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If it was 14 truck's house, was that during the ALF and Sutphen era?

Used a similar system in a previous life... When you'd mark up as responding, if you said Engine X is responding, it was implied that you had a full complement of folks on board that met the requirement for the type of job you were going to. If not, you said Engine X is responding "lite with 3" or "lite with 1"... The number being the number of individuals who were qualified for the type of job you were going to. This way the IC while still enroute could determine if he was going to assign or call for additional resources.

.....When we see fire departments frazzled with a simple working fire we know they are not going to be able to handle a fire with people trapped. I'm sure if you have experienced both you know the difference. If you are calm cool and collected on the fireground on a normal basis which is helped by training you will have the best shot at addressing life hazards. If a normal working fire is a cluster you probably won't be able to up your game when the real pressure is on.

This statement alone defines the health of most fire departments, rural or not, paid or not.

This tactic does seem risky and I really cannot think of any practical use for it. That said, if I had to think outside the box and rig this contraption together in an effort to save my own life or rescue a fallen firefighter, then I'd climb across it. It can be done...it shouldn't be done...but it can be done...

Now comes the double-edged sword...If it can be done, do you practice the tactic so that firefighters know this is feasible even though it is not recommended? Or is it too dangerous to even train on this tactic? I probably would have thrown a safety line on the guy at the bare minimum if it were me running the training! God forbid one of these guys gets hurt while practicing it though...lawsuit waiting to happen!

I see your point of view regarding "if you had to... you could".... But this seems too risky to train on for me. No harness, not tied off, and you are putting a level of stress on the ladder that it wasn't designed to hold. I'm not an expert on ground ladder capacities and testing, but the strength of the ground ladder is dependent on much of the force being transmitted down to the ground. In this case 100% of the force is being transmitted the opposite way.... The exact same way that aerial devices typically fail.

I'll admit it, I'm a rail fan. Not so much for the railroad industry but for the motive equipment. I'm am equal fan of the trucking and maritime business. If it has combustion engine for motive power, I like it.

The amount of movement that even a modern aerial has far exceeds the overhang buffer that the ground ladder has either to the top of the parapit or to the tip of the stick. The guy has no climbing harness or other PPE to support this type of adventure either. Even if you could tie it off the chances of failure for this system seem high but I'm unfamiliar with its use. I'd cut the tree down and put the stick up to the building if it was a legitimate job requiring roof access.

Oh and check out the hose reel that you lower to the ground and it automatically winds the hose while the rig backs up.

This thing is so flippin cool. Other than the Stortz appearing fittings on the pump, it looks pretty original.

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I doubt it was serious. The 60 Control dispatcher was outright laughing while dispatching the call and didn't give any further information other then a "bee sting". It would have been nice to know when dispatched if there was an anaphylactic reaction, multiple victims, any hazards to responder like a swarm, and the such.

Hoping the dispatcher was laughing at something other than the caller. I know two people (they're a father daughter combo) that will most likely die if ever stung again and they don't have their epi pen. Someone may have been frantically calling over a bee sting but if it was due to family history of escalating anaphylaxis then they hysteria may be warranted not laughable.

Why are we not defending this guy......

Amen

They've got a 75ft Quint and are surrounded by a ocean of tower ladders.

I think Steward saw him and went to go close and even "spray" him with dirt. The reason I say this is, looking at the motion of the car and the audio of the video, it seems like Steward "goosed" the accelerator just before Ward was struck.

I also don't understand how NASCAR thought it would be okay to put him on the track on Sunday.

I don't know if there is bad blood between the two; I agree that Ward should have never left his vehicle, but Steward is a menace to the sport. It's not the "good ole days" where car racing is lawless. I have never like Steward, I hope more video of the incident comes out.

My thoughts and prayers to the Ward family. This was a completely avoidable and senseless death.

The kid in the video ran towards him and the goosing of the throttle that you saw was him trying to turn the car to the bottom of the track. The only way to get a sprint car to turn quickly is to use the throttle. Watch the way they race. The car is designed to race sideways and thus it doesn't like to turn moving slow.

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Your thought about him trying to spray Ward with dirt makes no sense as well. These are hard packed clay (most of the time) tracks. There is little to no spraying of dirt on a night like last night.

Those were semi open cabs... They had doors.

A true open cab had no doors.

The typical 1980's closed driver/officer with open jump seat is a canopy cab.

Today's rigs are enclosed cab.

Not true. We have been going thru many minor parts that are critical to keeping the rigs in-service. Door handles are a big item. if you can't close the door you are out of service and they are an ALF only part. Lots of other minor issues that are critical.

Also LTI components are an issue.

Well Barry, as usual you have brought something to my attention that I wasn't thinking about. Minor parts truly could become a hassle as time goes on.

3-Engine was going on a run when it occurred. The guys jumped out and starting extinguishing it. Shop said its repairable. We are not in as great shape as you think with apparatus or spares.

I don't necessarily think your post was in response to mine, but I did want to put it out that I was speaking generically about ALF rigs being serviceable in light of the corporate failure... Not per se the YFD's struggle to maintain the fleet.

Not really a problem... Unless the chassis fails just about everything else is standard sheet metal or readily available parts from Cummins, CAT, Detroit Diesel, Allison, Meritor, Eaton, Hale, Darley, etc. there wasn't much that was proprietary on ALF rigs after the 1980's.

With regard to The Villages.... Apples to Elephants comparison....

For fire protection it is an IAFF local. For EMS, for about a decade ending in 2011 Lake/Sumter EMS (Lake County, FL and Sumter County, FL) provided EMS as a bi-county municipal entity. In 2011 Sumter County opted out of the bi-county agreement that established Lake/Sumter EMS and contracted with Rural Metro. Lake County decided that the previous model was still efficient and merely removed the Sumter half of the logos from the rigs and went on operating as is.... This is an apples to watermelons comparison with regard to anything in Westchester....

The Rural Metro has the contract for ALL of Sumter County which is 580/sq miles and has a population of 101,600. Within Sumter County, 51,500 of the 101,600 residents are located within The Villages which is 5.5sq miles which includes the hospital of choice for transporting within Sumter County. So R/M gets a major economy of scale. A contract for 101,000 folks where nearly half of them (the half that are most likely to have medical issues and who ALL have Medicare as their reliable healthcare payor source) are living in a 5.5sq mile area with a hospital right down the road. Lesson here.... You've got a captive group of folks who all have a reliable means of reimbursing an ambulance service making up half the lives that are covered in the County contract all living within spitting distance of each other AND the hospital. NO BRAINER.

Eastchester you might say is very similar... 32,500 residents in 5sq miles with a hospital nearby. Thats where the similarities end. R/M doesn't have the contract for ALL of Westchester County nor will they ever get it. So if R/M goes it alone in Eastchester they have no economy of scale, the median age is is 40 years old vs. 66 years old in the Villages and thus the payor mix for reimbursement is going to be vastly different than it is for the Villages where everyone has coverage and work will be consistent to say the least.. Lesson here... EMS in Eastchester is NOTHING like EMS in The Villages AND.... Rural Metro doesn't do a good job of running fire departments in heavily populated areas. They currently have Fire Contracts for Pima, Pinal, and Yuma County Arizona whose population density ranges from 36 people/sq mile to 107 people/sq mile. Their other two fire contracts are for Knox County, TN at 751P/sq mile and Josaphine County, OR at 50P/sq mile. Eastchester has a population density of 6,500P/sq mile and Westchester County as a hole has a population density of 2200P/sq mile. Providing fire protection in Westchester, especially Southern Westchester is NOTHING like Sumter County Florida where the County covers most of the unincorporated areas with an IAFF local and the Villages has a stand alone IAFF department.

This is truly a shame. Suburbia moves in on this place and it folds because the landlord has no stones (no pun intended). What's next the Camp Fire Club?

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What guys, what PMs. You talk in cryptic nonsense!

What's your name? Where do you work? You know my name, former department, and where I live now.

Who the hell are you. Talk about pussification, come out from behind keyboard. You're like a baby that doesn't want to give up the tit!!!!

99 out of 100 guys like you don't have the balls to talk like this in person. The 1 guy who does is hated by anyone who has to endure their presence on a regular basis.

Man up. Who the F are you!

Does anybody know how many of those Seagrave remounts have been done on a single axle. I know Pelham or Pelham Manor had what was supposed to be the first one is Darians the only other one that they've done so far?

What is even more entertaining is this banter you provide. Those I have spoken to in Millwood laughed when i mentioned your name. They also couldn't understand why you would refer to yourself as an ex-captain, another made up fantasy land title.

Ok folks… who other than me is going to call this guy out. Go to his profile, read the contributions he has made in previous threads. None of them are productive. The post quoted above is as fictitious as it gets.

It is BS because you never were deserving of the title, except the one you were given by a popularity election. And your lack of reading comprehension must make you fit right in down there.

I comprehend just fine. I'm curios, where is "down there"?

This discussion amuses me quite a bit. The more you type, the bigger prick you make your self out to be.

Where is the the department that is blessed to have you as an employee?

I didn't say anything about you bashing volunteers. Just wanted to see if your opinion was based on facts or BS. You answered my question by responding with more BS which is exactly what I knew you would do when I baited you with the question. You're predictable.

My title of Ex-Captain merely identifies who I am and my connection to the fire service in the NY metro area. Can't say that I see anything written there that implies that I deserve anything. I'll chock that up to another fact free BS post on your part.

What is a firefighter when you are employed as one? You complete a CPAT for one, you take a civil service exam. Unless of course you forgot the rural metro BS back in the 90's. When you die, your family gets paid. You have benefits that have been awarded. The list could go on and on. In NYS sitting in a firehouse for 11 bucks an hour and driving the rig because the dept can not get anyone to respond is not doing a damn thing for anyone but getting 500 gallons of water somewhere. How is that? Sorry to keep you waiting, but real firefighters work nights and weekends too!

FYI "real" firefighters never have to delineate themselves as such.

Nighty night!

So what is your definition of a firefighter?

Hello?