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Sorry, but I can't get enough of this clip:

As much as I like friendly's for some things...THEIR SERVICE KILLED THEM! THE SLOWEST SERVERS IN THE INDUSTRY...JUST LIKE HOWARD JOHNSONS USED TO BE......

We've drilled with it a lot and while it's a tool that could help I think in most cases it's help will be marginal. In a wide open large area like a warehouse it will be of great use. In compartmented residential and commercial structures it does not seem to be of much help.

My only question is did they let it go on too long? If this video was used for training would instructors recommend taking more swift action? I would say the longer it goes on the greater the chance of all kinds of bad things happening.
Unfortunately current events have police being vilified for the SI incident. It's probably encouraging people to resist.
I'd just hate to see LEO getting hurt because the court of public opinion can't stomach what proper use of force looks like.

My only question is did they let it go on too long? If this video was used for training would instructors recommend taking more swift action? I would say the longer it goes on the greater the chance of all kinds of bad things happening.
Unfortunately current events have police being vilified for the SI incident. It's probably encouraging people to resist.
I'd just hate to see LEO getting hurt because the court of public opinion can't stomach what proper use of force looks like.

My only question is did they let it go on too long? If this video was used for training would instructors recommend taking more swift action? I would say the longer it goes on the greater the chance of all kinds of bad things happening.
Unfortunately current events have police being vilified for the SI incident. It's probably encouraging people to resist.
I'd just hate to see LEO getting hurt because the court of public opinion can't stomach what proper use of force looks like.

Even if it was a kick to the head, I think the Troopers were justified.
No law ever said the cops had to be nice, just civil.
If you instigate a problem you really have no complaint when it does not have a happy ending for you.
Once a person makes the decision to go hands on with the Police, he chose his hand.
What happens after that is up to, and the responsibility of, the perp. I am not saying there are no limits to what the Police can be justified in doing, there are.
But, I see no problem with "one-upping" a perp. If you use your hands, so can the cops, (this includes using feet) and the cops can "one-up" by using a stick, taser or spray. If it is one perp, there can be 2, or 3 or more cops. If you use a weapon, the cops can use a gun.
No one ever said the cops had to fight fair.
The perps are not going to!
No one ever said Policing was pretty. It is not. But people seem to have a problem when they see it.
I have done this for a bit over 27 years.
I say put on a shield and go out there and show me how it is done.
I say kudos to the Troopers.

Each has only 1 FF or 1 captain. On a good day One will have a FF the other will have a FF & a Captain.

In the city of New York Con Ed is now sending us to more reported leaks they receive since the Harlem Explosion. Based on the city hall hearings after Harlem they had between 30 and 50 thousand reported gas leaks that they did not pass on to us last year that I believe they are now giving us every one. While our responses are way up I think the number of actual leaks is probably steady. Many of the calls that are part of the spike are turning out to be odors other than natural gas. It would not be surprising to me if an analysis of gas leaks responses revels they are on the rise. While the utilities do attempt to replace the infrastructure there remains a lot of old pipes in the ground and winters here are tough.

In the city of New York Con Ed is now sending us to more reported leaks they receive since the Harlem Explosion. Based on the city hall hearings after Harlem they had between 30 and 50 thousand reported gas leaks that they did not pass on to us last year that I believe they are now giving us every one. While our responses are way up I think the number of actual leaks is probably steady. Many of the calls that are part of the spike are turning out to be odors other than natural gas. It would not be surprising to me if an analysis of gas leaks responses revels they are on the rise. While the utilities do attempt to replace the infrastructure there remains a lot of old pipes in the ground and winters here are tough.

I'm pretty sure we are on the same page. 75% of those who die in fires don't have working smoke detectors so although that's not that glamorous it should be a push. When we see fire departments frazzled with a simple working fire we know they are not going to be able to handle a fire with people trapped. I'm sure if you have experienced both you know the difference. If you are calm cool and collected on the fireground on a normal basis which is helped by training you will have the best shot at addressing life hazards. If a normal working fire is a cluster you probably won't be able to up your game when the real pressure is on.

This is a huge issue for our regional comm center. The final product gets very low scores from the users (FD/PD/EMS) and almost every complaint is tied to individuals not following one set of guidelines from what is sent to how it sent and the terminology used. In the end it shows as varying levels of quality day to day, shift to shift, dispatcher to dispatcher, indicative of failed leadership and/or organization.

It's somewhat of a pet peeve of mine and I don't have any definitive answer to that.
Personally, once the patient is in the ambulance, unless there's a critical issue that immediately needs to be addressed - like an airway problem, I want to get moving. We're 20-30 minutes from a trauma center by ground, so I want to get moving and I'll do what I need to on the way. If we're going to fly, then I want to get moving to the LZ. If makes no sense to me in the vast majority of cases to sit on scene doing stuff and potentially have the helicopter land before you get there vs going to the LZ and then doing whatever you can get done before they arrive. Unless there are extenuating circumstances, every minute that the helicopter is on the ground and not yet with the patient is wasted time.
I've ruffled a few co-worker feathers over the years telling people to get out of the ambulance so we could leave the scene.

I'm pretty sure we are on the same page. 75% of those who die in fires don't have working smoke detectors so although that's not that glamorous it should be a push. When we see fire departments frazzled with a simple working fire we know they are not going to be able to handle a fire with people trapped. I'm sure if you have experienced both you know the difference. If you are calm cool and collected on the fireground on a normal basis which is helped by training you will have the best shot at addressing life hazards. If a normal working fire is a cluster you probably won't be able to up your game when the real pressure is on.

I'll bite. I really don't correlate those who propose safe fireground practices with writing off civilians. Most fire service leaders who advocate these changes are doing their jobs and looking to protect their members. The thought that our attempt to be safe on the fireground is killing or going to kill more civilians in fires is backed up by what? They are dying because they don't have working smoke detectors. The fact is the vast majority of fireground traumatic fatalities occur when there was no legitimate civilian life hazard. Are there savable civilians who die in fires? Probably but I doubt the cause is a safety mindset in the fire service. If we could get some departments on scene faster and train all our members to be on their A game when they get off the rig we'd be better serving the civilians that count on us. When the homeowner meets you on the lawn and says everyone is out should get treated differently then when you pull up and 3AM and no one meets you. Those the preach things like aggressive search regardless of intelligence gathered during size-up are pandering to the group that wants to hear that. I get it we all want be aggressive and fight fires but being a professional is not about doing want we want to do but doing what we should be do.

I'm pretty sure we are on the same page. 75% of those who die in fires don't have working smoke detectors so although that's not that glamorous it should be a push. When we see fire departments frazzled with a simple working fire we know they are not going to be able to handle a fire with people trapped. I'm sure if you have experienced both you know the difference. If you are calm cool and collected on the fireground on a normal basis which is helped by training you will have the best shot at addressing life hazards. If a normal working fire is a cluster you probably won't be able to up your game when the real pressure is on.

My experience is even when the helicopter is waiting for the patient they spend quite a while in the back of the bus and then moving the patient to the helicopter. I'm sure the flight paramedics and/or nurses feel the things they do are necessary but if they require 20 minutes then that has to factor into the equation.
My point is many people have cited extended extrication time as a reason to call but if the helicopter crew is going to spend almost a half hour prior to departing to get the patient to the point that they are comfortable with them in the back of the helicopter then the distance from the hospital that they become of benefit is further.
SteveC's example of the Adirondacks is exactly where they seem to be of the best use.

I'll bite. I really don't correlate those who propose safe fireground practices with writing off civilians. Most fire service leaders who advocate these changes are doing their jobs and looking to protect their members. The thought that our attempt to be safe on the fireground is killing or going to kill more civilians in fires is backed up by what? They are dying because they don't have working smoke detectors. The fact is the vast majority of fireground traumatic fatalities occur when there was no legitimate civilian life hazard. Are there savable civilians who die in fires? Probably but I doubt the cause is a safety mindset in the fire service. If we could get some departments on scene faster and train all our members to be on their A game when they get off the rig we'd be better serving the civilians that count on us. When the homeowner meets you on the lawn and says everyone is out should get treated differently then when you pull up and 3AM and no one meets you. Those the preach things like aggressive search regardless of intelligence gathered during size-up are pandering to the group that wants to hear that. I get it we all want be aggressive and fight fires but being a professional is not about doing want we want to do but doing what we should be do.

My experience is even when the helicopter is waiting for the patient they spend quite a while in the back of the bus and then moving the patient to the helicopter. I'm sure the flight paramedics and/or nurses feel the things they do are necessary but if they require 20 minutes then that has to factor into the equation.
My point is many people have cited extended extrication time as a reason to call but if the helicopter crew is going to spend almost a half hour prior to departing to get the patient to the point that they are comfortable with them in the back of the helicopter then the distance from the hospital that they become of benefit is further.
SteveC's example of the Adirondacks is exactly where they seem to be of the best use.

My experience is even when the helicopter is waiting for the patient they spend quite a while in the back of the bus and then moving the patient to the helicopter. I'm sure the flight paramedics and/or nurses feel the things they do are necessary but if they require 20 minutes then that has to factor into the equation.
My point is many people have cited extended extrication time as a reason to call but if the helicopter crew is going to spend almost a half hour prior to departing to get the patient to the point that they are comfortable with them in the back of the helicopter then the distance from the hospital that they become of benefit is further.
SteveC's example of the Adirondacks is exactly where they seem to be of the best use.

I'll bite. I really don't correlate those who propose safe fireground practices with writing off civilians. Most fire service leaders who advocate these changes are doing their jobs and looking to protect their members. The thought that our attempt to be safe on the fireground is killing or going to kill more civilians in fires is backed up by what? They are dying because they don't have working smoke detectors. The fact is the vast majority of fireground traumatic fatalities occur when there was no legitimate civilian life hazard. Are there savable civilians who die in fires? Probably but I doubt the cause is a safety mindset in the fire service. If we could get some departments on scene faster and train all our members to be on their A game when they get off the rig we'd be better serving the civilians that count on us. When the homeowner meets you on the lawn and says everyone is out should get treated differently then when you pull up and 3AM and no one meets you. Those the preach things like aggressive search regardless of intelligence gathered during size-up are pandering to the group that wants to hear that. I get it we all want be aggressive and fight fires but being a professional is not about doing want we want to do but doing what we should be do.

I'll bite. I really don't correlate those who propose safe fireground practices with writing off civilians. Most fire service leaders who advocate these changes are doing their jobs and looking to protect their members. The thought that our attempt to be safe on the fireground is killing or going to kill more civilians in fires is backed up by what? They are dying because they don't have working smoke detectors. The fact is the vast majority of fireground traumatic fatalities occur when there was no legitimate civilian life hazard. Are there savable civilians who die in fires? Probably but I doubt the cause is a safety mindset in the fire service. If we could get some departments on scene faster and train all our members to be on their A game when they get off the rig we'd be better serving the civilians that count on us. When the homeowner meets you on the lawn and says everyone is out should get treated differently then when you pull up and 3AM and no one meets you. Those the preach things like aggressive search regardless of intelligence gathered during size-up are pandering to the group that wants to hear that. I get it we all want be aggressive and fight fires but being a professional is not about doing want we want to do but doing what we should be do.

I'll bite. I really don't correlate those who propose safe fireground practices with writing off civilians. Most fire service leaders who advocate these changes are doing their jobs and looking to protect their members. The thought that our attempt to be safe on the fireground is killing or going to kill more civilians in fires is backed up by what? They are dying because they don't have working smoke detectors. The fact is the vast majority of fireground traumatic fatalities occur when there was no legitimate civilian life hazard. Are there savable civilians who die in fires? Probably but I doubt the cause is a safety mindset in the fire service. If we could get some departments on scene faster and train all our members to be on their A game when they get off the rig we'd be better serving the civilians that count on us. When the homeowner meets you on the lawn and says everyone is out should get treated differently then when you pull up and 3AM and no one meets you. Those the preach things like aggressive search regardless of intelligence gathered during size-up are pandering to the group that wants to hear that. I get it we all want be aggressive and fight fires but being a professional is not about doing want we want to do but doing what we should be do.

I'll bite. I really don't correlate those who propose safe fireground practices with writing off civilians. Most fire service leaders who advocate these changes are doing their jobs and looking to protect their members. The thought that our attempt to be safe on the fireground is killing or going to kill more civilians in fires is backed up by what? They are dying because they don't have working smoke detectors. The fact is the vast majority of fireground traumatic fatalities occur when there was no legitimate civilian life hazard. Are there savable civilians who die in fires? Probably but I doubt the cause is a safety mindset in the fire service. If we could get some departments on scene faster and train all our members to be on their A game when they get off the rig we'd be better serving the civilians that count on us. When the homeowner meets you on the lawn and says everyone is out should get treated differently then when you pull up and 3AM and no one meets you. Those the preach things like aggressive search regardless of intelligence gathered during size-up are pandering to the group that wants to hear that. I get it we all want be aggressive and fight fires but being a professional is not about doing want we want to do but doing what we should be do.

I'll bite. I really don't correlate those who propose safe fireground practices with writing off civilians. Most fire service leaders who advocate these changes are doing their jobs and looking to protect their members. The thought that our attempt to be safe on the fireground is killing or going to kill more civilians in fires is backed up by what? They are dying because they don't have working smoke detectors. The fact is the vast majority of fireground traumatic fatalities occur when there was no legitimate civilian life hazard. Are there savable civilians who die in fires? Probably but I doubt the cause is a safety mindset in the fire service. If we could get some departments on scene faster and train all our members to be on their A game when they get off the rig we'd be better serving the civilians that count on us. When the homeowner meets you on the lawn and says everyone is out should get treated differently then when you pull up and 3AM and no one meets you. Those the preach things like aggressive search regardless of intelligence gathered during size-up are pandering to the group that wants to hear that. I get it we all want be aggressive and fight fires but being a professional is not about doing want we want to do but doing what we should be do.