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Interesting twist on the nightmare... Probably just terrorist rhetoric but it's disturbing that he's hearing about it so quickly in a cave in Pakistan and even more alarming that he's being given the media platform to say it! http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=102499

That's no lie. You can also add California, Texas, New York, and the Border Patrol to that list... Don't worry about it though - we're laying cops off to save money but the streets will be just as safe!

Please use this as the discussion thread about this tragedy. This is the link to the In Memorium thread... Pittsburgh, PA - 3 Police Officers Shot and Killed More news coverage of the story: http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/04/pittsb....officers.shot/ http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/articl...I6_7cAD97BMVP80 http://www.wtrf.com/story.cfm?func=viewsto...p;storyid=55973 http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/04/04/Pit...15941238857750/

They ought to put "!!YMMUD, REVO EVOM" on all emergency vehicles and make it the national standard!

According to common sense we all have responsibilities at a scene and have to collaborate or at the very least cooperate to get the job done. Clearly this was not the case in this situation. Not having any first-hand information and relying exclusively on the report of a "witness" in a "news"paper, I'm not going to wade into the whole argument of who's right or who's wrong. Suffice it to say that egos, attitudes, and/or a lack of communication played a role here and rather than get better, the situation got worse. BVFDCJ, unfortunately the situation is not as crystal clear as you'd like it to be. Yes, in a purely medical environment the highest trained EMS provider should be in charge - based on the article, that would be the paramedics who arrive and not the fire lieutenant so his role was not necessarily IC. Let's stir up the mud in the water now - if the person is under arrest, the police can not legally allow the person to leave their custody even for medical treatment. Usually, this is simply resolved by having PD transport to the hospital or by having PD accompany the prisoner in the ambulance. Again, this was not reported clearly so we don't even know if she was under arrest. Hey, Izzy, jumped to a conclusion here didn't you? We don't know what the exchange between the FD officer and PD officer was when out of earshot of the "witness" so who knows what really happened?

Agreed, great for Rockland. But the question remains - how is a million dollars going to be used to "promote volunteerism"? Advertising? Incentives? What? That's a lot of money and I'd really like to learn more about their plans. Perhaps it could be used as a model for other areas in the State.

Isn't this where building codes or other regulations could be used to protect us all? Can a municipality enact a local code prohibiting these types of construction if the glue melts and the thing collapses like a house of cards?

It's funny, the Yankees own website reported that he was retiring yesterday. Perhaps it was their own little April Fool because today it says he'll just miss the start of the season. I guess we'll have to wait and listen!

Looks like DHS is catching on that nobody's paying attention to NIMS and they're putting some real requirements out there now. "Federally administered" means we have to sit through their courses and we can't do our own. This ought to be fun.

excerpt from Police magazine, a Bobit Publication. http://www.policemag.com/Channels/SWAT/200...d-Massacre.aspx Rest in Peace, brothers!

That really is sad. He was a big part of that stadium!

I certainly hope everyone makes a full and speedy recovery but it highlights the fact that we ALL (whether paid or volunteer, fire, police or EMS) need to SLOW DOWN!!! SLOW DOWN! The lights and siren are not a force field! Who knows? The life you save may be your own!

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/03/24...ffs_of_890.html Looks like the worst is still yet to come!

If they make good on their "promise" to reduce the prison population by more than 10,000 inmates this year after the repeal of the Rockefeller drug laws and close various institutions or units within them, they may be able to reduce the numbers of CO's needed. Even if they have to pay some OT, it may be cheaper than the cost of full-time employees. At least that's the rhetoric I've always heard about using OT to keep costs down. It works until your numbers are so far down that you can't cover anything without OT. It's interesting that there are so many state employees - about 200,000. That means for every 85 people in the state there is a state employee. So how come it takes two hours to get one to pick up the phone and you have to stand in line for two hours at the DMV? It should be far more efficient than that! [/sarcasm] Does anyone know what other agencies (besides Corrections) will be facing the ax?

A few snapshots of the Garrison Fire today - about 24 hours into it. From my perspective it looked like they made a great stop and there were only a few hot spots remaining. The staging area is at the right edge of the photo. Equipment was staged a good distance away from the fireline. Gotta love ATV's and gators! There was a good sized area of scorched earth! More to follow!

stixx, Yonkers receives additional funds in part because of its population and because it is an MMRS city (one of only a handful in the State). New Rochelle has, over the years, received DHS funds for a variety of projects and will continue to (I imagine). There are 43 municipalities in Westchester County and this thread is not intended for 42 posts asserting that Town, Village, City X should have received a grant or deserves it more than any other jurisdiction. Westchester County received $2 million dollars and I'm sure some of that money will be headed for New Rochelle. No need to be angry!

If we hover over the firehouse and lower a line can we get our orders to go?

I won't take it personally - though I may drop a bucket or two on you anyway! They're not needed at a CO alarm. I wouldn't be the least bit upset if I didn't get sent to 'em!

Doesn't matter! Even with the flashing lights and ringing bells they drive right past them and hit the bridges anyway!

Where's everyone's sense of humor? Lighten up! It was a JOKE! The photo captured a time honored stereotype of public works emplyees and that was the whole point. This is another good example of why some agencies don't permit breaks to be taken on an incident site or in an operations area.

Why is the FD needed at a neck and back pain MVA?

High pressure or low pressure or both? Thanks to everyone who's contributed to this thread. It's informative and interesting and is a great example of how this forum can actually be a useful tool and not just another online chat.

There is just as much nepotism and favoritism (if not more) in the private sector! With no exams or civil service protections it is probably worse in the private sector. Rather than strictly basing promotions on a single lucky Saturday, I mean written exam, there should be a more comprehensive approach including the written exam, skills evaluation (if applicable), interviews, and prior job performance. It makes for more well rounded candidates than just the exam. This way the guy who gets an 80 on the written but has high scores in everything else will have just as much of a chance as the test taker who hasn't done anything for the past year because they've been studying for the exam! That really sucks! What can you do??

You guys have facilitated "deliveries" from White Castle! I'm sure you can swing the Hawthorne FD!

I agree, free food is great! So what are you talking about? I think you have to actually BE 5 or under to get the food for free! Not knocking Hawthorne's efforts at all! Just having a little fun!