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Are you sure it's not the other way around.  Paid supplemented by volunteers?  Are those two paid firefighters in house waiting for volunteers that may or may not show up before they respond?  
 
I don't know enough about their SOP's but most paid departments supplemented by volunteers are expecting those volunteers to either pull shifts in station, respond to the scene or to the station to bring additional apparatus to supplement the first out apparatus manned by the paid personnel.
 
My earlier post was essentially to say if Greenwich can't or won't afford to put three firefighters on an apparatus, who can?

Are you sure it's not the other way around.  Paid supplemented by volunteers?  Are those two paid firefighters in house waiting for volunteers that may or may not show up before they respond?  
 
I don't know enough about their SOP's but most paid departments supplemented by volunteers are expecting those volunteers to either pull shifts in station, respond to the scene or to the station to bring additional apparatus to supplement the first out apparatus manned by the paid personnel.
 
My earlier post was essentially to say if Greenwich can't or won't afford to put three firefighters on an apparatus, who can?

Are you sure it's not the other way around.  Paid supplemented by volunteers?  Are those two paid firefighters in house waiting for volunteers that may or may not show up before they respond?  
 
I don't know enough about their SOP's but most paid departments supplemented by volunteers are expecting those volunteers to either pull shifts in station, respond to the scene or to the station to bring additional apparatus to supplement the first out apparatus manned by the paid personnel.
 
My earlier post was essentially to say if Greenwich can't or won't afford to put three firefighters on an apparatus, who can?

Are you sure it's not the other way around.  Paid supplemented by volunteers?  Are those two paid firefighters in house waiting for volunteers that may or may not show up before they respond?  
 
I don't know enough about their SOP's but most paid departments supplemented by volunteers are expecting those volunteers to either pull shifts in station, respond to the scene or to the station to bring additional apparatus to supplement the first out apparatus manned by the paid personnel.
 
My earlier post was essentially to say if Greenwich can't or won't afford to put three firefighters on an apparatus, who can?

How do you conduct a primary search with a two person engine? When the homeowner comes running out of the smoke filled house screaming the children are inside, what do you say?  They'll be another truck along in a few minutes!!
 
Where does the money go?  
 

How do you conduct a primary search with a two person engine? When the homeowner comes running out of the smoke filled house screaming the children are inside, what do you say?  They'll be another truck along in a few minutes!!
 
Where does the money go?  
 

I'll take the Chief at his word.  Politics, meaning Politicians, are ruining this country at every level.  Even a little 800 person town in OK.

How do you conduct a primary search with a two person engine? When the homeowner comes running out of the smoke filled house screaming the children are inside, what do you say?  They'll be another truck along in a few minutes!!
 
Where does the money go?  
 

How do you conduct a primary search with a two person engine? When the homeowner comes running out of the smoke filled house screaming the children are inside, what do you say?  They'll be another truck along in a few minutes!!
 
Where does the money go?  
 

I'll take the Chief at his word.  Politics, meaning Politicians, are ruining this country at every level.  Even a little 800 person town in OK.

All you have to do is look within your own departments and see that the number of active members, and I mean real actual active members, is not as many as a couple of years ago, less than a few years ago, even less than a decade ago.  For all the reasons that have been identified within these forums the ranks of volunteers is dwindling.  Certainly the way departments are dispatched affects this.  
 
How many times can you drop what you are doing to respond to an automatic alarm that turns out to be caused by steam from a shower or dust from construction workers? Or to be cancelled before you even get off the ramp?
 
And, everything now requires an ambulance.  The public has been over educated to dial 9-1-1 for even the most minor maladies.  It seems nobody gets to the hospital under their own steam these days. 
 
Eventually it will have to become all paid.  Since I left Westchester I have lived in three Southern counties that provided paid fire/EMS-Paramedic services.  Palm Beach County has some pretty pricey areas like Westchester but the other two were/are not nearly as wealthy as Westchester.  If they all can provide paid fire/EMS to their citizens, so can Westchester.  
 
And for those who keep bringing up that laws and fire districts and all that prevent changes, well, change the laws for the benefit of the people.  That's what legislatures and legislators are for.
 
 

All you have to do is look within your own departments and see that the number of active members, and I mean real actual active members, is not as many as a couple of years ago, less than a few years ago, even less than a decade ago.  For all the reasons that have been identified within these forums the ranks of volunteers is dwindling.  Certainly the way departments are dispatched affects this.  
 
How many times can you drop what you are doing to respond to an automatic alarm that turns out to be caused by steam from a shower or dust from construction workers? Or to be cancelled before you even get off the ramp?
 
And, everything now requires an ambulance.  The public has been over educated to dial 9-1-1 for even the most minor maladies.  It seems nobody gets to the hospital under their own steam these days. 
 
Eventually it will have to become all paid.  Since I left Westchester I have lived in three Southern counties that provided paid fire/EMS-Paramedic services.  Palm Beach County has some pretty pricey areas like Westchester but the other two were/are not nearly as wealthy as Westchester.  If they all can provide paid fire/EMS to their citizens, so can Westchester.  
 
And for those who keep bringing up that laws and fire districts and all that prevent changes, well, change the laws for the benefit of the people.  That's what legislatures and legislators are for.
 
 

The video and the still shots don't really give enough information regarding the placement of the truck in relation to the active fire.  Generally speaking I was taught never to take my apparatus off hard
pavement (specialized vehicles notwithstanding).  
 
Although they have their outriggers extended, they do not appear to be on anything other than the grass surface.  If they were extending the bucket any further than what appears in the still photo they
could be risking the stability of their working platform. Did they really need a bucket to effect these evacuations or could ground ladders not have accomplished the same in maybe shorter time.
 
As always, its a judgement call made in a matter of seconds.  Since rescues were accomplished and the apparatus was not damaged, its a win, this time.
 
I remember a grass fire I responded to.  Kept my CF Mack on the hard road. Our new mini-pumper came in, left the road to cross the field and promptly sank up to its axles.  You take your chances when you leave the road.
 
 

Down here in the South they enforce move over with gusto.

The video and the still shots don't really give enough information regarding the placement of the truck in relation to the active fire.  Generally speaking I was taught never to take my apparatus off hard
pavement (specialized vehicles notwithstanding).  
 
Although they have their outriggers extended, they do not appear to be on anything other than the grass surface.  If they were extending the bucket any further than what appears in the still photo they
could be risking the stability of their working platform. Did they really need a bucket to effect these evacuations or could ground ladders not have accomplished the same in maybe shorter time.
 
As always, its a judgement call made in a matter of seconds.  Since rescues were accomplished and the apparatus was not damaged, its a win, this time.
 
I remember a grass fire I responded to.  Kept my CF Mack on the hard road. Our new mini-pumper came in, left the road to cross the field and promptly sank up to its axles.  You take your chances when you leave the road.
 
 

The video and the still shots don't really give enough information regarding the placement of the truck in relation to the active fire.  Generally speaking I was taught never to take my apparatus off hard
pavement (specialized vehicles notwithstanding).  
 
Although they have their outriggers extended, they do not appear to be on anything other than the grass surface.  If they were extending the bucket any further than what appears in the still photo they
could be risking the stability of their working platform. Did they really need a bucket to effect these evacuations or could ground ladders not have accomplished the same in maybe shorter time.
 
As always, its a judgement call made in a matter of seconds.  Since rescues were accomplished and the apparatus was not damaged, its a win, this time.
 
I remember a grass fire I responded to.  Kept my CF Mack on the hard road. Our new mini-pumper came in, left the road to cross the field and promptly sank up to its axles.  You take your chances when you leave the road.
 
 

The video and the still shots don't really give enough information regarding the placement of the truck in relation to the active fire.  Generally speaking I was taught never to take my apparatus off hard
pavement (specialized vehicles notwithstanding).  
 
Although they have their outriggers extended, they do not appear to be on anything other than the grass surface.  If they were extending the bucket any further than what appears in the still photo they
could be risking the stability of their working platform. Did they really need a bucket to effect these evacuations or could ground ladders not have accomplished the same in maybe shorter time.
 
As always, its a judgement call made in a matter of seconds.  Since rescues were accomplished and the apparatus was not damaged, its a win, this time.
 
I remember a grass fire I responded to.  Kept my CF Mack on the hard road. Our new mini-pumper came in, left the road to cross the field and promptly sank up to its axles.  You take your chances when you leave the road.
 
 

I struck up a conversation with the pilot of my last flight.  He was ex-military and I assumed so many other pilots were also ex-military.  He told me that while that may have been the case years ago, that only about 8% of the pilots hired today are ex-military.  I had always gotten a certain level of confidence in flying thinking that the pilots had military experience.  

Isn't this just a clarification that the particular officer is responding on a specific piece of apparatus and not independently in a Dept. issued officers vehicle or POV?

Isn't this just a clarification that the particular officer is responding on a specific piece of apparatus and not independently in a Dept. issued officers vehicle or POV?

I worked with an insurance adjuster who worked the site.  His photos were amazing. I don't think most people were aware of the massive extent of the damage that the buildings sustained.  

 
Briarcliff is getting its paid EMT from OVAC.

Good thread Seth, Paratrooper jumped and forgot to pull his ripcord.

Good thread Seth, Paratrooper jumped and forgot to pull his ripcord.

Good thread Seth, Paratrooper jumped and forgot to pull his ripcord.