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No one, NO ONE is suggesting that we forget thsoe that died in the Civil War. The flag has nothing to do with recent events, however it is a symbol of division and treason and it should NOT fly over a State House. It belongs in history books and museums.
Wanna fly it? Go ahead. But it doesn't belong on State land.

No one, NO ONE is suggesting that we forget thsoe that died in the Civil War. The flag has nothing to do with recent events, however it is a symbol of division and treason and it should NOT fly over a State House. It belongs in history books and museums.
Wanna fly it? Go ahead. But it doesn't belong on State land.

No one, NO ONE is suggesting that we forget thsoe that died in the Civil War. The flag has nothing to do with recent events, however it is a symbol of division and treason and it should NOT fly over a State House. It belongs in history books and museums.
Wanna fly it? Go ahead. But it doesn't belong on State land.

...I thought this was a rational discussion.
The Confederate Flag is a symbol of division. It represents a time that tore this country in half and killed hundreds of thousands of Americans. Ahhh, but whatever, Pride not Predudice right?
(Rolls Eyes)
The. End.

...I thought this was a rational discussion.
The Confederate Flag is a symbol of division. It represents a time that tore this country in half and killed hundreds of thousands of Americans. Ahhh, but whatever, Pride not Predudice right?
(Rolls Eyes)
The. End.

Fascism flourishes when the fear to speak your mind replaces the freedom to do so. Remember Nazism was "politically correct" once too.

To the "PC" police...
You may not like what I have to say, but I have the right to say it...you only have the right not to listen.

So, it's cowardly and lilly-livered to take down a flag that was flown specifically to show rejection to Civil Rights laws and integration? That flag was not flown from the South Carolina Capital until the 1960's and it was done so just to show contempt for Federal Laws banning segregation. Simply put, that flag was flown in support of segregation. Period. You wanna fly one? Go ahead, it's your right as a private citizen. Institutions of state, however, should not.
As for Old Navy's "illegal" shirt....there's nothing illegal about it. The US Code as it relates to the treatment of our flag is not law. It's a code of conduct and instruction in how to properly care for or flag. Personally, I follow these codes. I do not fly my flag at night and it NEVER touches the ground. When tattered, I drop it at the VFW in for proper disposal. However, should someone chose to shamefully ignore these rules, they have that right and they're not breaking the law.
Lastly, it is not illegal to fly the flag of a vanquished enemy....your friend is mistaken. However, Stars and Bars, it is a flag of insurgency.

I'm no fan of this liberal gov't or the agenda that it's pushing. I also don't think the confederate flag has anything to do with that tragic mass-murder a couple of weeks ago. However, lets not get crazy....no one is saying you can't fly or display a confederate flag. Each person is free to do so under the constitution. What is at issue is whether a gov't institution should be flying that flag. My personal opinion is no.
I'll soap box a little further....the confederate flag is a flag of treason. Today, we'd probably have branded them terrorists. Lastly, The flag that is currently flying over the Carolina State House was only raised in the 1960's as a symbol of defiance in the face voting rights and school integration. So, it's not some historic battle flag that'd been flying there for a century, it's simply a symbol of division.

That's right, and by Great Britain, they were. Then we won the war and became a sovereign nation. The end.
I see lots of problems with burning the American Flag. If someone shot the next person they saw doing it, I'd stand up and cheer! However, we have a lot of freedoms in this country, freedom of expression and such. The same freedom allows anyone to fly a Confederate flag loud and proud. The amount of freedom we have in this country means we have to be tolerant of things we don't like.
We can't stand on something like the 2nd Amendment to defend our rights to bear arms, but seek to take away the protections of another amendment. That's pretty contradictory.
I don't often support the Federal Gov't curtailing any individuals rights, even if that means a disgustingly tasteless display, such as desecrating Old Glory.

I'm no fan of this liberal gov't or the agenda that it's pushing. I also don't think the confederate flag has anything to do with that tragic mass-murder a couple of weeks ago. However, lets not get crazy....no one is saying you can't fly or display a confederate flag. Each person is free to do so under the constitution. What is at issue is whether a gov't institution should be flying that flag. My personal opinion is no.
I'll soap box a little further....the confederate flag is a flag of treason. Today, we'd probably have branded them terrorists. Lastly, The flag that is currently flying over the Carolina State House was only raised in the 1960's as a symbol of defiance in the face voting rights and school integration. So, it's not some historic battle flag that'd been flying there for a century, it's simply a symbol of division.

I'm no fan of this liberal gov't or the agenda that it's pushing. I also don't think the confederate flag has anything to do with that tragic mass-murder a couple of weeks ago. However, lets not get crazy....no one is saying you can't fly or display a confederate flag. Each person is free to do so under the constitution. What is at issue is whether a gov't institution should be flying that flag. My personal opinion is no.
I'll soap box a little further....the confederate flag is a flag of treason. Today, we'd probably have branded them terrorists. Lastly, The flag that is currently flying over the Carolina State House was only raised in the 1960's as a symbol of defiance in the face voting rights and school integration. So, it's not some historic battle flag that'd been flying there for a century, it's simply a symbol of division.

I'm no fan of this liberal gov't or the agenda that it's pushing. I also don't think the confederate flag has anything to do with that tragic mass-murder a couple of weeks ago. However, lets not get crazy....no one is saying you can't fly or display a confederate flag. Each person is free to do so under the constitution. What is at issue is whether a gov't institution should be flying that flag. My personal opinion is no.
I'll soap box a little further....the confederate flag is a flag of treason. Today, we'd probably have branded them terrorists. Lastly, The flag that is currently flying over the Carolina State House was only raised in the 1960's as a symbol of defiance in the face voting rights and school integration. So, it's not some historic battle flag that'd been flying there for a century, it's simply a symbol of division.

Exactly, in a historical context it can be appropriately displayed.
But to fly it as some kind of middle finger to the north ignores a key rule of warfare that has existed for thousands of years: Winner picks the decor...

I'm no fan of this liberal gov't or the agenda that it's pushing. I also don't think the confederate flag has anything to do with that tragic mass-murder a couple of weeks ago. However, lets not get crazy....no one is saying you can't fly or display a confederate flag. Each person is free to do so under the constitution. What is at issue is whether a gov't institution should be flying that flag. My personal opinion is no.
I'll soap box a little further....the confederate flag is a flag of treason. Today, we'd probably have branded them terrorists. Lastly, The flag that is currently flying over the Carolina State House was only raised in the 1960's as a symbol of defiance in the face voting rights and school integration. So, it's not some historic battle flag that'd been flying there for a century, it's simply a symbol of division.

That's some decent satire.
Bill diBlasio sucks. Period.

The above is all correct! T-shirts sold by the companies do help us off-set some in house expenses and we definitely appreciate it.
Also, if you're not in a position to visit a house, the FDNY Fire Zone in Rockafeller Center sells a lot of authorized stuff. That money does go to support the FDNY Foundation which is a non-profit that supports scholarships and other worthy causes.

The above is all correct! T-shirts sold by the companies do help us off-set some in house expenses and we definitely appreciate it.
Also, if you're not in a position to visit a house, the FDNY Fire Zone in Rockafeller Center sells a lot of authorized stuff. That money does go to support the FDNY Foundation which is a non-profit that supports scholarships and other worthy causes.

The above is all correct! T-shirts sold by the companies do help us off-set some in house expenses and we definitely appreciate it.
Also, if you're not in a position to visit a house, the FDNY Fire Zone in Rockafeller Center sells a lot of authorized stuff. That money does go to support the FDNY Foundation which is a non-profit that supports scholarships and other worthy causes.

The above is all correct! T-shirts sold by the companies do help us off-set some in house expenses and we definitely appreciate it.
Also, if you're not in a position to visit a house, the FDNY Fire Zone in Rockafeller Center sells a lot of authorized stuff. That money does go to support the FDNY Foundation which is a non-profit that supports scholarships and other worthy causes.

really?? nr REFUSES to go and MV REFUSES to come here. As my boss used to say, "don't let the truth get in the way of a good story".

“To single people out on the basis of race, whether it's for positive or for negative reasons, is discriminatory,” Rodriguez said.
Yup, this. The End.
We need to get outta the race based analysis game. This is just getting rediculous....and insulting....

“To single people out on the basis of race, whether it's for positive or for negative reasons, is discriminatory,” Rodriguez said.
Yup, this. The End.
We need to get outta the race based analysis game. This is just getting rediculous....and insulting....

If it were really a chief's test they'd have their head there instead of their hand. LOL

Ya know....yeah, it usually is. When you're in Westchester County, you're living in someone's little fiefdom. Someone's little slice of the pie and it's a ridiculous exercise in redundancy. I'm paying my property tax bill (which is insanely high) and wondering why they're always asking for more money, but there are fewer cops and the roads are like the surface of the moon.
Too many Chief's, not enough Indians.....lets streamline the operations around here and put our money and manpower to better use.
It's all about ratio's with the fire service. We DO have some good resources here, so lets expand their scope of coverage and better utilize them. We could use an analogy that would apply to many volunteer departments around here:
Lets say Dept. A has 5, reliable and involved members and that department answers 2 calls a day. Dept. B next door also has 5 reliable and involved members answering 2 calls a day. Well, 5 guys is useless...and those guys would probably jump at the opportunity to do more with their dedication. So, COMBINE those depts. and you've got 10 solid guys handling 4 calls a day. You've doubled your available manpower and simultaneously increased staff utilization by 100%. In the process, you could eliminate half the chief's and their vehicles, probably a firehouse to maintain and a redundant vehicle or two.
But....that'll never happen, because everyone is too interested in protecting their slice of the pie....

I'd like to comment on his interview, but I have to head to work go shine my car.