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I think the second guy climbing up the ladder was trying to get everybody killed. The trapped worker saved both their lives. If it weren't for him they might of never moved the ladder. It looks like they would of been in the collapse that occurred soon after.

I think the second guy climbing up the ladder was trying to get everybody killed. The trapped worker saved both their lives. If it weren't for him they might of never moved the ladder. It looks like they would of been in the collapse that occurred soon after.

It's a good thing the worker had the strength to do what he did cause the turntable operator obviously couldn't extend the Ladder if possible any further with the second guy climbing up the aerial behind the 1st Rescuer. What was he thinking and what was he going to do if he got further up? You could see the 1st Rescuer telling him to get back down. And what is the tip load?

Interesting concept: A) Train to deal with the problem which will negate the aftermath, Or B. Ignore the problem and train for the aftermath. It's not always this cut and dry but if I were given a choice I would choose "A". All to often I see people go right to "B" It would also help to identify the problem before there is even a chance of a aftermath. Training for a worst case scenario has its place in the fire service. Preventing a worst case scenario from happening has a bigger place though.

Interesting concept: A) Train to deal with the problem which will negate the aftermath, Or B. Ignore the problem and train for the aftermath. It's not always this cut and dry but if I were given a choice I would choose "A". All to often I see people go right to "B" It would also help to identify the problem before there is even a chance of a aftermath. Training for a worst case scenario has its place in the fire service. Preventing a worst case scenario from happening has a bigger place though.

I agree. People must come first. So when a Mayor Decides he's going to brown out companies for the day or 24 hours he or she is not putting their own citizens safety first.

This didn't go over to well. I apologize, It cracked me up when I typed it. fast,RIT and then SOP's..........never mind. I never intended to injure anybody's fingers. But thanks for the explanation.

Barry,we might never agree. But you're a good guy in all seriousness.

The irony is, the same departments that always go to the same jobs together, and couldn't function without each other, can't merge with each other and share operation and reduce costs. Mount Vernon isn't the only department that uses mutual aid continuously as a crutch. And maybe creating a joint fire district will take the power away from the Mount Vernon politicians, which may be the only way to save them and the members of MVFD.
And how can MVFD have enough manpower to have a FAST team, especially now that they are down 2 firefighters who are facing felony charges yet still holding spots in the department? But they are probably good at forcible entry and dragging victims. It's funny because it's true.
(I apologize to the MVFD members I offended)

Didn't members of these Depts.responding on M/A take an oath to protect and serve those taxpayers who pay their Salaries and are not only putting their lives in danger but their Brother FFs. It's not a neighboring Depts. responsibility to worry about F/P for another Community because of neglect on the abusive Municipalities City Officials and Administration. Id love to see how everyone felt if a civilian was seriously injured or killed because the Apparatus that was suppose to be there to protect them was once again, for the umpteenth time, in another Community providing F/P because the Powers To Be in this neighboring town refuse to provide adequate F/P on a continuous basis. JMO.

Most treads are high jacked!
We can't just answer the question asked.
It's not about what to do the right way ---- It's always about what we are doing the wrong way!

It's my understanding that a certain department does have the money. In fact its budgeted, just not spent. Money is then taken from and spent in other areas. Such as non civil service jobs created for political pay back. Mutual aid to a point enables this to happen. Why spend money on the nesessities if it will be given to you in the long run.
This is not my mentality, this is a mentality that exist in society that we all see everyday at work and in this case in government.
Sooner or later there has to be a different approach to dealing with problem that never goes away. If your not getting the desired results its time to change your tactics.
Most seminars I go to stress this. Its always about a new approach to an old problem. In some ways the evolution in the fire service is amazing. In other ways its stagnant.

If your union is against a job action that the members are for it is time for new leadership. The only thing that is red or red/white and has three people in it should be an ambulance. As long as guys keep doing what they 'think' is the right thing they will continue to be treated like garbage.

Chiefs all over the county are furious about how some departments abuse mutual aid! Or are they?

Yes you are correct and like I said I would never condone it or a sickout. Many Communities however, like Yonkers are very different politically. What one Community will put up with another won't. I can tell you though for a fact Ive heard City/Town Officials say out of their own mouths "Why hire more men when we have a M/A Policy. They're only a phone call away." "Besides, how many fires a year do we have anyway." With that rationale we'll never win.

Bottom line is this current strategy isn't working. This is proven. Time for a different approach. Unless going on mutual aid to supplement somebody's short comings is the ultimate goal.

This didn't go over to well. I apologize, It cracked me up when I typed it. fast,RIT and then SOP's..........never mind. I never intended to injure anybody's fingers. But thanks for the explanation.

Ladder towers were used in medieval time to attack castles. Archers would shoot at the castle defender from the top. Game of Throwns starts soon. Tower Ladders are the safest type of ariels in the fire service. Rearmount ladders are unpredictable and have been known to hit firefighters in the head while operating at fires.

Ladder towers were used in medieval time to attack castles. Archers would shoot at the castle defender from the top. Game of Throwns starts soon. Tower Ladders are the safest type of ariels in the fire service. Rearmount ladders are unpredictable and have been known to hit firefighters in the head while operating at fires.

Ladder towers were used in medieval time to attack castles. Archers would shoot at the castle defender from the top. Game of Throwns starts soon. Tower Ladders are the safest type of ariels in the fire service. Rearmount ladders are unpredictable and have been known to hit firefighters in the head while operating at fires.

This didn't go over to well. I apologize, It cracked me up when I typed it. fast,RIT and then SOP's..........never mind. I never intended to injure anybody's fingers. But thanks for the explanation.

Ladder towers were used in medieval time to attack castles. Archers would shoot at the castle defender from the top. Game of Throwns starts soon. Tower Ladders are the safest type of ariels in the fire service. Rearmount ladders are unpredictable and have been known to hit firefighters in the head while operating at fires.

Ladder towers were used in medieval time to attack castles. Archers would shoot at the castle defender from the top. Game of Throwns starts soon. Tower Ladders are the safest type of ariels in the fire service. Rearmount ladders are unpredictable and have been known to hit firefighters in the head while operating at fires.

I thought the only difference in trucks were tower ladders and straight sticks. The fat lazy Truckies ride the TL to the roof and the real Truckies climb to the top!!!

RIT and FAST are two different terms for the same thing.