1 guy from Ulster County.

The firemen put up quite a goal line stand in the last minute to hold off the cops 16-14.

This Sunday, 1/13/13, members of the Middletown Professional Firefighters and Middletown PBA will take to the field for a flag football game to benefit the Wounded Warriors Project. Donation of $5 for entry.
Should be a great time, and raise some money for a great cause.
Football Flyer-2.pdf

During the current list at least the City of Beacon made it past the residency list. I was canvased from Orange County and they hired at least 1 guy from Ulster County.

Mobile Life Support 81,210. (Emergency & Non-emergency)
I remember only a few years ago (2006?) it was a big deal we broke 50,000/yr.

Date: January 4, 2013
Time: 22:24hrs
District: Walden
Location: 46 Seely St. x Liberty & Madison
1st Alarm Units: Walden
2nd Alarm Units: Coldenham FAST, Montgomery T-221, Montgomery VAC 475
Transfers: Wallkill E-64-11 & Maybrook E-215 s/b Walden Sta. 1
Frequency: OC Fire Dispatch, OC UHF FG-A,
Weather Conditions: Cold
Reporters: 201/65

Description: 1.5 sty single family, fire venting from window upon 911 notification, venting from multiple windows on 1st floor upon arrival of first units. Fire extended into 2nd floor/attic voids, knocked down with 2 1.75" lines.

Date: January 4, 2013
Time: 22:24hrs
District: Walden
Location: 46 Seely St. x Liberty & Madison
1st Alarm Units: Walden
2nd Alarm Units: Coldenham FAST, Montgomery T-221, Montgomery VAC 475
Transfers: Wallkill E-64-11 & Maybrook E-215 s/b Walden Sta. 1
Frequency: OC Fire Dispatch, OC UHF FG-A,
Weather Conditions: Cold
Reporters: 201/65

Description: 1.5 sty single family, fire venting from window upon 911 notification, venting from multiple windows on 1st floor upon arrival of first units. Fire extended into 2nd floor/attic voids, knocked down with 2 1.75" lines.

Mobile Life Support 81,210. (Emergency & Non-emergency)
I remember only a few years ago (2006?) it was a big deal we broke 50,000/yr.

You can find the exam announcement and application on our website.
Residency requirements are: Orange County or within 25 miles of the city.
Middletown Professional Firefighters
**This is an unofficial radius estimate for REFERENCE ONLY**

You can find the exam announcement and application on our website.
Residency requirements are: Orange County or within 25 miles of the city.
Middletown Professional Firefighters
**This is an unofficial radius estimate for REFERENCE ONLY**

Per OC OEM the following have already deployed:
Greenwood Lake FD
Unionville FD
Vails Gate FD
Walden FD
West Point FD
Winona Lake FD
Woodbury FD
OC Fire Coordinators

Per OC OEM the following have already deployed:
Greenwood Lake FD
Unionville FD
Vails Gate FD
Walden FD
West Point FD
Winona Lake FD
Woodbury FD
OC Fire Coordinators

If you've given up, get the hell out of the classroom. I've sat in classes taught by instructors that have "given up" and they usually suck! The best classes, and those that fill up the fastest, are taught by people with passion for the subject and their job as the instructor and more than just a little knowledge/experience. If you've got the knowledge and experience, dig up some passion and keep trying to educate the youth in the fire service. You may not be able to change the minds of other dinosaurs like me but we're not the ones that you have to pass the baton to.
We've all banged our heads against rock walls when people simply refuse to change or adapt. But as I read this thread you're doing the same thing. You're saying that we can't increase the standard because volunteers simply don't have the time and we should further water down our training and make it on-line. Most on-line training sucks. Most people don't actually train, they just look for the answers to the test questions and their fancy certificate. That's not training.
We need to cut the BS and establish a real standard for FF training in NY. Virtually every other state has done it and we can too. There's no reason for career FF to have one standard and volunteer FF to have another (that may not even be enforced). The time has come to do away with this interior/exterior crap and make everyone a firefighter. Can't do it? Fine, we'll find some other role for you but it won't be called firefighter. We've been whittling away at this stuff for too long and it makes me sick.
There's one standard for everyone else. Cop, EMT, paramedic, barber, cosmetologist. All one standard. FF, there's nothing. Unless you're a career FF and you have to meet the 229 regs. Other states do it, we can to. We just have to stop making excuses and start making changes!
Let's say the standard is 400 hours to be designated a firefighter. There's no reason why you can't break that down into courses that volunteers can take on a part-time schedule.
Time to stop the nonsense and start fixing this problem!

Per the Columbia County 911 and Columbia County Emergency Management Office's facebooks the 15 mile shelter in place has been lifted. EPA air monitoring shows no unsafe levels of any contaminates in the air.

This is one of the sorriest excuses for a document I have ever seen. All it does is "recommend." Yes, NY is a home rule state, but it does Require 229 hours of training for career firefighters under their document Administrative Standards for Firefighters. Where's the "home rule" in that? I believe the State could require a lot but just chooses not to. Even the 229 hours is minimal. Responsible fire departments are giving their probies somewhere in the range of 400 hours before they hit the street. Along with that, the required 100 hrs per annum cannot scratch the surface of the things they should be training on annually.
Where was home rule when the state mandated PASS devices and personal escape systems? The state jumped right over home rule when enough people demanded these items, and the state can do it in regards to training. All you have to do is get together and make a stink to enough stste legislators.
The argument for "home rule" and "recommendations instead of requirements" over the years has usually been something along the lines of "If we force too much training on firefighters, we will lose volunteers." Well, how would you rather lose them, because you require too much training, or would you rather carry them out in stokes baskets and put their name on that ever growing stone monument in Albany. (By the way, that monument sits in front of the place where they only "recommended" training. Ironic, isn't it?) This is not a salvo aimed at volunteers, either. The vols that see the need for training will stay.
I spent almost 35 years on the fire department and I cannot remember a time when I didn't want more skills and knowledge. Even in retirement, I am still learning. The Authority Having Jurisdiction should be within yourself. You should be begging your department for more training and knowledge.
How would you feel if you were personally responsible for losing a guy because you chose not to train on whatever killed your fellow firefighter? You have to live with that for the rest of your life?
Never let a man say that his training let him down.

Mitt Romney Mocks Obama For Wanting More Firemen, Policemen, Teachers
The Huffington Post | By Elise Foley Posted: 06/08/2012 4:21 pm Updated: 06/08/2012 5:49 pm

A lot of people seem to forget, even in NYC PD and FD are rarely first on scene to a distress call. The first responders to flight 1549 were the NY Waterways ferries.