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Yes, they did, 3 years ago, and afterward, many of the politicians (who could have ACTUALLY taken the study and DONE SOMETHING about it) stood around patting each other on the back, congratulating themselves about such a fine study they had commissioned.

Yes, they did, 3 years ago, and afterward, many of the politicians (who could have ACTUALLY taken the study and DONE SOMETHING about it) stood around patting each other on the back, congratulating themselves about such a fine study they had commissioned.

I find it interesting how every post generally turns into a Paid vs. Volunteer issue or a Fire vs. Police issue. As a former NYS Fire Instructor who has trained many volunteers and a former director of the Westchester Career Fire Academy who has trained many career firefighters, there are many excellent and dedicated career and volunteer firefighters as there are many not so excellent career and volunteer firefighters. You are always going to have individuals who are going to play the system (career and volunteer), using it to their advantage, and getting everything out of it for themselves that they can. This is a fact of life and it’s not changing anytime soon.

Let’s all wake up, the fire really doesn’t care if you are paid or volunteer, it’s not going to say “lets take it easy on them, they are volunteers”. It is paramount that all firefighter’s career and volunteer keep current skills and training. The same applies to the poor victim trapped in a fire or motor vehicle, do you really think they care what the patch on your sleeve states, FD, PD, paid or volunteer!

Everyone’s time would be better spent working together, FD, PD, paid and volunteer, for the common good and betterment of emergencies services, rather then bickering over who is better or who’s doing who’s job.

it is obvious to most reading these posts what you are attempting...the very childish and weak tactic of distraction from the issue at hand, such as when a child is caught with their hand in the cookie jar, and instead of admitting fault, exclaiming "well, my sister smeaks cookies all the time and doesn't get caught!"
This thread is not about alleged abuse of workers compensation by career firefighters. Feel free to start a thread about that though if you wish. Man up and come with some facts though. By law, all of the records you would need to attempt to prove your allegation are accessible to you, unlike the unaccessible books of volunteer fire departments.
The issue in Irvington was brought to light by the courageous and ethical stand taken by a volunteer firefighter and backed up by several other courageous and ethical volunteer firefighters, so I fail to understand why you constantly choose to attack career firefighters. However, keep going for it...all it does is serve to further expose your motivations for what they are.

I'm not aware of any career departments who collect donations which are used for anything other than charitable works. Any partying which is done comes out of the members own pockets.

That's easy. The direction of that topic of discussion would depend entirely on whether he was paid, or not.
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That's easy. The direction of that topic of discussion would depend entirely on whether he was paid, or not.
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That's easy. The direction of that topic of discussion would depend entirely on whether he was paid, or not.
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That's easy. The direction of that topic of discussion would depend entirely on whether he was paid, or not.
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That's easy. The direction of that topic of discussion would depend entirely on whether he was paid, or not.
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Or how many lights he had on the truck!

That's easy. The direction of that topic of discussion would depend entirely on whether he was paid, or not.
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That's easy. The direction of that topic of discussion would depend entirely on whether he was paid, or not.
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That's easy. The direction of that topic of discussion would depend entirely on whether he was paid, or not.
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That's easy. The direction of that topic of discussion would depend entirely on whether he was paid, or not.
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So what's up people? Just an opinion, since the site has undergone the software change, feels to me like the "environment" has changed as well.
To the career firefighting Brothers: I realize there is immense pressure on the home-front these days, meaning the jobs are under pressure. Nobody can get a contract, morale is suffering, making it harder to do what you do, Yonkers wants to mess with the job again. Regarding a website like this, there is a new awareness that social media can have real world ramifications.
Witness the Miami-Dade fire captain who recently posted a rant on facebook about the George Zimmerman case. That got him demoted to buck private. I guess he's lucky he's still on the job. The rules in Florida for civil servants can be severe, but I guess that's true everywhere. Just more severe in some places.
And I guess that's why a lot of Brothers and Sisters who used to post more frequently have pulled back as of late. Not that they rant, rather they're being hesitant. It's smart to CYA. You gotta.
Once again just an opinion but the direction can change for the positive. The discussions about firefighting, experiences, the posting of photos of apparatus, these types of posts should be expanded upon, so more people will come back in to the discussion boards. I think many are hesitant to post anything, and it's in direct connect to the job now.
We all knew that was coming. Word was out on this site long ago. Remember the "Cameras are everywhere" thread? Take a look at the NY Post this morning. they are attempting to vilify an NYPD Sgt. who was speaking on the street to the local thugeries that only understand street. One little rat videoed him, and bango, front page of the Post. I watched that video. There is nothing surprising or vile in it. The vile is a morality dictate from the "so morally pure" organization that prints it. You know the one with the phone tap scandal going on. Those morally pure folk.
Trying to destroy an Sgt doing the job the way it gets done in some places. Dealing with a subject with a reported 20 arrests. Nice guy. And the paper exploits this dirtbag to denigrate the NYPD. Why?
The point of this post is directed at the career Brothers and the cops, and ems, and volunteer firefighters who make up this online forum/community. There is so much you can still talk/write about. It will lift morale for guys to get back to discussing the stuff we all learn from.
Happy Monday morning. You know what that media saturation of bad news, it hits everybody. We ll need to stay vigilant enough to realize, just take a look around you, and you'll see the American economy is still vibrantly active, sure there are big problems with the GOVT, but Americans mostly yawn and go back to work. the gazzilion stories of the 10 percent who are unemployed struggling is indeed worthy of attention. But take a look around you at the thriving, the commerce, the technology, the defeat of terrorists.
This country is tired and worked out, but it never gives up. And that's why things are going to be okay. That's why eventually the GOVT will figure out what the hell they are doing. Someday things will come back. The dread, the doom, you know what it's just not worth worrying about it. It'll make you sick unless you step up and put it all down, and continue to do what you do.
So how about some more postings? I yearn to read more from just about everybody here. Like the Summerville Brother said, have a great day.

The WESTCHESTER COUNTY FIRE CONTROL CENTER (60 Control) a Division of the Westchester County Department of Emergency Services, maintains the county-wide apparatus assignment list.

This is the current list as of 4/03/13

http://emergencyservices.westchestergov.com/images/stories/APP2013.pdf

Official business questions, comments or requests regarding apparatus numbers should be
Directed to Lieutenant Felix (Hap) Hughes, Records Officer: ffh2@westchestergov.com


Thanks, SteveOFD for the list updates.

It's reassuring to know that there are detectors sensitive enough to activate in response to such minute quantities of radioactive material present.

It's reassuring to know that there are detectors sensitive enough to activate in response to such minute quantities of radioactive material present.

It's reassuring to know that there are detectors sensitive enough to activate in response to such minute quantities of radioactive material present.

We had to do some housekeeping in here.
Off topic posts have been removed, further violations of forum rules will be dealt with accordingly.

I understand what you're saying Joe. We must also acknowledge there are always going to be comments from the general public (and sometimes FD members) because of the responsibility you must carry enforcing the law.
It's not a popular job, because 95% of everyday ordinary Americans go afoul of some kind of law, probably every single day. There is a lot of projected anxiety toward the police. It's easy for someone to point at the cop when he gets a speeding ticket and say "that such-and such." What a common reaction to shirk the responsibility that the driver was doing 76 in a 55, and say it's the cop's fault for writing the ticket! So Grandma Hespess who prides herself on having never broken a law, carelessly speeds down the Sprain Brook Pkwy, doing 70 and talking on the cell phone. That d@#n cop!
I have always admired the fraternity of the police. It is extremely strong. You have to have each others' backs; because sometimes it is you against the world.
At the same time, you're not going to find more people who gather at a website, who have as much respect for their police brothers in blue, as those who gather here. Many, many times, the misdirection of hostility directed at the human being tasked with LE, the guy in the uniform gets the brunt of those dissatisfied with the law itself.

I have been on both sides of this fence.
Sometimes there's a fine line between helping and being a hinderance.
You really have to know the difference.
Some do and some don't.

LoHud was always free... and frequently worth what they charged.
Mike

I did not want to interrupt the existing Carmel Structure Fire Discussion topic which is becoming more of an online condolence thread, however I'm curious and I understand the incident investigation is ongoing, but were there not any working smoke detectors in this house?
Could this be yet another multi-fatality incident where the loss of life might have been preventable?