Bottom of Da Hill

There are several departments in Westchester that operate single axle Quints.

North White Plains Ladder 47, Greenville Ladder 4, Croton Falls Ladder 68 (Former Ardsley Quint 1/Ladder 50), Chappaqua FD Tower Ladder 27, Hawthorne FD Ladder 56, Katonah FD Ladder 39, Millwood FD Ladder 52, Lake Mohegan FD Ladder 10, Rye Brook Ladder 30, and Somers FD Ladder 48 are the departments in Westchester that operate single axle quints.

New Rochelle FD Ladder 12 also used to be a single axle quint, and is now in service with the WCDES Fire Training Center. Mamaroneck FD Ladder 19 also has a single rear axle, but is not a quint, as is Mount Vernon Ladder 2, Rye FD Ladder 25 and Ladder 26 and Scarsdale FD Tower Ladder 29. Pelham Manor Tower Ladder 3 also has a single rear axle Aerialscope.

Elmsford?Quint single axle

Well, the new Commissioner will be more in touch with the guys....he's got 12 years on the job and went straight from Firefighterto Commissioner.

its nothing more then a political joke! doesn't help the FF'S. he sounds like a 5th grader. yonkers did the same with pagano years back. i feel sorry for the guys in mt vernon.

http://westchester.news12.com/news/firefighters-union-head-resigns-amid-charges-1.11315179

they made richardson the commissioner?thats politics for you.

Most of the membership and officers were at Pleasantville's installation dinner during this call.

what about the other nights and day calls? this is a on going thing in sleepyhollow stop the excuses .

Yes, he Should.

umm....Sentence fragments?

Just because the largest and most professional FD in the world does or doesn't do something doesn't mean that we all should follow suit. It's always dangerous on the fire scene, especially with all of the plastics and other crap that is burning. Remember the picture of FDNY putting out a garbage truck fire with no SCBA on? There's crap in there I don't want to smell when it's NOT on fire! If there's smoke, put on your SCBA!! If there's any chance at CO poisoning, put on your SCBA!! If there's any chance that you're going to inhale something you shouldn't, put on your SCBA!!

i agree put your SCBA on all the time its all about being safe but maybe he had to do some thing fast or check on some thing? but a stupid remark about he wants CANCER? REALLY that doesn't belong on this site.

he should have a pack on.but you dont why he is doing what he is doing.i see this in nyc all the time so relax NO ONE WANTS CANCER VERY POOR STATEMENT for a trainer like your self to say.

This is all the time. It's a shame the people of Sleepy Hollow do not get the care that they should get. Tarrytown VAC is up there all the time. They should get shut down at best.Peoples lives our on the line.

What I find weird is that the NYS*DOT plows that have wings require a second person to spot and operate the wings, and I think these should have a "wingman" for operating and spotting the tow plow.

NYSDOT do not use a wing man its a driver only.

Not as well thought out. Actually, to me it looks like the only purpose of these trucks, was a way of spending money.

NYSDOT runs the same trucks but in yellow.

I think your comments are very ignorant and you being an IC yourself should keep to the facts on an incident and if you have any questions or concerns voice them in a professional manor. Monday morning quarterbacks are great. You should be ashamed of yourself, if you think you can come and do our job take the test and get on the list.

not saying any thing abt being on the job.but what makes you think i am not?

Well all the departments you listed including Ossining are a 12-15 minute drive to Valhalla's station. It's not about speed and who is closest for relocations, it's how to balance all of the resources in the county. A relocation is not an emergency per se. It is better to skip over several departments so that wide gaps in coverage aren't created in the process. Hawthorne, Valhalla, North White Plains, Elmsford, Thornwood, and Briarcliff had units committed to this job during rush hour. Leaving TFD, SHFD, PHFD, WHFD, AFD, untouched meant that whichever company relocated to VFD would have had a full complement of second due departments nearby available to respond to another major incident.

West Harrison (3.5 Miles) , and Armonk (6.2 Miles) and White Plains (3.5 Miles) Ossining (10.4 Miles) Tarrytown (5.3 Miles) Sleepy Hollow (6.1 Miles) Purchase (5.4 Miles) Port Chester (9.9 miles)

there you go guys black and white.i believe port chester and tarrytown have the same complement of rigs 2 ladders 4 or 5 engines a rescue and all under 10.4 miles away so say what you want the truthe is the truthe.if your a dispatcher and you send your own dept witch is 10.4 miles away to relocate?

Bottom of Da Hill, on 03 Feb 2015 - 11:28 PM, said:

why stand by fd units from ossining isnt that a little far away?maybe armonk or west harrison white plains ?

Bottom of Da Hill, on 04 Feb 2015 - 01:47 AM, said:

or maybe just maybe the dispatcher is a member of said FD? thats what it is?you have fairview hartsdale sleepyhollow tarrytown just a few miles away.favoritism with few dispatchers i noticed.

Bottom of Da Hill, on 04 Feb 2015 - 02:06 AM, said:

i know all about mutual aid very well and i agree with you to a point.but there is favoritism.

Bottom of Da Hill, on 04 Feb 2015 - 03:16 AM, said:

the grand scheme should get what you need there sooner then later kinda like a fast team? thats my experience tells me its not a parade.get what you need ASAP.i dont think the dispatchers should have that kind of power to show favoritism to the dept they belong to.

Well all the departments you listed including Ossining are a 12-15 minute drive to Valhalla's station. It's not about speed and who is closest for relocations, it's how to balance all of the resources in the county. A relocation is not an emergency per se. It is better to skip over several departments so that wide gaps in coverage aren't created in the process. Hawthorne, Valhalla, North White Plains, Elmsford, Thornwood, and Briarcliff had units committed to this job during rush hour. Leaving TFD, SHFD, PHFD, WHFD, AFD, untouched meant that whichever company relocated to VFD would have had a full complement of second due departments nearby available to respond to another major incident.

You're hung up on Ossining but the fact of the matter is that they've got a half dozen engines two trucks rescue and support equipment plus a lot of manpower. I'd like you to name a major job North of White Plains from the past 20 years that they haven't been on or relocated for. An 3 man engine or 1 man truck from Hartsdale on a relocate... That's just silly. If I was Greenville, Hartsdale, or Fairview I'd decline the request for a relocate knowing that if have to call back manpower to cover my first due.

The box was filled appropriately and just because a few Ossining members work for or have previously worked for 60 control does not indicate favoritism. If it's big and in northern Westchester you can be sure Ossining, Bedford Hills, and/or Yorktown are going to be part of the job.

other depts also have a half of dozen engines and 2 trucks a rescue with suport equipment lots and lots of man power and tech training also.so why have a cad system? im not talking bad abt ossining at all but how bad the call was you would want sopport there ASAP.but i gues ossining is the answer to all in your mind. you ben in florida to long west has grown with training .but its ok that you dispatch your own dept to relocate 10.4 miles away?im glad my loved ones wernt on that train.greenville has a trained tech rescue team.you have no clue florida.

Stop harping on your "favoritism" claims already. No one agrees with you. Your post is one of the most ignorant posts I've ever seen. You have no idea what you are talking about and nothing to back it up. My guess is you just have an unrelated bone to pick and this is a perfect opportunity for you. Wrong situation to do that.

you may not agree with me and i dont care its my thoughts and i posted them you sound a little upset take a break.it is favoritism at best i hear alot of jobs getting dispatched in the county its out there just a matter of time when the bosses pick up on it.

What proof do you have to support this statement?

the radio and dispatch# thats all.

On a 10-75, which this was not West Harrison TL-9 would hae gone to Vahalla, we are there backup ladder.

well if your on there run card for back up then you should have ben dispatched to stand by at VFD.

No different then Greenville/Fairview/White Plains going to MT.Vernon on m/a when Yonkers and New Rochelle are right next door. Yes, personalities do come into play and whose family member or friends are working that tour. Call the closest and not the furthest. No rational in the other way of thinking. Let's put the safety of our Brother FFs and the Civilians first and not one's ego/feelings. Time to stop wanting to play in each others sandbox! Want to work in a busy Dept. then transfer for Christ sake! M/A should also be at the hosting Dept's IC request, and not at 60 Control's discretion. Who the hell are they anyway to determine who goes, you just send us who we request if it's possible.

my point the ego.s and power trips not that of the IC but at 60 controls discretion sending family and friends and to the dept they belong to.safety to FF.S and civilians comes first.

the grand scheme should get what you need there sooner then later kinda like a fast team? thats my experience tells me its not a parade.get what you need ASAP.i dont think the dispatchers should have that kind of power to show favoritism to the dept they belong to.

Ossining has a lot of firefighters and a lot of apparatus. And being that many units directly surrounding Valhalla were called in, It makes sense to bring in 1 & 1 from OFD. Armonk and W. Harrison are better left alone in a situation like this to cover other calls, especially since they're both responders to the airport (which the county considers a big deal). You also have to remember that you can't strip all of your neighbors of equipment and manpower. Sometimes you have to call in someone from a few towns away so you can keep responders available for everything else. It's really like a game of chess when you bring in mutual aid and stand by companies.

i know all about mutual aid very well and i agree with you to a point.but there is favoritism.

or maybe just maybe the dispatcher is a member of said FD? thats what it is?you have fairview hartsdale sleepyhollow tarrytown just a few miles away.favoritism with few dispatchers i noticed.

they kick me off all the time and never give me a answer? people dont want to know the truthe and if your not part of a crew paid or volunteer they dont want to hear you.its a clown show at best.

why stand by fd units from ossining isnt that a little far away?maybe armonk or west harrison white plains ?

you just can win with the team they have here what a shame.but we all do the same job so i thought.no one here is saying training is not important our lives depend on it and so doe.s the public.s .so if any dept is that reckless abt not training then shame on them.my volunteer dept we strive to train we also have a few FDNY brothers that are members and there more then happy to teach the guys what they know and take the rookies under there wing now thats team work and brother hood not like the BS on this thread.come on guys stop the petty bickering and go and train.the volunteers look up to the paid guys and would love to be on the job one day so set an example for them be positive for the future of the fire service.you know what start here right now paid depts in west reach out to a volunteer dept near you an invite them to a training night and show them the way.there.s a lot of experience typing away here.thats team work.

i can tell how involved you and the unions are involved in this working against the local volunteers nice job guys.

How exactly are we "working against the local volunteers"?

remember all you say and do but 90% of volunteers make up the fire service.and meny of us started out as a volunteer.

As was already pointed out to you, your numbers are off. I also started out as a volunteer and was fortunate enough for it to have been in a top notch operation.

my volunteer dept is in good shape in training and is priority no.1! we respond with more FF.1 FF.2 then most dept.s do and take great pride the training we take in house and at the county fire training center and all are first aid CPR and AED certs.

Great for you.

the volunteer bashing has to stop guys.

Sure, along with stopping the bashing of the paid guys, right? However, as I pointed out before, some of it isn't "bashing" just because your feelings get hurt.

smh really.no feelings hurt at all thank you.but this going around and around when will it stop?we all know we need to train things change every day find some thing els to bash .you guys keep on with the volunteer thing give it a break. your not changing the world so move on all this BS is not worth any thing. i wish all the new FF.s the best with the new FF1class.

Face t some municpalites cant handle the expense of a paid FD. get over it.

While this is true, it's also true that some municipalities can handle the expense of a paid FD or at least a combination FD, but choose not to have one. That's fine if the VFD can provide an adequate, consistent response. Unfortunately, that isn't always the case. Part of the problem with this is the insistence by volunteers that want to be seen as "the same" as the career FFs and departments, but aren't actually operating on that same level.

Dont be part of the problem be part of the solution.

And failing to acknowledge the shortcomings/limitations that your department has and not working to address them is not being part of the solution.

Actually, the majority of suburban communities would save the property owners money if they 1) consolidated on a regional or at least a town basis. Why Westchester needs more engines than FDNY to cover a little more than a 10th of the population and in many communities to respond with only 1 ff per rig is idiotic. 2) Switching from volunteer to career actually saves property owners annual out of pocket costs. Since insurance savings are directly tied to your FD and the personnel typing/training. In my community we calculated that to keep the same ISO rating with 100% volunteers would require over 450 interior volunteers. In the meantime we are saving our property owners more money that the annual FD Budget.

To bad most people both inside and outside the fire service have no understanding of the economics of fire protection and always fall back to volunteers are cheaper than career. And they are, but only if you leave out the most expensive components of fire protections (the FD is the 4th on the list, even for career depts.)

You have no idea how involved some of us are in this. I also know how many depts. in this county can't get the most basic trained and staffed units on the road the majority of the time.

i can tell how involved you and the unions are involved in this working against the local volunteers nice job guys.remember all you say and do but 90% of volunteers make up the fire service.and meny of us started out as a volunteer.my volunteer dept is in good shape in training and is priority no.1! we respond with more FF.1 FF.2 then most dept.s do and take great pride the training we take in house and at the county fire training center and all are first aid CPR and AED certs.the volunteer bashing has to stop guys.a county paid dept is not going to happen in westchester so lets train and get along.

Care to give that another shot in English?

LOL.

Based on my count 31 interior firefighters in the 1st 12 minutes. and additional 24 interior within the next 12 minutes and another 12 in the following 10 minutes. Total of about 67 interior qualified firefighters in approx. 30 minutes (including relocates).

You do not know any of the career people here or how much training we do. I have time in the evenings to try to educate/inform. I have the time because I get to work every day in the fire service. I suspect I have more hours training others (plus the training I have received) than you will ever have.

If you do not have the time, then how have you been managing to spend it all here. But you know everything.

not at all you know everything not me but like i said i am done with this one.i hope you really dont believe there was 31 in the first 12min do you.i do have more respect for you than that.

1) And that is big part of the problem. Their are depts. that no longer have any interior volunteers (or none some of the time), but they have plenty of exterior. Most will deny this, but if you fail to tell the community, its the #1 problem, because you are no longer a fire department. Do you know that the exterior members need the same couple hundred hours per year of training for ISO. If they have less, it hurts your rating and costs your property owners more money. This includes your 85 year old "members" who no longer respond, but if your rules classify them as "firefighters" ISO deducts points for all the training hours they do not get each year?

All those exterior members with $3,000 tax funded turnouts, has the public been told that's where their $$$ goes?

I am not saying their is not a role for exterior members, but their needs to be a measured response and you need 3 or 4 (or more) interior for every exterior member.

2) I am having chest pain, quick call me a health care worker....anyone, as they are all equal.

3) Not writing off exterior. You cant fix the problem till you admit their is a problem. We hear everyday departments toning out multiple times for available members, but they have no problem? We hear of room and content fires that require 5, 6, 7 departments for mutual aid just to get a dozen interior members. We also know of departments that still claim to have hundreds of members, but that's not what responds.

We need to stop thinking that we need to maintain 58 individual fire departments, when 95% can not handle a simple fire without mutual aid.

And finally we need ALL firefighters to support MORE training. As long as groups fight to prevent this we will never move forward.

hey what about that fire in greenville the other night?how meny depts did it take to get enough man power to fight the fire?and how long did it take for the back up co.s to arrive on scene? the volunteers listen to the radio.s to.this has to stop you key board FF.s need better things to do.we can go around and around for months what a waist of time.get up and go train shut down the computer and go check your tools do something good with your time.i dont have the time in my fire house to play key board FF.SMH.AND GREEVILLE did a great job the other night not bashing the brothers at all.stay safe i am done on this.

RIP brothers.

Took longer than I thought for a response....

Not sure what its being replaced with, but it appears that its being replaced due to the lack of power. Yorktown has been hauling the zodiacs with either a utility or a chiefs vehicle, as rescue 55 (a former snap on truck) can not maintain a cruising speed while in tow.

there getting a new one soon.they have a very good dive program and there a bunch of nice a very well trained guys.

Seth,

It's already been sold. Yorktown has disbanded their dive team.

yorktown has not disbanded their dive team,that was somers.