Full Department Response

[efdny2003 16]

I hear certain departments get toned out for a full department response, and was wondering what is the criteria for an automatic alarm getting a full department response. Is it only for large commercial of multiple occupied, or is it based on what the department and town decide?

[Guest DFFD227]

In Dobbs Ferry a full department response is three engines, one ladder, three chiefs and a utility. We are sent out on general alarms if there is.....

-Smoke in a structure

-Structure fires

-Inside odor of gas

-CO alarm with symptoms

-Car fire/rubbish fire/dumpster fire against a structure

-Residential alarms

-Commercial alarms

Car fires, Rubbish fires, Brush fires, Outside odors of gas, residential lock-outs, and CO alarms are all company callouts unless more is needed.

-George

[efdny2003 16]

DFFD, what is the criteria for a full department response for residential and commericial...does it have to be a certain size building, or does any commercial/residential alarm get full department response?

[RES20CUE 40]

In Somers, A "Full Department Response" is only transmitted for a possible/reported structure fire. That response consists of-

4 engines

1 ladder

1 rescue

1 tanker (if in tanker area)

1 ambulance

[EJS1810 7]

Full Department Response is the equivilant of a "General" alarm. Some agencies have the district broken up in zones for the different companies to respond to, Engine 1 handles calls in the NE and NW section of town, Engine 2 handles calls in the SE section and Engine 3 has the SW section. On a "General Alarm" or "Full Department Response" all 3 engines respond.

Each Department sets up thier own Order of Response & Response Zones.

[jcoppola 52]

Norwalk FD Assignments:

Target hazards (schools, nursing homes, manufacturing, waterflow alarms): 2 engines, 1 Truck, 1 Rescue and the Deputy

Lesser target hazards (schools after hours, large commercial occupancies): 1 engine, 1 truck

Stills (home alarms etc. with no second source): 1 engine

Reported working fires or second sources: additional truck as the RIT

MVA or other industrial accidents: Rescue, 1st due engine and the Deputy

Car fires on limited access highways: 1st due engine and the Deputy

Marine Ops: Engine 5 to the boat launch to man the boat with the crew

[Guest]

In Vestal 2 stations get called out respond like theres a fire when a cheif or command gets there they decide if they need everything or if they can hold some,

Edited December 28, 2007 by dave27

[Future Fireman 4]

Around here:

MVA's

MVA WITH INJURIES- 1st Due Engine

MVA WITH ENTRAPMENT- 1st Due Engine and Ladder, Rescue 1, and I believe the District Chief

Fire/CO/other Alarms

- 1st and 2nd Due Engine, 1st Due Ladder, District Chief, and sometimes the Rescue

Reported Fire/Smoke

-1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th Due Engines, 1st and 2nd Due Ladders, Rescue 1, and District Chief

Special Ops

SCUBA ALERT- Scuba Truck, Rescue 1, District Chief, Special Ops Chief, and all department divers on-duty. (i.e. E5 has 1 diver and will respond on the alert)

HAZMAT- Special Ops truck, HAZMAT Task Force (4 engines, 4 trucks, the Rescue, District Chief, and Special Ops chief)

Those are all I know.

Mike

Edited December 28, 2007 by Future Fireman

[cas2383 22]

In Port Chester full dept. responses are called for all schools during occupied/potentially occupied hours. However there is usually an engine or two and ladder that remains off the call staying in service incase of another run.

[Guest]

In Port Chester full dept. responses are called for all schools during occupied/potentially occupied hours. However there is usually an engine or two and ladder that remains off the call staying in service incase of another run.

Vestal does this too full dept to schools and nursing homes

[Guest DFFD227]

We roll a general alarm on ALL commercial/residential alarms. Does not matter the size of the occupancy.

[PVFD233 68]

Structure Fire (and Poss fire, burning odor, smoke in residence) - 4 Engines, 2 Tankers, 1 Rescue,2 Utilities, 2 BLS Ambulances (1 most likely O.O.S on scene and other in service on scene)...Any confirmed Structure fires would bring in a Alamo ALS unit and a FAST team

Car Fire, Brush fire endangering/close to a residence - 4 Engines, 2 Tankers, 1 Rescue,2 Utilities, 2 BLS Ambulances

House struck by lightning - 4 Engines, 2 Tankers, 1 Rescue,2 Utilities, 2 BLS Ambulances

Thats it for a Full 1st Alarm Response.

Edited December 29, 2007 by SPFC56-233

[Guest]

New Canaan runs with a six man shift/six man minimum. On weekdays, we also have a chief officer.

We dispatch two engines and the ladder to residential alarms. The main reason is to get maximum credit for ISO. The duty shift runs the first engine and the ladder. Volunteers can run the second due engine.

For commerical alarms, we run the full box which is two engines, the ladder, the rescue and the command car. A chief officer typically responds on these as well. Off duty career members and volunteers will take the third due and latter due apparatus. If the target hazard is in a non-hydranted area, we also roll our tanker.

We roll a full box with automatic aid on the first alarm for possible structure fires. This is mostly for tankers, however, we do want an engine responding in our commercial district. Volunteers and off duty career respond back as well.

[rfdu39 89]

Rye sends two engines (191,192), one ladder(25) and one utility(39) to all residental and comercial alarms.

One engine (191 or 192) to brush, trash, and CO calls.

One engine (191 or 192) to MVA/car fire if not on 95 or 287.

One engine (191), one ladder (25), two utilities(39,49) to MVA/car fire on 95 or 287.

One ladder (25) to lockouts.

[fireguy5 0]

Danbury for an auto alarm sends the following:

Car 30- assiant chief

Truck 1- with a captain on it

2 paid engines- each with a LT.

2 volunteer engines

1 lighting and air unit (volunteer staffed)

[turk182 37]

Rye sends two engines (191,192), one ladder(25) and one utility(39) to all residental and comercial alarms.

One engine (191 or 192) to brush, trash, and CO calls.

One engine (191 or 192) to MVA/car fire if not on 95 or 287.

One engine (191), one ladder (25), two utilities(39,49) to MVA/car fire on 95 or 287.

One ladder (25) to lockouts.

CORRECTION

In Rye structure calls (automatic or other) 2 engines, ladder, utility. (sometimes dispatched as full department response)

Mva/ Mvf one engine, one ladder, utilities

All other calls one engine and ladder

The ladder responds to all calls for that little bit more manpower

Edited December 29, 2007 by turk182

[Bnechis 3,961]

Norwalk FD Assignments:

Target hazards (schools, nursing homes, manufacturing, waterflow alarms): 2 engines, 1 Truck, 1 Rescue and the Deputy

Lesser target hazards (schools after hours, large commercial occupancies): 1 engine, 1 truck

Stills (home alarms etc. with no second source): 1 engine

Reported working fires or second sources: additional truck as the RIT

MVA or other industrial accidents: Rescue, 1st due engine and the Deputy

Car fires on limited access highways: 1st due engine and the Deputy

Marine Ops: Engine 5 to the boat launch to man the boat with the crew

Our responses are similar with the following exceptions:

2 engines (& DC) on limited access (for extra water)

additional engine (not truck) as FAST

Lesser target hazards schools after hours is interesting, because

1) unless it is middle of night, may be occupied (PTA, shows, night school, clubs, etc.)

2) We have had 3 serious fires in 3 different schools all after hours. the largest was the High school in 1968 at the time it was the largest (in $$) school fire in history (unditected burned up to a common cockloft then ran 800' off it before discovery) It cost $4 m to repair (that was back when gasoline was about 25 cents) and took 12 years to complete the repairs.

With such a large community investment, even with a lower than normal life hazard, We are more comfortable with a larger response.