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Date: 08/13/2012
Time:
Location: 711 State Route 211
Frequency: 154.205; 46.16
Units Operating: Montgomery FD, Circleville FD (FAST Team), Campbell Hall FD(Tanker), Mechanicstown FD( Ladder)
36-101, 36-111, 36-11
Weather Conditions: Sunny
Description Of Incident: Structure Fire at AHRC (Developmental Disabilities Group Home)
Reporters:

Larchmont_Boy said that a police commissioner on scene ordered the ticket written. I don't know how it is in Sullivan County, but in Orange County a police commissioner is a civilian oversight position, like a fire commissioner, and has NO authority on a scene.

Date: 8/8/2012
Time: 1215 App
Location: 246 School House Road
Frequency: 154.205; 46.16; OC Fireground A
Units Operating: Howells (Full Department), Middletown (1 Ladder to Scene), Washington Heights (1 Engine to Fill Site), Cuddebackville (1 Tanker to SB @ Howells), Slate Hill (FAST Team to scene, 1 Tanker Standby in Quarters), Pocatello (1 Tanker to Scene); Fire Investigators 36-101, 36-111
Weather Conditions: Warm
Description Of Incident: Structure Fire
Reporters: v85

Date: 8/8/2012
Time: 1215 App
Location: 246 School House Road
Frequency: 154.205; 46.16; OC Fireground A
Units Operating: Howells (Full Department), Middletown (1 Ladder to Scene), Washington Heights (1 Engine to Fill Site), Cuddebackville (1 Tanker to SB @ Howells), Slate Hill (FAST Team to scene, 1 Tanker Standby in Quarters), Pocatello (1 Tanker to Scene); Fire Investigators 36-101, 36-111
Weather Conditions: Warm
Description Of Incident: Structure Fire
Reporters: v85

I agree that we should look at how we respond to hostile events, but before we can start thinking about a coordinated response to a hostile event, we need to be able to have coordinated responses at all.
At least in Orange County it is the rule, rather than the exception that all three emergency services are on different radio bands (ie. Police on 800, Fire on UHF/Low Band, and EMS on VHF), not to mention they are often dispatched by different people (PD by their own dispatchers and FD/EMS by the County 911 center).
Something as simple as requesting EMS to an accident thought to be PDAA only takes four steps

I agree that we should look at how we respond to hostile events, but before we can start thinking about a coordinated response to a hostile event, we need to be able to have coordinated responses at all.
At least in Orange County it is the rule, rather than the exception that all three emergency services are on different radio bands (ie. Police on 800, Fire on UHF/Low Band, and EMS on VHF), not to mention they are often dispatched by different people (PD by their own dispatchers and FD/EMS by the County 911 center).
Something as simple as requesting EMS to an accident thought to be PDAA only takes four steps

Can anyone confirm that PD was doing "scoop and runs" with the injured to the hospital.
I know it is nearly impossible to do, but it would be interesting to see a study that compares outcomes, both survival and quality of life afterwards with those treated in the traditional manner by ems.

Date: 6/26/2012
Time: Appx 1730
Location: Route 293 IAO West Point Range 2
Frequency: 46.16; 153.860
Units Operating: West Point FD + EMS, Town of Highlands EMS 385, 386, 389, Mobile Life 290, Air 2, Highland Falls Fire Department (Cover West Point), Cornwall EMS 326 (Cover West Point), Woodbury or New Windsor EMS (Cover Highland Falls)
Weather Conditions: Mostly sunny, windy
Description Of Incident: MVA involving military humvee with 11 patients
Reporters:

Date: 6/26/2012
Time: Appx 1730
Location: Route 293 IAO West Point Range 2
Frequency: 46.16; 153.860
Units Operating: West Point FD + EMS, Town of Highlands EMS 385, 386, 389, Mobile Life 290, Air 2, Highland Falls Fire Department (Cover West Point), Cornwall EMS 326 (Cover West Point), Woodbury or New Windsor EMS (Cover Highland Falls)
Weather Conditions: Mostly sunny, windy
Description Of Incident: MVA involving military humvee with 11 patients
Reporters:

The people in the article, and one of the local civil rights lawyers who appears to have posted a comment say that the police need to be trained to de-escalate situations like this.
Can anyone please tell me how to de-escalate a man wanted for homicide who is charging at you with a knife? There is a time for "verbal judo" and "crisis intervention" and there is a time to take action. This was definately a time for the latter.

You forgot the family and friends hiring some "reverends" to act as their spokespeople and hold "peace marches"

You forgot the family and friends hiring some "reverends" to act as their spokespeople and hold "peace marches"

This was just a question that I have been wondering about for some time now. It seems that after 9/11 everyone is focusing on preparing for "the big one", as well they should but it just seems backwards to me when:
An ambulance corps has enough MCI equipment to treat 100+ patients, but can't get out the door for an elderly fall victim
A fire department has all of the latest and greatest HAZMAT and WMD gear, but needs to call massive amounts of mutual aid for a room and contents fire
A police department has plenty of tactical and active shooter training, but needs to call the state police or sheriff's office to handle a past burg or larceny

This was just a question that I have been wondering about for some time now. It seems that after 9/11 everyone is focusing on preparing for "the big one", as well they should but it just seems backwards to me when:
An ambulance corps has enough MCI equipment to treat 100+ patients, but can't get out the door for an elderly fall victim
A fire department has all of the latest and greatest HAZMAT and WMD gear, but needs to call massive amounts of mutual aid for a room and contents fire
A police department has plenty of tactical and active shooter training, but needs to call the state police or sheriff's office to handle a past burg or larceny

This was just a question that I have been wondering about for some time now. It seems that after 9/11 everyone is focusing on preparing for "the big one", as well they should but it just seems backwards to me when:
An ambulance corps has enough MCI equipment to treat 100+ patients, but can't get out the door for an elderly fall victim
A fire department has all of the latest and greatest HAZMAT and WMD gear, but needs to call massive amounts of mutual aid for a room and contents fire
A police department has plenty of tactical and active shooter training, but needs to call the state police or sheriff's office to handle a past burg or larceny

This was just a question that I have been wondering about for some time now. It seems that after 9/11 everyone is focusing on preparing for "the big one", as well they should but it just seems backwards to me when:
An ambulance corps has enough MCI equipment to treat 100+ patients, but can't get out the door for an elderly fall victim
A fire department has all of the latest and greatest HAZMAT and WMD gear, but needs to call massive amounts of mutual aid for a room and contents fire
A police department has plenty of tactical and active shooter training, but needs to call the state police or sheriff's office to handle a past burg or larceny

This was just a question that I have been wondering about for some time now. It seems that after 9/11 everyone is focusing on preparing for "the big one", as well they should but it just seems backwards to me when:
An ambulance corps has enough MCI equipment to treat 100+ patients, but can't get out the door for an elderly fall victim
A fire department has all of the latest and greatest HAZMAT and WMD gear, but needs to call massive amounts of mutual aid for a room and contents fire
A police department has plenty of tactical and active shooter training, but needs to call the state police or sheriff's office to handle a past burg or larceny

I wonder how many injuries those airbags will actually prevent? Yes it will prevent the person from hitting the windshield, but they would still suffer the trauma of the initial impact with the car. 2,000 pounds of metal hitting your legs at 50 miles an hour is going to hurt.

I wonder how many injuries those airbags will actually prevent? Yes it will prevent the person from hitting the windshield, but they would still suffer the trauma of the initial impact with the car. 2,000 pounds of metal hitting your legs at 50 miles an hour is going to hurt.

This was just a question that I have been wondering about for some time now. It seems that after 9/11 everyone is focusing on preparing for "the big one", as well they should but it just seems backwards to me when:
An ambulance corps has enough MCI equipment to treat 100+ patients, but can't get out the door for an elderly fall victim
A fire department has all of the latest and greatest HAZMAT and WMD gear, but needs to call massive amounts of mutual aid for a room and contents fire
A police department has plenty of tactical and active shooter training, but needs to call the state police or sheriff's office to handle a past burg or larceny

You forgot the family and friends hiring some "reverends" to act as their spokespeople and hold "peace marches"

This was just a question that I have been wondering about for some time now. It seems that after 9/11 everyone is focusing on preparing for "the big one", as well they should but it just seems backwards to me when:
An ambulance corps has enough MCI equipment to treat 100+ patients, but can't get out the door for an elderly fall victim
A fire department has all of the latest and greatest HAZMAT and WMD gear, but needs to call massive amounts of mutual aid for a room and contents fire
A police department has plenty of tactical and active shooter training, but needs to call the state police or sheriff's office to handle a past burg or larceny

You forgot the family and friends hiring some "reverends" to act as their spokespeople and hold "peace marches"

You forgot the family and friends hiring some "reverends" to act as their spokespeople and hold "peace marches"

I don't recall ever seeing a state policy on anything like that, other than the fact that you need a driver and EMT on every call, and that there is an obscure section in the Arts and Cultural Affairs law that allows anyone 15+ to "work" on a volunteer ambulance. Don't ask why it is in Arts and Cultural Affairs, probably says something about the level of competence in the statehouse.

http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/LAWSSEAF.cgi?QUERYTYPE=LAWS+&QUERYDATA=$$ACA35.07$$@TXACA035.07+&LIST=LAW+&BROWSER=EXPLORER+&TOKEN=23844272+&TARGET=VIEW
I would imagine though that departments have there own policies