FD7807

About getting paid...? I can't tell you how many times people (general public civilian type) didn't know our local department was volunteer.
Bullshit and creative writing maybe. But unless I missed something, I didn't see anything about the building being unoccupied. Just that the 2 named residents escaped.
Of course, if they had been been a paid "Professional" department, their x-ray vision powers would have confirmed this.

I went to the Scpecial Ops symposium in 2010. Gave me a greater appreciation for the hazzards involved in collapse, trench 7 confined space. One presenter let us email him for a dvd of his collapse presentation to show to our guys on drill night. They covered Marine and USAR ops. Not stuff I personally do every day or even every year but it raises awareness, funds a good charity, and as someone already pointed out was standing room only.

Date: 10/17/12
Time: 1805
Location: 177 White Plains Road Bldg 15
Frequency: 156.225 & WC Fire 14
Units Operating:TFD 2461, 2462, 2463 L-37 TL-78 E 76,77,79 U-61 Con Ed Gas Emergency WC Fire Coordinator 14 Standby (IFD L-36 SHFD E-86)
Weather Conditions: 50's & clear
Description Of Incident: 1805 TFD & Con Ed Gas dispatched to a ruptured gas line in a crawl space
1808 TFD Units on Scene
1825 Con Ed Gas has gas service to building shut off 2462 & interior crews checking indicidual units for gas readings. 7 total units in Bldg 15
1825 mutual aid units on standby
1835 Co Ed beleives to have problem isolated
1840 Interior crews report negative readings
1845 TFD Units & Mutual aid units pick up & return Command shifted to Con Ed Gas Emergency
Reporters: FD7807

Date: 10/17/12
Time: 1805
Location: 177 White Plains Road Bldg 15
Frequency: 156.225 & WC Fire 14
Units Operating:TFD 2461, 2462, 2463 L-37 TL-78 E 76,77,79 U-61 Con Ed Gas Emergency WC Fire Coordinator 14 Standby (IFD L-36 SHFD E-86)
Weather Conditions: 50's & clear
Description Of Incident: 1805 TFD & Con Ed Gas dispatched to a ruptured gas line in a crawl space
1808 TFD Units on Scene
1825 Con Ed Gas has gas service to building shut off 2462 & interior crews checking indicidual units for gas readings. 7 total units in Bldg 15
1825 mutual aid units on standby
1835 Co Ed beleives to have problem isolated
1840 Interior crews report negative readings
1845 TFD Units & Mutual aid units pick up & return Command shifted to Con Ed Gas Emergency
Reporters: FD7807

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Small Boat & Marina Fires

Presented by:



Lt. Tom Guldner, FDNY (Ret.)

Saturday, November 3, 2012

Location:
Edith Macy Conference Center
550 Chappaqua Road
Briarcliff Manor, NY

For overnight accommodations, please call the Edith Macy Conference Center @ (914) 945-8061

Pre-Registration, online: $35 (www.ronjmemorialfund.org) At the door: $40

Registration, check-in, and breakfast: 8:30AM
Program: 10:00AM - 1:00PM

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Pride gets people hurt. Not calling mutual aid for pride reasons is stupid. Having FF"s in staging might not only be for relief purposes but it can also be there if things get out of hand. A good IC anticipates that things MAY get out of hand. Do not fault someone for thinking ahead or thinking with the worst case scenario in mind.

Pride gets people hurt. Not calling mutual aid for pride reasons is stupid. Having FF"s in staging might not only be for relief purposes but it can also be there if things get out of hand. A good IC anticipates that things MAY get out of hand. Do not fault someone for thinking ahead or thinking with the worst case scenario in mind.

A few more thoughts--- a good well rounded fire department certified fire training program for a department will establish well rounded, educated firefighters. They in turn will make well educated productive fire officers and that produces the fire chief with certifications and education.
Training--certification--fire education make a good fire officer or chief not "its our turn" or popularity.
There I go thinking again

Certified training and qualificiations are two of the most important things a fire department can require. Although I am not a fan of the two week firefighter one course, it does provide a vehicle to let students get the training completed in a shorter period of time.
As a Fire Instructor I do include survival in any firefighter one class that I am the lead. FAST is a course that helps firefighters help firefighters and should be taken by well seasoned fire personnel not by firefighters with less the a few years under their belts get some time on the nozzle or on the ladderfirst.It will help you undrstand the importance of FAST.
The AHJ has the right to set the standards and they should, they should also supplpy the vehicle to meet these standards. How many departments pay milage to the firefighters that attend training either at WCDES or NYS Fire Academy? or a meal allowence.
Department should have a real training budget and Chiefs that know how to administer. Todays Fire chief is way more then getting the wet stuff on the red stuff. It administration/human resourses/training/osha/hazmat/public relations /budget process/recruitment-- just to name a few.
Todays modern Fire Department is a miramid of things and they shuood be reflected in the training and qualifications of the firefighters and officers.
just my thoughs

also what i am about to say will be unpopular with many but i really do not care. this pertains to volunteer departments of which i belong to one.Since nYS and WC have many many FD's and EMS agencies to please it is the onus of these towns and villages to bridge the gap on training needed and not wait for 60 control to pick up the pieces. The AHJ (Authority having jrusidiction) IE the town or village has every right to book accredited standardized training (of which there area zillion companies out there who will come and do it) and as long as the training hours and curriculum covered is logged and stored then their members are trained. This training has to be considered more important then the $3000 LED light bars and otherfrivilous items that are bought with taxpayer money. I am painting the taget on my back as we speak so feel free to fire back those who do not agree but ask yourselves this: how can you disagree with training whether it be in house or at valhalla ?

also what i am about to say will be unpopular with many but i really do not care. this pertains to volunteer departments of which i belong to one.Since nYS and WC have many many FD's and EMS agencies to please it is the onus of these towns and villages to bridge the gap on training needed and not wait for 60 control to pick up the pieces. The AHJ (Authority having jrusidiction) IE the town or village has every right to book accredited standardized training (of which there area zillion companies out there who will come and do it) and as long as the training hours and curriculum covered is logged and stored then their members are trained. This training has to be considered more important then the $3000 LED light bars and otherfrivilous items that are bought with taxpayer money. I am painting the taget on my back as we speak so feel free to fire back those who do not agree but ask yourselves this: how can you disagree with training whether it be in house or at valhalla ?

also what i am about to say will be unpopular with many but i really do not care. this pertains to volunteer departments of which i belong to one.Since nYS and WC have many many FD's and EMS agencies to please it is the onus of these towns and villages to bridge the gap on training needed and not wait for 60 control to pick up the pieces. The AHJ (Authority having jrusidiction) IE the town or village has every right to book accredited standardized training (of which there area zillion companies out there who will come and do it) and as long as the training hours and curriculum covered is logged and stored then their members are trained. This training has to be considered more important then the $3000 LED light bars and otherfrivilous items that are bought with taxpayer money. I am painting the taget on my back as we speak so feel free to fire back those who do not agree but ask yourselves this: how can you disagree with training whether it be in house or at valhalla ?

also what i am about to say will be unpopular with many but i really do not care. this pertains to volunteer departments of which i belong to one.Since nYS and WC have many many FD's and EMS agencies to please it is the onus of these towns and villages to bridge the gap on training needed and not wait for 60 control to pick up the pieces. The AHJ (Authority having jrusidiction) IE the town or village has every right to book accredited standardized training (of which there area zillion companies out there who will come and do it) and as long as the training hours and curriculum covered is logged and stored then their members are trained. This training has to be considered more important then the $3000 LED light bars and otherfrivilous items that are bought with taxpayer money. I am painting the taget on my back as we speak so feel free to fire back those who do not agree but ask yourselves this: how can you disagree with training whether it be in house or at valhalla ?

also what i am about to say will be unpopular with many but i really do not care. this pertains to volunteer departments of which i belong to one.Since nYS and WC have many many FD's and EMS agencies to please it is the onus of these towns and villages to bridge the gap on training needed and not wait for 60 control to pick up the pieces. The AHJ (Authority having jrusidiction) IE the town or village has every right to book accredited standardized training (of which there area zillion companies out there who will come and do it) and as long as the training hours and curriculum covered is logged and stored then their members are trained. This training has to be considered more important then the $3000 LED light bars and otherfrivilous items that are bought with taxpayer money. I am painting the taget on my back as we speak so feel free to fire back those who do not agree but ask yourselves this: how can you disagree with training whether it be in house or at valhalla ?

I have a few gripes with the way the system currently is, and I don't see it changing in the near future. Feel free to comment/agree/disagree with me.
Gripe #1: I would have no problem making the training the same for both. HOWEVER, since building inspections are not part of our requirements, those 63 hours could be scratched from the program. Also, since we have jobs and other responsibilities, allow us to complete the training over a period of time, say two years. Get the basics out of the way up front, then require the remainder to be completed within a certain time frame. That would better entice folks.
Gripe #2: I don't see Survival and/or FAST as required for either. This is a must.
Gripe #3: Some of these courses could be consolidated, since many classes harp on lessons learned in pre-requisite training. For example, EVOC and Pump Ops could be made into one course for less time, as could Firefighter I and II.
Gripe #4: I'm only lacking the building codes stuff and Wildland Firefighting training. BUT WHEN IS THIS EVER OFFERED TO ANY OF US? I'll never get into these programs locally, which isn't going to attract most of my fellow volunteer brothers.
Gripe #5: Include the CPAT into Firefighter I, this would weed out the guys who may pass, get their FF I cert and go back to their FD barely able to function on the fireground!
For those of you unaware of the state's certification process, in order for a volunteer firefighter to receive the NYS "Firefighter Certification", they must complete the following (first step is Recruit Firefighter II, followed by Recruit Firefighter I, than Firefighter). This "Firefighter Certification" is what the career men accomplish in their 450 hour academy.
Again... some of these courses are rare or never seen here in Westchester (or nearby) except when incorporated into the career academies.
Want piety for all of us? Convince the county to offer the same training to both sides of the fence. It's not like many of us aren't in favor of it!
Recruit II Certification
Firefighter I (87 Hours) OR
Basic Firefighter Training (42 Hours) & Intermediate Firefighter Training (18 Hours) OR
Firefighting Essentials (39 Hours), Fire Behavior / Arson Awareness (12 Hours) and Initial Fire Attack (18 Hours)
Plus Right To Know and Local Rules, Regulations and Laws (No given amount of time)
Recruit I Certification (Must be Recruit II certified)
Firefighter II (27 Hours) OR
Truck Company Operations or Ladder Company Operations (24 Hours)
Apparatus Operator - Pump or Pump Operator (24 Hours)*
Accident Victim Extrication Training (16 Hours)
Hazardous Materials First Responder Operations (16 Hours)**
Firefighter Certification (Must be Recruit I certified)
Inspection Practices of Existing Structures (21 Hours)***
Rescue Technician Basic or Rescue Operations (24 Hours)
Incident Command System (12 Hours)
Basic Wildland Firefighting (12 Hours)
First Aid & CPR
CPAT Exam
* - Prerequisite training is Apparatus Operator - EVOC (18 Hours)
** - Now included in Firefighter I program
*** - Two prerequisites Intro to Code Enforcement Practices (42 hours)

Attached is the New York State Law for the minimum training requirements for firefighters in New York State. Minimum Standards for Firefighting Personnel
NYCRR Part 426 (Rev. 9/08) and Minimum Standards for
Firefighting Personnel Administrative Procedures
NYCRR Part 427 (Rev. 9/08).
Part426LawBook.pdfPart427LawBook.pdf

Maybe Mike Blau the village adm. is causing problems with his undermining and lies.All the former fire depts were he use to be adm. also had problems.

PLEASE NOTE THE UPDATE TO THIS___NOW A FUNDRAISER FOR OUR FALLEN FIREFIGHTERS
2010 Hank Napoli Jr. & John Garrison Memorial Training Seminar:
Responding to Routine Emergencies
Guest Speaker: Battalion Chief Frank Montagna FDNY
Author of Responding to ‘Routine’ Emergencies & Contributing Editor for Fire Engineering Magazine
When: October 23rd 9 AM – 1 PM
Location: Washington Engine Quarters TL78
157 White Plains Rd
Tarrytown NY
Fee: $25 per Person Spots are limited to the first 150 reservations. Email mcoffey@tarrytownfd.org to reserve your spot.
Light Refreshments to be Served
Proceeds Benefit Daughters of Fallen Firefighters John Kelly and Anthony Ruggiero& New Beginnings Nursery School

The Intro to Fire Officer and Fire Officer I courses provided by the OFPC aren't bad. What would be nice is a local (county-level) Line Officer and Chief Officer training program. Give these new officers some direction by guys that have been there and done that. Have guys like Captain Benz put together a program to prepare entry-level company officers, and offer another program for chief officers. There are so many things that Chiefs need to know that frankly go unnoticed. I don't know if anyone remembers this, but a while back (maybe two years ago) I posted a topic asking what legal options and standards are out there so Chiefs knew. I got minimal reply, and my guess is that it was due to the lack of knowing this information.
Career Officers have the option to go to the FDNY FLIP School, I wish something like this (even if scaled down a bit) was available to us volunteers. We will command similar incidents and have to answer to the same lawyers if we make mistakes.

ok im down for this one.
a great firefighter someone who has the understanding that helping ones community and showing department pride doesnt get in the way at a call or around the fire house. one who has knowledge and wants to keep expanding his/her knowledge while talking with both "old timers" and new members of the fire service. one who keeps trying to understand the "beast" we fight, and tries to find an understanding of what makes it tick. one who is not affraid nore brave enough to say they werent scared.
thanks all i can think of for now.

A member who thinks of others before themself makes a good firefighter. I always found that the whole thing starts falling apart when people worry too much about themselves and forget about the team, company, firehouse. If a guy shirks his duties when it comes to house work are we really going to trust him to get the roof.

I will take a shot at this, I dont like the term great firefighter, I will hit it as what is a good firefighter, someone who comes prepared to do whatever needs to be done without being told when to do it. A good firefighter doesnt shirk his duties, firehouse, fire scene, or fire dept function. He is quick to share his knowledge, and what he doesnt know he asks or finds out. He is the guy you can always count on to remain calm, yet be able to break tension in a moment. Like was said he has a real feel for the job, and doesnt act like the fire service owes him anything.
We have a ton of "good guys", but as I told a graduating class of probies, if after you end your career you are remembered as a "good firefighter" you did the right thing while you served.

Eng 80 carries a set of Holmatro tools.
Eng 79 carries air bags.
Eng 77 carries a set of Hurst tools.
Utility 61 carries Paratech support struts.
A typical extrication call would bring a response of Eng 79, Eng 77, and UT 61.

It's a pipe dream. We're outnumbered by idiots!!!