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Absent from most of this banter has been the giant elephant that is the Port Chester volunteers.
 
Now I am not suggesting that the rank and file were part of the negotiations prior to the dismissal of the entire career force, but this thread looks to be painted with financial blame with little said about the animus toward the Union.
 
So where is the widespread support from the PCFD volunteers? Yes, there are a handful out there support the laid off members, but with claims of upwards of 300 volunteers to support the village...one would think that more than a handful would show visible support?
 
Why have more volunteers not taken a stand with their "brother" career firefighters?
 
Have we not heard time and time again "that we are all brothers?", "the fire doesn't care if you are paid or volunteer", "I am a professional too" and other countless canned lines of absolute BS for years on this board and others out there.
 
Where is the cry of the volunteers? Where is the Chief pounding the desk?
 
In places like Lawrence (MA) and Providence (RI) were departments were dissimated due to the agenda of a Mayor, Fire Chiefs have resigned in protest (no worries, some boob is always found to sit-in), but the leader took a stand in protest.
 
I'll throw the gauntlet to the PCFD Chief and other "leaders" at his side....you sure have been quiet about this issue. Your silence is deafening. When will you stand?
 
There must be a bunch of hearing impaired individuals that live in "la-la-land" on this board if they still want to pretend that this was solely a financial crisis. This appears to be nothing more than good old fashioned retribution against a small labor union.
 
You want to know why?....Wait for the court documents and depositions...nothing like a nice controlled and sterile legal environment to find truth and oppress political smoke.
 
Who will stand? The Chief? His subordinates? The Volunteers?
 
BMA 
 
 
 
 
 

 
Absent from most of this banter has been the giant elephant that is the Port Chester volunteers.
 
Now I am not suggesting that the rank and file were part of the negotiations prior to the dismissal of the entire career force, but this thread looks to be painted with financial blame with little said about the animus toward the Union.
 
So where is the widespread support from the PCFD volunteers? Yes, there are a handful out there support the laid off members, but with claims of upwards of 300 volunteers to support the village...one would think that more than a handful would show visible support?
 
Why have more volunteers not taken a stand with their "brother" career firefighters?
 
Have we not heard time and time again "that we are all brothers?", "the fire doesn't care if you are paid or volunteer", "I am a professional too" and other countless canned lines of absolute BS for years on this board and others out there.
 
Where is the cry of the volunteers? Where is the Chief pounding the desk?
 
In places like Lawrence (MA) and Providence (RI) were departments were dissimated due to the agenda of a Mayor, Fire Chiefs have resigned in protest (no worries, some boob is always found to sit-in), but the leader took a stand in protest.
 
I'll throw the gauntlet to the PCFD Chief and other "leaders" at his side....you sure have been quiet about this issue. Your silence is deafening. When will you stand?
 
There must be a bunch of hearing impaired individuals that live in "la-la-land" on this board if they still want to pretend that this was solely a financial crisis. This appears to be nothing more than good old fashioned retribution against a small labor union.
 
You want to know why?....Wait for the court documents and depositions...nothing like a nice controlled and sterile legal environment to find truth and oppress political smoke.
 
Who will stand? The Chief? His subordinates? The Volunteers?
 
BMA 
 
 
 
 
 

 
Absent from most of this banter has been the giant elephant that is the Port Chester volunteers.
 
Now I am not suggesting that the rank and file were part of the negotiations prior to the dismissal of the entire career force, but this thread looks to be painted with financial blame with little said about the animus toward the Union.
 
So where is the widespread support from the PCFD volunteers? Yes, there are a handful out there support the laid off members, but with claims of upwards of 300 volunteers to support the village...one would think that more than a handful would show visible support?
 
Why have more volunteers not taken a stand with their "brother" career firefighters?
 
Have we not heard time and time again "that we are all brothers?", "the fire doesn't care if you are paid or volunteer", "I am a professional too" and other countless canned lines of absolute BS for years on this board and others out there.
 
Where is the cry of the volunteers? Where is the Chief pounding the desk?
 
In places like Lawrence (MA) and Providence (RI) were departments were dissimated due to the agenda of a Mayor, Fire Chiefs have resigned in protest (no worries, some boob is always found to sit-in), but the leader took a stand in protest.
 
I'll throw the gauntlet to the PCFD Chief and other "leaders" at his side....you sure have been quiet about this issue. Your silence is deafening. When will you stand?
 
There must be a bunch of hearing impaired individuals that live in "la-la-land" on this board if they still want to pretend that this was solely a financial crisis. This appears to be nothing more than good old fashioned retribution against a small labor union.
 
You want to know why?....Wait for the court documents and depositions...nothing like a nice controlled and sterile legal environment to find truth and oppress political smoke.
 
Who will stand? The Chief? His subordinates? The Volunteers?
 
BMA 
 
 
 
 
 

 
Absent from most of this banter has been the giant elephant that is the Port Chester volunteers.
 
Now I am not suggesting that the rank and file were part of the negotiations prior to the dismissal of the entire career force, but this thread looks to be painted with financial blame with little said about the animus toward the Union.
 
So where is the widespread support from the PCFD volunteers? Yes, there are a handful out there support the laid off members, but with claims of upwards of 300 volunteers to support the village...one would think that more than a handful would show visible support?
 
Why have more volunteers not taken a stand with their "brother" career firefighters?
 
Have we not heard time and time again "that we are all brothers?", "the fire doesn't care if you are paid or volunteer", "I am a professional too" and other countless canned lines of absolute BS for years on this board and others out there.
 
Where is the cry of the volunteers? Where is the Chief pounding the desk?
 
In places like Lawrence (MA) and Providence (RI) were departments were dissimated due to the agenda of a Mayor, Fire Chiefs have resigned in protest (no worries, some boob is always found to sit-in), but the leader took a stand in protest.
 
I'll throw the gauntlet to the PCFD Chief and other "leaders" at his side....you sure have been quiet about this issue. Your silence is deafening. When will you stand?
 
There must be a bunch of hearing impaired individuals that live in "la-la-land" on this board if they still want to pretend that this was solely a financial crisis. This appears to be nothing more than good old fashioned retribution against a small labor union.
 
You want to know why?....Wait for the court documents and depositions...nothing like a nice controlled and sterile legal environment to find truth and oppress political smoke.
 
Who will stand? The Chief? His subordinates? The Volunteers?
 
BMA 
 
 
 
 
 

 
Absent from most of this banter has been the giant elephant that is the Port Chester volunteers.
 
Now I am not suggesting that the rank and file were part of the negotiations prior to the dismissal of the entire career force, but this thread looks to be painted with financial blame with little said about the animus toward the Union.
 
So where is the widespread support from the PCFD volunteers? Yes, there are a handful out there support the laid off members, but with claims of upwards of 300 volunteers to support the village...one would think that more than a handful would show visible support?
 
Why have more volunteers not taken a stand with their "brother" career firefighters?
 
Have we not heard time and time again "that we are all brothers?", "the fire doesn't care if you are paid or volunteer", "I am a professional too" and other countless canned lines of absolute BS for years on this board and others out there.
 
Where is the cry of the volunteers? Where is the Chief pounding the desk?
 
In places like Lawrence (MA) and Providence (RI) were departments were dissimated due to the agenda of a Mayor, Fire Chiefs have resigned in protest (no worries, some boob is always found to sit-in), but the leader took a stand in protest.
 
I'll throw the gauntlet to the PCFD Chief and other "leaders" at his side....you sure have been quiet about this issue. Your silence is deafening. When will you stand?
 
There must be a bunch of hearing impaired individuals that live in "la-la-land" on this board if they still want to pretend that this was solely a financial crisis. This appears to be nothing more than good old fashioned retribution against a small labor union.
 
You want to know why?....Wait for the court documents and depositions...nothing like a nice controlled and sterile legal environment to find truth and oppress political smoke.
 
Who will stand? The Chief? His subordinates? The Volunteers?
 
BMA 
 
 
 
 
 

 
Absent from most of this banter has been the giant elephant that is the Port Chester volunteers.
 
Now I am not suggesting that the rank and file were part of the negotiations prior to the dismissal of the entire career force, but this thread looks to be painted with financial blame with little said about the animus toward the Union.
 
So where is the widespread support from the PCFD volunteers? Yes, there are a handful out there support the laid off members, but with claims of upwards of 300 volunteers to support the village...one would think that more than a handful would show visible support?
 
Why have more volunteers not taken a stand with their "brother" career firefighters?
 
Have we not heard time and time again "that we are all brothers?", "the fire doesn't care if you are paid or volunteer", "I am a professional too" and other countless canned lines of absolute BS for years on this board and others out there.
 
Where is the cry of the volunteers? Where is the Chief pounding the desk?
 
In places like Lawrence (MA) and Providence (RI) were departments were dissimated due to the agenda of a Mayor, Fire Chiefs have resigned in protest (no worries, some boob is always found to sit-in), but the leader took a stand in protest.
 
I'll throw the gauntlet to the PCFD Chief and other "leaders" at his side....you sure have been quiet about this issue. Your silence is deafening. When will you stand?
 
There must be a bunch of hearing impaired individuals that live in "la-la-land" on this board if they still want to pretend that this was solely a financial crisis. This appears to be nothing more than good old fashioned retribution against a small labor union.
 
You want to know why?....Wait for the court documents and depositions...nothing like a nice controlled and sterile legal environment to find truth and oppress political smoke.
 
Who will stand? The Chief? His subordinates? The Volunteers?
 
BMA 
 
 
 
 
 

How do the Chiefs stand , they did it was all there idea . Now Rye Brook has started there legal action  and like you said it will now all come out . This may be just as good as The Stamford  topic ! 

 
Absent from most of this banter has been the giant elephant that is the Port Chester volunteers.
 
Now I am not suggesting that the rank and file were part of the negotiations prior to the dismissal of the entire career force, but this thread looks to be painted with financial blame with little said about the animus toward the Union.
 
So where is the widespread support from the PCFD volunteers? Yes, there are a handful out there support the laid off members, but with claims of upwards of 300 volunteers to support the village...one would think that more than a handful would show visible support?
 
Why have more volunteers not taken a stand with their "brother" career firefighters?
 
Have we not heard time and time again "that we are all brothers?", "the fire doesn't care if you are paid or volunteer", "I am a professional too" and other countless canned lines of absolute BS for years on this board and others out there.
 
Where is the cry of the volunteers? Where is the Chief pounding the desk?
 
In places like Lawrence (MA) and Providence (RI) were departments were dissimated due to the agenda of a Mayor, Fire Chiefs have resigned in protest (no worries, some boob is always found to sit-in), but the leader took a stand in protest.
 
I'll throw the gauntlet to the PCFD Chief and other "leaders" at his side....you sure have been quiet about this issue. Your silence is deafening. When will you stand?
 
There must be a bunch of hearing impaired individuals that live in "la-la-land" on this board if they still want to pretend that this was solely a financial crisis. This appears to be nothing more than good old fashioned retribution against a small labor union.
 
You want to know why?....Wait for the court documents and depositions...nothing like a nice controlled and sterile legal environment to find truth and oppress political smoke.
 
Who will stand? The Chief? His subordinates? The Volunteers?
 
BMA 
 
 
 
 
 

 
Absent from most of this banter has been the giant elephant that is the Port Chester volunteers.
 
Now I am not suggesting that the rank and file were part of the negotiations prior to the dismissal of the entire career force, but this thread looks to be painted with financial blame with little said about the animus toward the Union.
 
So where is the widespread support from the PCFD volunteers? Yes, there are a handful out there support the laid off members, but with claims of upwards of 300 volunteers to support the village...one would think that more than a handful would show visible support?
 
Why have more volunteers not taken a stand with their "brother" career firefighters?
 
Have we not heard time and time again "that we are all brothers?", "the fire doesn't care if you are paid or volunteer", "I am a professional too" and other countless canned lines of absolute BS for years on this board and others out there.
 
Where is the cry of the volunteers? Where is the Chief pounding the desk?
 
In places like Lawrence (MA) and Providence (RI) were departments were dissimated due to the agenda of a Mayor, Fire Chiefs have resigned in protest (no worries, some boob is always found to sit-in), but the leader took a stand in protest.
 
I'll throw the gauntlet to the PCFD Chief and other "leaders" at his side....you sure have been quiet about this issue. Your silence is deafening. When will you stand?
 
There must be a bunch of hearing impaired individuals that live in "la-la-land" on this board if they still want to pretend that this was solely a financial crisis. This appears to be nothing more than good old fashioned retribution against a small labor union.
 
You want to know why?....Wait for the court documents and depositions...nothing like a nice controlled and sterile legal environment to find truth and oppress political smoke.
 
Who will stand? The Chief? His subordinates? The Volunteers?
 
BMA 
 
 
 
 
 

Now we're gonna see if the Port Chester Volunteers are truely Brothers. They should all resign immediatly. All of the westchester fire depts should remove themselves from Port Chester mutual aide response until the Board reverses the descision. 

 
I hope so. I surely hope it isn't a repeat of what Daimler-Chrysler was trying to do buying a bunch of diverse brands, like Freightliner, Thomas School Buses, Medic Master Ambulance, Orion Buses, Sterling (Ford) Trucks, American LaFrance fire apparatus, Detroit Diesel, in an attempt to build their portfolio but instead running most of them all into the ground (now Freightliner and Western Star are making a comeback). This company seems more stable and focused though. I see E-One starting to make a comeback and quality reportedly is improving, as shown with recent large orders from Boston and Chicago, amongst others, who specifically went with E-One for E-One's quality (or what they claimed) and features offered, with other cities following suit. They've also been building heavy-duty ESU trucks for NYC for several years now.

But with you said, it could have gone imploded otherwise, and maybe the current KME ownership saw that and knew it was time to get out, and this was their golden parachute.

Hey, if thats what excites you, own it.
I am sure that there are others within fire organizations that pay more attention to that type of fact over issues such as overall weight, braking, power, departure angles, wheel base, safety systems, etc.

Thankfully for the residents of Greene County...the Roto-Ray has finally arrived.....Hopefully the rest of the truck serves them well too.....

Hey, if thats what excites you, own it.
I am sure that there are others within fire organizations that pay more attention to that type of fact over issues such as overall weight, braking, power, departure angles, wheel base, safety systems, etc.

Hey, if thats what excites you, own it.
I am sure that there are others within fire organizations that pay more attention to that type of fact over issues such as overall weight, braking, power, departure angles, wheel base, safety systems, etc.

The City is in mourning over your decision. The amount of shear talent that they are missing must be staggering.
Unless you were one of the 96 people, who passed the first test, the only thing that stands before you is an opportunity to do better on this test.
Incessant whining on the internet must be a better investment of your time than sitting down for 3-4 hours of test time to earn a 30-40 year career that pays a six figure salary requiring nothing more than a high school diploma.
Good riddance, keep riding the keyboard. Let those that have a bit more stamina and fortitude ride the tailboard.
Out.

The City is in mourning over your decision. The amount of shear talent that they are missing must be staggering.
Unless you were one of the 96 people, who passed the first test, the only thing that stands before you is an opportunity to do better on this test.
Incessant whining on the internet must be a better investment of your time than sitting down for 3-4 hours of test time to earn a 30-40 year career that pays a six figure salary requiring nothing more than a high school diploma.
Good riddance, keep riding the keyboard. Let those that have a bit more stamina and fortitude ride the tailboard.
Out.

I've made this same point several times discussing this in my area. The public is often conditioned to think that when there's a fire in their community, the house will be a loss and anything short of burning the entire block is a "good job" and will praise their FD for their efforts. The public also doesn't always recognize the football fornicating monkey show when they see it.
To some extent, this holds true for some of the departments involved. The amount of back slapping I see on social media these days on the heals of a fire in many of these communities is crazy. Everyone always did "a good job" and everyone going home safe is often used as the yard stick to measure the effort. They may have given 100% and done the best that they could, but that doesn't always mean that they actually did "a good job", did it in a reasonably safe fashion or that their efforts made the situation better.

You sir, have nailed it. Everyone going home is not the only metric for success on the fireground. Unfortunately we've conditioned too many Chiefs/Officers to believe this is the case.

Here is a pretty important piece of information needed for a pre plan in the winter. Piles of snow on the side of the road which most likely made this a one lane road would tell me as an IC that I don't need 31 pieces of equipment on scene. ( that's what the assignment shows in the first post ) If you had a down FF how far away was EMS? Were they blocked in or out by all the equipment? Once again it always ends up that people don't want to learn from others and they really do get their panties all in a bunch. I'm sure this was a downright snotty job and fire was everywhere and all companies made that push in as we all talk about after the fire. I know in the 20 years i'm doing this all my fires were described as down right nasty, snotty old school jobs!! Get Real, the house was lost before you arrived. We have all pulled up to a losing battle!!!!

Or training with pre plans. You can train on tanker shuttles, and I'm sure they do, but if your going to try and correct someone please don't make a fool of yourself. How about all you guys who state that manpower was needed come up with a plan on how to get the manpower there without wasting equipment needed at home. We can't outfit a small bus with 8 SCBA's to transport members of a mutual aid dept to the scene? I guess it's not as fun to respond in on a job on a bus as it is an engine!

Actually, I asked whether the size up that was reported on this site was correct for the amount of apparatus that was listed in the run down.
13 Fire Departments for a single story ranch house...sorry for the question, nothing possibly obtuse about this equation.

Do you have any pictures of the house following the fire?
Often, most of these fire buildings are obviously terminal within 20 minutes of arrival, yet the fire service calls up their "tanker task forces" and rolls 28 tankers.
If the end result of this muster is 1 standing wall and charred remains in the foundation pool, you ever ask yourself if the same result could have been made with 1 engine and 500 gallon booster tank?
Obviously I am not advocating that extreme, but perhaps we should recognize when what we are doing is more about the realistic eventuality of the effects of fire, timing, and building construction and not some fantasy water shuttle.
I'll be the first to support a "true" property save after such an action. Unfortunately, most of these tanker rodeos almost always end up with the same net result.

Can't possibly be all of those Departments and apparatus for a 30x60 2 story residence?

Can't possibly be all of those Departments and apparatus for a 30x60 2 story residence?