Monty

Dont Orange County property owners benifit from having all the properties that are undisirable in one place? Dont most home buyers look to avoid having places like this on their block?
This is one reason why most of the country has county wide services, everyone benifits.

There's some other agencies out there that are in far worst shape. I guess because they're not on 46.26, it doesn't count?
Even if both of the Croton ambulances were crewed the other day, two calls would have went to Mutual Aid.
Should an ambulance show up everytime it is dispatched? Yes. Is it a reality when you do not have paid staffing, you lack available volunteer resources and most of your members can't afford to live in the jurisdiction they belong to? No.
The issue here shouldn't be aired out on this forum. If someone has a legitimate concern about the response capabilities of Croton EMS, then contact Croton EMS direct.
That is all.
Here is their contact information: CEMS

Mr. Flynn- in reference to your concerns, I totally understand but I have to say CEMS just like any other agency around us aims to provide the best patient care. If you need response times etc. you will have to get a hold of a CEMS officer as this isn't something I would have access to at this time. Prior to leaving the agency, times were being worked on and they were under the National standard of I believe 8 mins (if I remember correctly). I also have relatives and friends living in Croton and I can assure you that CEMS has put the community as the top priority, I can assure you of that. Just like Croton FD, CEMS is an excellent agency that delivers the best service to our neighbors. Like any other agency, items will always need attention, no ones perfect. If you have any other questions, check on the Village of Croton website and email one of the officers of CEMS if you have concerns or questions.
I have to agree though, it maybe time to look at some alternatives/changes to handle issues at hand, and if it's hiring a emt or crew so be it. But I'm confident that CEMS and the Village of Croton will make the best decision for the community.

Generally, it seems the difference is that a Chief is a lifetime employee, come up through the ranks, has the experience. A commissioner is a political appointee - and politics change over time.
One big thing here is talk of cost savings, however I don't see factored in overtime, backfill costs etc - whether YFD, WPFD or whoever does more mutual aid or the WCPD picks up the slack for additional calls and training.
Also, if DPS has 32 techs, how many are on duty at a time? Presumably, on average, about 8. That's a pretty small number, so again there is a delay in getting more people to the scene and additional costs or will they not backfill or call people in for overtime? Also, where are these officers coming from - presumably almost anywhere in the County.
I know in theory the responsbile party can be billed for Hazmat incidents - but what if it's only a suspected incident?
There's also question of Chain of Command - are we all going to play nice? Has anyone from DPS reached out to Fire/EMS? Is any hazmat call now a crime scene and PD are in charge? A chlorine spill at the local water plant? Or are PD going to be happy working under the local (volunteer?) Chief?
Just a couple of other things. Sharing of real estate does seem like a good idea - but why couldn't the DPS tactical village be incorporated in to the DES strip mall?
It's interesting there are no estimates of current day costs to relocate one or other dispatch centers compared to the mentioned savings in reduced supervisory staff.
My last thoughts are that it's interesting that in the press highlighting the fact that there will no reduction in headcount to the Police - however, in the document it only shows DES folk, uniformed and otherwise losing their positions. I hope that the Deputy Commssioner for Fire Services is a very persuasive person - he's going to be surrounded by LEO's above, and around looking to get the most of the budget dollars.

Generally, it seems the difference is that a Chief is a lifetime employee, come up through the ranks, has the experience. A commissioner is a political appointee - and politics change over time.
One big thing here is talk of cost savings, however I don't see factored in overtime, backfill costs etc - whether YFD, WPFD or whoever does more mutual aid or the WCPD picks up the slack for additional calls and training.
Also, if DPS has 32 techs, how many are on duty at a time? Presumably, on average, about 8. That's a pretty small number, so again there is a delay in getting more people to the scene and additional costs or will they not backfill or call people in for overtime? Also, where are these officers coming from - presumably almost anywhere in the County.
I know in theory the responsbile party can be billed for Hazmat incidents - but what if it's only a suspected incident?
There's also question of Chain of Command - are we all going to play nice? Has anyone from DPS reached out to Fire/EMS? Is any hazmat call now a crime scene and PD are in charge? A chlorine spill at the local water plant? Or are PD going to be happy working under the local (volunteer?) Chief?
Just a couple of other things. Sharing of real estate does seem like a good idea - but why couldn't the DPS tactical village be incorporated in to the DES strip mall?
It's interesting there are no estimates of current day costs to relocate one or other dispatch centers compared to the mentioned savings in reduced supervisory staff.
My last thoughts are that it's interesting that in the press highlighting the fact that there will no reduction in headcount to the Police - however, in the document it only shows DES folk, uniformed and otherwise losing their positions. I hope that the Deputy Commssioner for Fire Services is a very persuasive person - he's going to be surrounded by LEO's above, and around looking to get the most of the budget dollars.

Date: 7/9
Time: 22:37
Location: 91 Hickory Lane, Bedford Google Maps
Frequency: FG 3, Trunk 16, Ops 2, EMS 16, Ops 1 (Tanker Ops)
Units Operating: 2041, 2042, 2043, B16, 2281, 2284, 2211, 2022, TL 57 E108, E109, E110, E113, T7, Mt Kisco FAST, 62B1, T9, 2033, 2063, E146, 62B1, 67B2, 78B1, MA7, 2581, R31, 45 Medic 4. E146 (cover company)
Weather Conditions: Hot
Description Of Incident: Confirmed Structure Fire
Reporters:
Writer: monty
22:41 Armonk, Katonah, Banksville Tankers
22:42 E198 and Bedford Hills respond per B16
22:43 T36 responding
22:44 R44 responding
22:45 2041 / B16 request Chappaqua engine to Bedford to cover.
22:46 T5 Responding
22:48 T7 responding
22:48 Mount Kisco 1 engine to standby at Bedford Hills
** Difficulty with water supply due to long stretch involved **
** Tankers staging at intersection of Grove and Hickory. **
** Water source at Seminary and Village Green **
22:54 T6 On Scene. Fill Site being set up. T5 on scene.
22:58 Additional Engine required to complete lay up Hickory - E110 to complete next strech of 5"
23:05 B16 updates, 1 story residential, 25 x 50, no exposures, fully involved, exterior operations in progress
23:09 60 control reports 20-30 minute ETA for NYSEG
23:10 2041 requests 1 ambulance to stage behind TL57 for rehab
23:14 Mini Attack 7 responding to fill site
23:19 C&O Zone 5 paged
23:22 52B1 responding. 2 FF being treated by EMS & Medic on scene.
23:24 R31 to respond to shut down Rd at water fill site. Chappaqu engine to cover until rescue on scene.
23:27 Fire starting to darken down.
23:27 *** Have to leave the computer - unlikely to get any more updates ***

Date: 7/9
Time: 22:37
Location: 91 Hickory Lane, Bedford Google Maps
Frequency: FG 3, Trunk 16, Ops 2, EMS 16, Ops 1 (Tanker Ops)
Units Operating: 2041, 2042, 2043, B16, 2281, 2284, 2211, 2022, TL 57 E108, E109, E110, E113, T7, Mt Kisco FAST, 62B1, T9, 2033, 2063, E146, 62B1, 67B2, 78B1, MA7, 2581, R31, 45 Medic 4. E146 (cover company)
Weather Conditions: Hot
Description Of Incident: Confirmed Structure Fire
Reporters:
Writer: monty
22:41 Armonk, Katonah, Banksville Tankers
22:42 E198 and Bedford Hills respond per B16
22:43 T36 responding
22:44 R44 responding
22:45 2041 / B16 request Chappaqua engine to Bedford to cover.
22:46 T5 Responding
22:48 T7 responding
22:48 Mount Kisco 1 engine to standby at Bedford Hills
** Difficulty with water supply due to long stretch involved **
** Tankers staging at intersection of Grove and Hickory. **
** Water source at Seminary and Village Green **
22:54 T6 On Scene. Fill Site being set up. T5 on scene.
22:58 Additional Engine required to complete lay up Hickory - E110 to complete next strech of 5"
23:05 B16 updates, 1 story residential, 25 x 50, no exposures, fully involved, exterior operations in progress
23:09 60 control reports 20-30 minute ETA for NYSEG
23:10 2041 requests 1 ambulance to stage behind TL57 for rehab
23:14 Mini Attack 7 responding to fill site
23:19 C&O Zone 5 paged
23:22 52B1 responding. 2 FF being treated by EMS & Medic on scene.
23:24 R31 to respond to shut down Rd at water fill site. Chappaqu engine to cover until rescue on scene.
23:27 Fire starting to darken down.
23:27 *** Have to leave the computer - unlikely to get any more updates ***

Sorry for the rant - but it might make me feel better
I know we've talked about the letter of the law here and volunteer fire/ems providers. But what's got my goat a few times lately has been tow trucks!
The other day I was behind one that was very patriotic. Had flashing red, blue and white lights on the back, and at the time it was just carrying a car on the flat bed down 9A. Today there was one coming the other way on 9A that had flashing white lights on the light bar - again with a car on the flat bed.
Do they ever get tickets? At what point I wonder would they get tickets? And we wonder why people don't pull over for flashing lights .... this certainly doesn't help the cause. I'm not sure why they really need warning lights when they're traveling with a load on the flat bed - if they've secured it properly.
Thank you!

Fire Departments and there response times do not "hurt the community we protect". More often than not, our communities are served be either paid emergency services or volunteer services or some combination of the two. Most communities outside of the larger cities utilize volunteer services because the call volume, and type of response required by the emergency has not waranted the incremental spending that would be required by a paid organization. Financially, a volunteer organization operates at a fraction of the cost of a paid organization and the majority of calls that most volunteer organizations respond to, do not include a life hazard or significant property dammage threat. Therefore if a politician were to employ a risk/benefit assesment to the situation, they would not find much documentation that an a quicker response time would have altered the outcome of the situation. There are, however, some exceptions and should a situation arise that response time significantly altered the outcome of the situation, the community and the politicians would have to re-evaluate the existing services. The key question to ask is would a homeowner in a bedroom community be willing to have their fire tax increase from a few hundred dollars a year to a few thousand dollars a year? Right or wrong, I don't see it happening. We all serve at the pleaseure of our communities.
Just my two cents!!