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I was actually going to say the same thing. If the ladder is going to be resting on the roof, it would appear the lights would be crushed. However, with that in mind, LED strip lights are fairly cheap to replace. I'm sure the truth about the products success will come out after its first fire application.

Nice system. WIll these project as much light as a traditional lighting system?
Potsdam FD's new Tower 5 has a strip of blue LED's running the entire length of the ladder. This helps us to better see while climbing up the ladder during heavy smoke condition and it also allows people from the ground to see the ladder through smoke, snow, dark skys etc. It also looks pretty cool!
Pictures of the lights on T5.

I was actually going to say the same thing. If the ladder is going to be resting on the roof, it would appear the lights would be crushed. However, with that in mind, LED strip lights are fairly cheap to replace. I'm sure the truth about the products success will come out after its first fire application.

Date: 12-9-2010
Time: 00:12
Location: 36 Manor House Lane Google Maps
Frequency: Dobbs Ferry FD Dispatch; 46.26; Fire Ground 2; Fire 14
Units Operating: Dobbs Ferry FD; Ardlsey F.A.S.T.; Irvington (1 Engine to stand-by in DFFD HQ); Hastings-on-Hudson FD; Battalion 12 & 11; C&O Zone 3; Con Ed Gas & Electric
Weather Conditions: Clear , 30 degrees.
Description Of Incident: Working house fire.
Reporters: PFDRes47cue
Writer: PFDRes47cue
LoHud Article
00:12 - Dobbs Ferry dispatched by Dobbs Ferry PD to above address. Caller states there are flames coming out of the fire place.
00:18 - Command (2029) to 60-Control, "We have a 10-75 here," requesting Ardsley F.A.S.T. and Con Ed Gas & Electric.
00:19 - Dobbs Ferry FD re-toned for working fire and Ardlsley F.A.S.T. requested to the scene.
00:20 - Battalion 12 toned out to landline 60-Control for response.
00:22 - Command (2092) requesting an addition truck and engine to the scene.
00:25 - Command (2092) reports fire is doubtful, fIre on the 2nd floor, truck company is opening up, primary search is negative, 2 L/S/O's. "K."
00:24 - Command (2092) requesting 1 Engine from Irvington to stand-by in Dobbs Ferry HQ
00:38 - Battalion 11 is responding to Dobbs Ferry.
00:40 - Command (2092) reports we are using all companies, operating at a 3-story attached townhouse, fire on the 2nd floor with extension to the 3rd floor and attic, fire remains doubtful, 2 l/S/O/'s. Primary and secondary searches came back negative.
00:55 - C&O Zone 3 toned out for response.
***PM with additional details.***

Date: 12-8-2010
Time: 22:52
Location: 411 Bedford Rd. Google Maps
Frequency: 46.26; Fire 16; Fire Ground 1
Units Operating: Bedford Hills FD; Battalion 16; KBHVAC; Mount Kisco (re-locate 1 Engine BHFD HQ); Bedford Hills PD; NYSEG
Weather Conditions: Clear, 22 degrees (weather.com)
Description Of Incident: Working chimney fire with extension to the house.
Reporters: PFDRes47cue; Halligan87
Writer: PFDRes47cue; Firefighter59
22:52 - Bedford Hills FD dispatched for a reported structure fire at 411 Bedford Rd.
22:54 - Bedford Hills PD advising that smoke is pushing from the back door.
22:54 - 60-Control dispatched F.A.S.T. (unknown which F.A.S.T.)
23:02 - Command (2031) reporting they are operating at a working chimney fire with extension to the 1st floor and possibly the 2nd floor. They are setting up the ladder and have 2 L/S/O.
23:08 - Command (2031) reports they are working at a two-story wood frame 50x75. No extension to the 3rd floor, checking the 1st and 2nd floors.
23:18 - Command (2031) reports negative extension to the 2nd floor. We have visible file on the exterior and the walls of the D-side of the building, we are extinguishing that now. We are checking the basement.
23:20 - Command (2031) requesting C&O to respond to the scene.
23:42 - Command (2031) reports all visible fire is K/D, in the process of overhauling, releasing the F.A.S.T. team.
23:49 - Command (2031) requesting 60-Control to contact a representative from the town building department.
23:51 - 60-Control advises car 2031 that the number they have for the building department does not work, Bedford Hills PD has been requested to contact building department.
23:57 - Bedford Hills PD notified by firefighter who is controlling traffic that he heard a "screech and crash" possibly on the Saw Mill River Parkway.
00:03 - Bedford Hills PD reports car into the guardrail on the ramp of the SMRP (unsure which ramp), visible skid marks, damage to the guardrail, and car parts but car is G.O.A.
00:12 - Command (2031) is releasing an Engine and the Rescue
00:23 - Command (2031) requesting NYSEG to the scene.
00:44 - Battalion 16 to 60-Control, "I'm back in service."
00:54 - Command (2031) advises, "All Bedford Hills units are in service returning, except for myself, I will be awaiting NYSEG."
**Job well done by 2031 for his detailed and frequent progress reports**

FIRST OFF: THIS IS NOT MEANT TO "BASH" ANY DEPARTMENTS! THIS IS JUST FUEL FOR THOUGHT/DISCUSSION.

I have been noticing myself getting quite frustrated lately while listening to different frequencies because I have noticed that a lot of the time (not all of the time), the first on scene Chief or Officer (paid or volunteer) does not give a scene size-up. Whether the call be for a residential alarm, reported smoke from the structure, possible fire of some sort, mva, rescue, etc scene size-ups can be very useful. It does not take more than a few seconds to tell dispatch or incoming units what you have been presented with and observed upon arrival. You can inform responders of building type (construction, stories, etc), exposure issues, visible smoke condition, etc. Giving responders the heads up can lead to a safer scene in general. It is always nice to not be caught of guard.
Now I know that at least on person will say, "You should know the building type or exposure issues for every house or building in your response area." All I can say is, chances are, there is not a single person who knows the construction type and exposures problems for every building in his or her district. Even if you do know everything about every building or house in your response area, I am sure that you would not object to a size-up or reminder. After all, even the best members, or the most senior members, or the members with the biggest ego's make mistakes and can confuse an address.
Just this weekend alone, I heard several departments get called to fires, mva's, or smoke from a structure call. I can count on three fingers how times the first on scene personnel gave a size-up that could be deemed useful by responding personal. I do not consider the common "On-scene, smoke showing, will be out investigating," a useful scene size-up. Especially if the dispatch information was for smoke from a structure. Wouldn't it be a good idea to let dispatch and incoming personnel know where the smoke is showing from (A, B, C, D sides, roof, basement, etc)?
As far as MVA's or PIAA's, scene size-ups can be VERY important. The first on-scene Chief or Officer can easily get on the radio and say, "On-scene...we have a 3 car mva w/ the occupants still inside of two vehicle, 3 walking wounded, one car overturned into ditch with all occupants out, there visible fire at this time. I will advise on extrication and additional equipment/manpower needs." This may not be a good scene size-up and may also be too wordy or lengthy. However, If I heard this while responding, I would know exactly the scene that I was responding to. Scene size-ups for MVA's and PIAA's can be given by either first on-scene FD or EMS personnel (or both). A secondary report could be given after contacting the patients that briefly describes the injuries. (Ie: "One female complaining of neck & back pain who is 9 months pregnant, two males with lacerations, one to the forehead and one to the abdomen, etc"
Has it been proven that size-ups are a waste of time or not useful?
Have first on-scene personnel become so busy that the 10 seconds needed for a "good" scene size-up no longer exist? Have new protocols been put into effect that keep these first on-scene personnel busy from the start?
Thank you to the Chief's and Officer's who consistently provide incoming personnel with detailed and useful scene size-ups!
Happy Monday!
FINALLY: This thread is not meant to bash any departments, it is simply a general observation and I feel is a thread worthy questions or topic of discussion.

FIRST OFF: THIS IS NOT MEANT TO "BASH" ANY DEPARTMENTS! THIS IS JUST FUEL FOR THOUGHT/DISCUSSION.

I have been noticing myself getting quite frustrated lately while listening to different frequencies because I have noticed that a lot of the time (not all of the time), the first on scene Chief or Officer (paid or volunteer) does not give a scene size-up. Whether the call be for a residential alarm, reported smoke from the structure, possible fire of some sort, mva, rescue, etc scene size-ups can be very useful. It does not take more than a few seconds to tell dispatch or incoming units what you have been presented with and observed upon arrival. You can inform responders of building type (construction, stories, etc), exposure issues, visible smoke condition, etc. Giving responders the heads up can lead to a safer scene in general. It is always nice to not be caught of guard.
Now I know that at least on person will say, "You should know the building type or exposure issues for every house or building in your response area." All I can say is, chances are, there is not a single person who knows the construction type and exposures problems for every building in his or her district. Even if you do know everything about every building or house in your response area, I am sure that you would not object to a size-up or reminder. After all, even the best members, or the most senior members, or the members with the biggest ego's make mistakes and can confuse an address.
Just this weekend alone, I heard several departments get called to fires, mva's, or smoke from a structure call. I can count on three fingers how times the first on scene personnel gave a size-up that could be deemed useful by responding personal. I do not consider the common "On-scene, smoke showing, will be out investigating," a useful scene size-up. Especially if the dispatch information was for smoke from a structure. Wouldn't it be a good idea to let dispatch and incoming personnel know where the smoke is showing from (A, B, C, D sides, roof, basement, etc)?
As far as MVA's or PIAA's, scene size-ups can be VERY important. The first on-scene Chief or Officer can easily get on the radio and say, "On-scene...we have a 3 car mva w/ the occupants still inside of two vehicle, 3 walking wounded, one car overturned into ditch with all occupants out, there visible fire at this time. I will advise on extrication and additional equipment/manpower needs." This may not be a good scene size-up and may also be too wordy or lengthy. However, If I heard this while responding, I would know exactly the scene that I was responding to. Scene size-ups for MVA's and PIAA's can be given by either first on-scene FD or EMS personnel (or both). A secondary report could be given after contacting the patients that briefly describes the injuries. (Ie: "One female complaining of neck & back pain who is 9 months pregnant, two males with lacerations, one to the forehead and one to the abdomen, etc"
Has it been proven that size-ups are a waste of time or not useful?
Have first on-scene personnel become so busy that the 10 seconds needed for a "good" scene size-up no longer exist? Have new protocols been put into effect that keep these first on-scene personnel busy from the start?
Thank you to the Chief's and Officer's who consistently provide incoming personnel with detailed and useful scene size-ups!
Happy Monday!
FINALLY: This thread is not meant to bash any departments, it is simply a general observation and I feel is a thread worthy questions or topic of discussion.

FIRST OFF: THIS IS NOT MEANT TO "BASH" ANY DEPARTMENTS! THIS IS JUST FUEL FOR THOUGHT/DISCUSSION.

I have been noticing myself getting quite frustrated lately while listening to different frequencies because I have noticed that a lot of the time (not all of the time), the first on scene Chief or Officer (paid or volunteer) does not give a scene size-up. Whether the call be for a residential alarm, reported smoke from the structure, possible fire of some sort, mva, rescue, etc scene size-ups can be very useful. It does not take more than a few seconds to tell dispatch or incoming units what you have been presented with and observed upon arrival. You can inform responders of building type (construction, stories, etc), exposure issues, visible smoke condition, etc. Giving responders the heads up can lead to a safer scene in general. It is always nice to not be caught of guard.
Now I know that at least on person will say, "You should know the building type or exposure issues for every house or building in your response area." All I can say is, chances are, there is not a single person who knows the construction type and exposures problems for every building in his or her district. Even if you do know everything about every building or house in your response area, I am sure that you would not object to a size-up or reminder. After all, even the best members, or the most senior members, or the members with the biggest ego's make mistakes and can confuse an address.
Just this weekend alone, I heard several departments get called to fires, mva's, or smoke from a structure call. I can count on three fingers how times the first on scene personnel gave a size-up that could be deemed useful by responding personal. I do not consider the common "On-scene, smoke showing, will be out investigating," a useful scene size-up. Especially if the dispatch information was for smoke from a structure. Wouldn't it be a good idea to let dispatch and incoming personnel know where the smoke is showing from (A, B, C, D sides, roof, basement, etc)?
As far as MVA's or PIAA's, scene size-ups can be VERY important. The first on-scene Chief or Officer can easily get on the radio and say, "On-scene...we have a 3 car mva w/ the occupants still inside of two vehicle, 3 walking wounded, one car overturned into ditch with all occupants out, there visible fire at this time. I will advise on extrication and additional equipment/manpower needs." This may not be a good scene size-up and may also be too wordy or lengthy. However, If I heard this while responding, I would know exactly the scene that I was responding to. Scene size-ups for MVA's and PIAA's can be given by either first on-scene FD or EMS personnel (or both). A secondary report could be given after contacting the patients that briefly describes the injuries. (Ie: "One female complaining of neck & back pain who is 9 months pregnant, two males with lacerations, one to the forehead and one to the abdomen, etc"
Has it been proven that size-ups are a waste of time or not useful?
Have first on-scene personnel become so busy that the 10 seconds needed for a "good" scene size-up no longer exist? Have new protocols been put into effect that keep these first on-scene personnel busy from the start?
Thank you to the Chief's and Officer's who consistently provide incoming personnel with detailed and useful scene size-ups!
Happy Monday!
FINALLY: This thread is not meant to bash any departments, it is simply a general observation and I feel is a thread worthy questions or topic of discussion.

Agreed!
Yes it is sad, we are not proactive but instead reactive and thats what hurts us as a whole.

Pleasantville VAC just placed a rehab unit in service. If no rehab unit is available, detail an extra BLS unit and if there is a ladies or other auxiliary unit available get them mobilized. The extra BLS unit can handle the health/medical aspect of rehab while the auxiliary can provide hydration, nourishment. Rehab or extra BLS unit should be detailed when the second alarm is struck. BLS transport for victims or FF's should be on the road as soon as a fire is confirmed if not before... either as part of the first alarm or as an automatic add-on prior to striking the second.
Unless specific alarm instructions, preplans, automatic mutual aid, or box cards have been given to 60 control.... All you're getting in Westchester, for MANY departments is a simple dispatch for a fire that includes the first due department ONLY. The responding department has to ASK 60control to add resources. I hear it all the time... "gimme an engine from Yorktown, and the FAST from Croton and the Truck from Ossining. Start me tankers from Somers, Croton, Millwood, and Yorktown...." Some departments have done some primitive apparatus preplanning but very few have gone to the extent of detailing out for 60 control exactly which units are due on specific incidents and at what alarm level. When I was an officer in Westchester, I knew (for the most part) each of the surrounding departments apparatus and which capabilities they had. I created a box card plan for 4 distinct zones in the district (boxes) and alarm assignments for fire, mva, hazmat, etc through the 4th alarm with specific apparatus requests (ie; on the second alarm I want E146 from Chappaqua b/c its an LDH rig instead of E145 which had the 3in hose reel)...... It was completely disregarded by an old chief who didn't know which end of the hose water came out of and whom the other officers were too afraid to stand up to.
EMS needs to be included into such preplanning so that when an officer rolls up to a job and tells 60 control to strike the second, he/she doesn't need to waste valuable time thinking about who's ego he's going to stroke today with a M/A call.... Probably forgetting to ask for EMS coverage while he's at it.

Several people have approached me asking why departments wait so long or fail to request EMS to a fire scene with transport buses and a rehab unit. I am not saying this because I am part of an EMS agency that often supplies a transport buses and/or a rehab unit, but rather because I feel that having transport buses and a rehab unit can be very important at a fire scene and can SAVE LIVES! It seems to me and to the people that have approached me about this topic, that departments frequently wait a rather long time into an incident to to call for EMS (transport buses or rehab units). I do not know why more towns do not have these units listed on the initial dispatch for confirmed, reported, or possible structure fires. Doing so would give the Chief's one less thing to focus on. If the Chief finds out it is a false alarm or there really is no need for EMS or rehab, it is very easy to put the units back in service or cancel their response. To me this seems like a very easy thing to do that can have many advantages and can greatly add to the safety of FD members.
Even small fires, should have transport buses and a rehab crew. You never know when someone is going to go down, be involved in a collapse, slip on ice, trip over a hose line, etc. Especially with fire volume being down in comparison to past years (general statement), you just never know what will happen at a scene. People are getting more and more exited when they hear the tones drop for a "FIRE!!!!!" Due to this, you just never know if someone will have a cardiac issue. More commonly, heat or exhaustion issues can happen at any scene. During colder months, cold related issues can happen when firefighters are standing around dripping wet. Having EMS and a rehab unit responding automatically or early on can be a great asset if unfortunately something does go wrong.
As far as rehab units, perhaps Chiefs are calling so late in the fire incident because they do not quite understand the concept of a rehab crew and what has to be done in terms of setting up at the scene. FYI, it is not as easy as stepping out of a truck and does require some set-up time. So if you are going to need a rehab crew, call for one early on so it can be as effective as possible.
If anyone has any insight to this, any input is greatly appreciated.
Happy Holidays!

I remember seeing this in a previous thread. The article mention at the time was about it being bought and the owners ideas for rebuilding it. It is nice to see the finished product. However no in my taste either. The pole is nice though. If only it were in the basement and with a lazy boy recliner near it... (No disrespect intended)

Date: 12-5-2010
Time: 14:15
Location: County Rt. 6
Frequency: St. Lawrence County Central Dispatch
Units Operating: Ogdensburg Rescue Squad, Huevelton FD; Huevelton First Responders; NY State Police
Weather Conditions: Cold & Snowing
Description Of Incident: Hunting accident with gun shot victim.
Reporters/Writer: PFDRes47cue
Caller reports he was involved in a hunting accident and was shot in the back. Patient was attempting to remove himself from the woods while on the phone with SLC Central Dispatch.
14:17 - Emergency responder requests that SLC Central Dispatch notifies the hospital.
14:19 - SLC Central Dispatch updates responders that the caller reports there is an entrance wound but no exit wound and is concerned about injuries to his lungs.

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Half A Luftley Eve Douche Neeng.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/address_mess_VtLGrLpuCbrgl2TmRVAwsM
Interestingly enough, a similar incident here in Westchester a couple years back for anyone who remembers it. A structure fire in Buchanan on Albany Post Road. At the time, Croton, Montrose, Buchanan, Peekskill, and Garrison, all had similar numbers along their respective stretches of Albany Post Road, and the FD was initially dispatched to the wrong one.

"Mama Boucher: [to Bobby] You don't have what they call the social skills. That's why you never have any friends, 'cept fo' yo' mama."
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Coach Klein: [it's half-time at the Bourbon Bowl and they're in the locker room] Anybody got an idea?
[silence]
Derek Wallace: Hey, remember the time Bobby tackled the referee by mistake?
[Everybody chuckles]
Lyle Robideaux: Yeah, that was pretty funny. How 'bout the time Bobby tackled the guy from Louisville, and threw him into the stands?
[Everybody laughs]
Guy Grenouille: Y'all remember the time he intercepted the ball and his pants fell off, and he ran for the touchdown bare a**?
[Everybody laughs]
Farmer Fran: Remember the time Bobby Boucher...
[begins to mumble in his southern drawl, and everybody stares at him]
Bobby Boucher: [bobby shows up in the locker room by surprise] Remember the time Bobby Boucher showed up at halftime and the Mud Dogs won the Bourbon Bowl do ya?
[Everybody starts cheering and shouting]
"

I can understand Florida having a law for that, the state is full of older gentleman who's own set hang that low to start with. Why would they want to see it in public. LoL

Found this article on the site EnglishRussia.com (a blog containing articles and pictures of varying topics from Russia). They did a piece about a rural Russian Firehouse. I thought it'd be interesting for everyone to see:
http://englishrussia.com/index.php/2010/11/06/ordinary-russian-village-fire-station/#more-22740

After giving it some thought, I realized that I can no longer devote the time neccessary to be a member of the moderator staff on the website. I ran this by Seth and we decided this conclusively. I still plan on visiting the forum regularly and posting info as it comes up.
Thanks to all for lettng me help with the site for the last several years.
Joe Coppola

Tonight I actually did "experiment" with 2 cans of Four Loko, 1 grape and 1 friut punch. I can absolutely see how dangerous this crap is. If you can get over the taste after a couple cans your are pretty buzzed. I'm surprised I can still type...I see why they are pushing to ban this stuff. BUT you can ban this and something else will come along. I strongly believe the focus should be on enforcement of the laws and preventing the sales from minors. If your 21 and still want to act like a jerk after drinking the stuff then you are just immature and don't know when to say STOP!
Enough with my drunken rant, party on!

Does anyone know of any departments that have outwards facing cameras in or on the fronts of their apparatus? I know most law enforcement vehicles have this to have video surveillance at traffic stops, etc. It seems to me like this would not be a bad idea for fire trucks. These cameras could record video while responding to calls and in the event of an accident, could provide valuable information for the court. I know that a lot of intersections have cameras at them but they do not often give a good angle and often times do not allow you to see the color os the traffic lights. They also often times are not in working order. In cab cameras on fire trucks or ambulances would give show the color of the lights, what is happening at intersections and show exactly what the driver/crew is seeing.
I am just curious as to why the FD's and EMS agencies have not adapted this from LE agencies. Thanks in advance for any insight...

After 9/11, security personnel were removed from fire brigade service. The reasoning was that a fire could be a diversionary tactic. When this transformer blew, it activated a deluge sprinkler system, and a fire alarm. IP has different alarms, which are heard throughout the site.
The next thing that occurs is the Control Room will announce what is happening and where, and the brigade; consisting of other personnel other than security will go to one of the two or three designated assembly points, where their turnout gear is stored.
They have various sizes of gear, so whoever is designated to respond can grab a generic set.
The first part of the brigade will usually be 6-7 members. They can be engineers, chemists, anything except security. They can muster 14-15 brigade members at a time.
Throughout IP there are hose stations with preconnected lines. The brigade will respond to the site of the emergency, and they have push-carts that contain various firefighting tools, extra hose, nozzles, etc.
The sprinkler system is well designed, and has very high volume. You can imagine this would handle most fire incidents at the site. The brigade will perform whatever they need to do. If the incident requires outside assistance, the responding departments would be utilized.

I do not see a problem with this as long as the video is not showing any out of control responses or responses that are over the top. It is important to remember that anyone can see these videos and they can often fall into the hands of the wrong people. The same goes for posting pictures of suspicious fires. If a department wants to post videos of "proper" responses to incidents then I do not see much of a problem. However, I have watched a lot of response videos that are not utilizing a "proper" response. I know we have all seen them...the fire truck that goes onto two wheels when it approaches the scene of a house fire with no entrapment, or the very popular response of the second due engine that is on the wrong side of the road and median going head on with every car. These put the departments at risk for legal action. As long as the departments are smart about the videos they post, I feel they can be a useful tool for viewers.
On another note, I feel there are way to many POV response videos up. These often show FF's responding erratically in their POV vehicle to either the scene or the firehouse. I do not feel that FF's or EMT's for that matter should be posting videos of them responding dangerously to calls. Departments should have rules against this. Some of these videos make me wonder how we get defensive when the citizens call the station and complain about FF's or EMT's responding to calls. It is not worth risking life and injury for a residential or commercial alarm...I know every-once in a while one of these is an actually fire but wait until your updated to put a rush on your response. The same goes for minor MVA's where you are called for traffic control or a small fluid spill...these are not emergencies and do not require risking lives to get to the incident.
The real issue is fire departments and personnel posting videos or pictures that show the victims or patients, dead or alive. This is not right and is disrespectful to the parties involved and their families. I don't think anyone would want there dead family members becoming part of an on-scene photo shoot. But that is a topic for another time and another thread...

The only problem I have with this is that lethal injection is way too nice. Tie him to a bedpost, beat him,then douse him with gasoline - and let Mr. Petit light the match!

I've seen a the first episodes...in my opinion it is quite good. Those guys are faced with a very large task of keeping the roads cleared of snow and cleared of people when there is an avalanche threat. I recommend checking the show out.