somebuffyguy

I really don't agree with saying conducting a size up and setting up command is "doing nothing". If he made visual contact with a victim at a window and could've gotten them out then by all means go ahead and do it. It makes no sense however to say a Chief should go into a building by himself on a report of someone inside. If he gets himself killed because he went in without any backup, what does that accomplish ? Considering Hartsdale is only 4.5 square miles and has two stations, I highly doubt it took very long for their initial crews to get on scene. Either way, they made the save so I'm not going to knock how they did it.

I really don't agree with saying conducting a size up and setting up command is "doing nothing". If he made visual contact with a victim at a window and could've gotten them out then by all means go ahead and do it. It makes no sense however to say a Chief should go into a building by himself on a report of someone inside. If he gets himself killed because he went in without any backup, what does that accomplish ? Considering Hartsdale is only 4.5 square miles and has two stations, I highly doubt it took very long for their initial crews to get on scene. Either way, they made the save so I'm not going to knock how they did it.

Well, the original Westport thread was started by a Chief at Westport, so I'd try there
http://www.emtbravo.net/index.php/topic/50433-westport-ct-fire-entry-level-exam/

Agreed to everything 16fire5 says. One line that particularly bothered me was "Leaders lead from the front, and cowards lead from behind their men". Your job as an officer isn't to be upfront doing the work, its to make sure your firefighters do their work safely and properly. Would Eisenhower have been a more effective leader if he was the first to step foot on Normandy? I get pretty annoyed with this whole "coward" idea as well. Personally, until I'm shown otherwise, anyone who's in this field is not a coward. This whole macho way of thinking doesn't help anybody. "Oh its getting pretty hot in here, I'm running out of air and this fire isn't going out. Better not get out of here or I'd be a coward". Here's a crazy idea, instead of everyone going " to the front" how about just do YOUR job. If you're the engine company boss, do your job and supervise your crew on the line, don't "lead from the front" and take the nozzle from a kid who could use the experience. I'd much rather my IC was "leading from behind" and actually had a scope of the incident so he could look out for everyone's safety.

Agreed to everything 16fire5 says. One line that particularly bothered me was "Leaders lead from the front, and cowards lead from behind their men". Your job as an officer isn't to be upfront doing the work, its to make sure your firefighters do their work safely and properly. Would Eisenhower have been a more effective leader if he was the first to step foot on Normandy? I get pretty annoyed with this whole "coward" idea as well. Personally, until I'm shown otherwise, anyone who's in this field is not a coward. This whole macho way of thinking doesn't help anybody. "Oh its getting pretty hot in here, I'm running out of air and this fire isn't going out. Better not get out of here or I'd be a coward". Here's a crazy idea, instead of everyone going " to the front" how about just do YOUR job. If you're the engine company boss, do your job and supervise your crew on the line, don't "lead from the front" and take the nozzle from a kid who could use the experience. I'd much rather my IC was "leading from behind" and actually had a scope of the incident so he could look out for everyone's safety.

Agreed to everything 16fire5 says. One line that particularly bothered me was "Leaders lead from the front, and cowards lead from behind their men". Your job as an officer isn't to be upfront doing the work, its to make sure your firefighters do their work safely and properly. Would Eisenhower have been a more effective leader if he was the first to step foot on Normandy? I get pretty annoyed with this whole "coward" idea as well. Personally, until I'm shown otherwise, anyone who's in this field is not a coward. This whole macho way of thinking doesn't help anybody. "Oh its getting pretty hot in here, I'm running out of air and this fire isn't going out. Better not get out of here or I'd be a coward". Here's a crazy idea, instead of everyone going " to the front" how about just do YOUR job. If you're the engine company boss, do your job and supervise your crew on the line, don't "lead from the front" and take the nozzle from a kid who could use the experience. I'd much rather my IC was "leading from behind" and actually had a scope of the incident so he could look out for everyone's safety.

Agreed to everything 16fire5 says. One line that particularly bothered me was "Leaders lead from the front, and cowards lead from behind their men". Your job as an officer isn't to be upfront doing the work, its to make sure your firefighters do their work safely and properly. Would Eisenhower have been a more effective leader if he was the first to step foot on Normandy? I get pretty annoyed with this whole "coward" idea as well. Personally, until I'm shown otherwise, anyone who's in this field is not a coward. This whole macho way of thinking doesn't help anybody. "Oh its getting pretty hot in here, I'm running out of air and this fire isn't going out. Better not get out of here or I'd be a coward". Here's a crazy idea, instead of everyone going " to the front" how about just do YOUR job. If you're the engine company boss, do your job and supervise your crew on the line, don't "lead from the front" and take the nozzle from a kid who could use the experience. I'd much rather my IC was "leading from behind" and actually had a scope of the incident so he could look out for everyone's safety.

That is true, but 18 year olds in the military have to finish high school before they can serve. Also being in the military is a career, volunteer FD is not. While they are making a great sacrifice, it also helps them put their lives in order. Trying to balance finishing high school with a VFD can be very distracting, and I don't see how anyone these days cannot agree education should come first. I can't speak for all volunteer departments, but I'd have to say from what I've seen more departments suffer from their older members saying "well I have work in the morning, can't go." rather than their high schoolers not showing up.

That is true, but 18 year olds in the military have to finish high school before they can serve. Also being in the military is a career, volunteer FD is not. While they are making a great sacrifice, it also helps them put their lives in order. Trying to balance finishing high school with a VFD can be very distracting, and I don't see how anyone these days cannot agree education should come first. I can't speak for all volunteer departments, but I'd have to say from what I've seen more departments suffer from their older members saying "well I have work in the morning, can't go." rather than their high schoolers not showing up.

That is true, but 18 year olds in the military have to finish high school before they can serve. Also being in the military is a career, volunteer FD is not. While they are making a great sacrifice, it also helps them put their lives in order. Trying to balance finishing high school with a VFD can be very distracting, and I don't see how anyone these days cannot agree education should come first. I can't speak for all volunteer departments, but I'd have to say from what I've seen more departments suffer from their older members saying "well I have work in the morning, can't go." rather than their high schoolers not showing up.

Not to be a downer, but this helmet's got 2 years left correct ?

Date: 4/11/14
Time: 01:06
Incident Type: Structure Fire
Location: 91 Bedford Road ( Whispering Pines Flower Shop)
District: Chappaqua

Description: Fire in all floors of 2 1/2 story flower shop. Two lines stretch inside, later switched to exterior ops.
01:06- Report of large fire in rear of structure
01:10- 2062 on location requesting 10-75
01:16- 2062 requests 1 ladder from Mt.Kisco FD
01:19- 2065 Requesting C&O to scene
01:21- Con Edison Gas/Electric requested
01:22- 2 L/S/O per Bat. 16
01:34- Bat. 16 requesting Red Cross
01:35- All members pulled from building, beginning exterior operations
01:43- Millwood engine on standby requested to scene
01:44- Bedford Hills FD requested to standby in Chappaqua HQ
01:55- 1 ladder pipe, multiple exterior handlines in use, opening up from exterior
02:02- Building department notified by PD
02:17- 3 exterior lines in operation, 2nd truck company working
02:18- Per Bat.16 "Fire still remains doubtful"
03:42- Fire darkening down
05:18- Per 2061 situation under control
10:04- All units back in service
Units:
Chappaqua: 2061,2062,2063,2065,TL-27, E144, R23
Mount Kisco: 2284,TL-14, E105, U13
Millwood: 2252,E247,
Pleasantville: 2371,2373,E260
WCDES: Bat. 16, Cause and Origin Zone 5
Pleasantville PD
Chappaqua Vac: 54B1,54B2
WEMS: 45M1
Standby Units :
Bedford Hills FD
*Thanks to ac316su for sending me corrections.

Just the thought of packing all that. Nope, nope, nope

Just the thought of packing all that. Nope, nope, nope

It's usually against forum policy to discuss of duty incidents. However, I'm using my discretion on this one, based on the severity.

How could Mount Vernon FD hire or retain this firefighter with such an extensive criminal history? This seems to happen in MVFD over and over and over again.
Select quotes from the article:
Full article: http://www.lohud.com/story/news/2014/03/13/mt-vernon-firefighter-wife-charged-assault-pregnant-woman/6372547/


At what point is it "Conduct Unbecoming"? Does MVFD monitor it's firefighters for involvement in criminal history, and does it have policies set?

You people want a swim test as part of the process ? How about requiring a high school diploma first ?

Thanks for the correction, ABC also has edited their story to remove any mention of an empty tanker.

http://cmvny.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/2013-Firefighter-Exam.pdf
Anyone know if this is worth it for non-residents ?

In this day and age I wish it said "veterans are encouraged to apply"

Great post cap. This was the best response here hands down and I agree with you. I would love to see the day we all move forward and help each other instead of this crap back and forth all the time and never getting anywhere.
Its sad to admit but our leadership in my area is not the best (dept chiefs and line officers, the county coordinators are all great). Our "voting" for officers is more of a popularity contest then placing the right candidate in the position for reasons of training and experience, and its sad. Thats why a lot of departments fail though, the leadership is not what its supposed to be. I see it often, you ahve a group of well trained volunteers that show up and do what they can, but because the "leader" has no proper experience they end up looking bad. Who gets the blame? The department as a whole when it should be the leader.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/163557699/Police-Officer-Eligible-List-8-13
Here's the eligibility list for anyone interested.