Michael John

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    he is correct. you can "over canvass" if there are only 3 or 4 100s and canvass the 95s, but the only way you would go furthur in the process is if 2 or less 100s return the letter with a yes.

    They can canvas as many as they would like to. All the "canvas" is, is a letter asking if you are potentially interested in a job that you may or may not be offered.

    No for one position only the top 3 scores that replied yes to the canvas letter can be hired (Tie scores change that some. If there are eight 100's that all say yes they could chose from any of the eight).

    The process for CPAT has begun, they have already had orientation for people taking the CPAT (they may have already had a practice but I am not sure) The actual CPAT test is scheduled for February.

    CPAT is generally done once or twice a year in Westchester, based around the start of a Fire Academy.

    And before you ask they are allowed to send five people for ever one person they plan to hire to CPAT.

    Awesome info. So statistically speaking chances aren't looking terrible. I'll keep my eyes peeled, fingers crossed, and just keep training as if my CPAT was next week. Thank you gentleman.

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    I am not sure that you are 100% correct. I believe you are able to canvas the entire list in order to establish a eligible candidate list.

    As example, Four people score 100 and you canvas just those four people, but it turns out two of them are not interested you would need to do another canvas in order to obtain a list with three names.

    On the other hand if you canvas your entire list you now know in advance who is interested and who is not and you will be able to build your list from that. I do not remember how long you can go before you are required to re canvas the list, but there is a time limit.

    The problem is that like most everything in Westchester County fire service everyone does it different so knowing what is what can be difficult to down right impossible.

    If you have not heard anything yet I would not expect to be canvased for a spring academy, the CPAT process has already started.

    Seems a little contradictory to what FF1 was saying .. So that being said how many people would they canvass, and does that mean that everyone has the same chance to being hired ? What do you mean CPAT process has begun, they only do 1 per certain amount of time or is it based off the needs to the hiring jurisdiction? Thanks

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    they can only interview the 100s as of now. when there are 2 or less 100s remaining on the local list, you will get a canvass letter if there is an opening.

    the way it works is, for each job, they canvass the top 3 scores.

    if there are 3 100's, then all 3 100 are the top 1 2 and 3 in no paricular order

    if there are 2 100s. then the 2 100s are # 1 and 2 and all 95s are #3

    if there is 1 100 and 1 95, then the 100 is #1, the 95 is #2 and all the 90s are #3

    they can hire anyone that is canvassable.

    so in theory given my last example with the 1 100 1 95 and 90s being #3, a applicant with the score of a 90 can be hired over a 100 and or 95

    2 lists ago, there was a applicant on the list that remained on the list and expired on the list with a 100. many 90s were hired over the 100. i don't know the paticulars regarding the situation though

    hopefully that answers your question

    That does a pretty good job at explaining alot of information. So with these facts being present, if 2 people who scored a 100 either fail the CPAT, dont take the job, or move along somewhere else then I can expect to be canvassed ? So by what you're describing I have a fairly good chance with 95 and only 4 people ahead of me I would assume with one job opening currently being present. Thanks for this info !

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    If they have both lists, they do it to exhaust the resident list first. My city, has a spanish speaking resident, city resident, Spanish speaking county, then the county list. As they said above, no real cut and dry timeline. Our last list, we hired 25. Some tests, 0. Our resident lists were first, lots of people couldn't pass the agility test, some didn't even bother showing up. we went to the county lists, and some were already hired elsewhere, so they were no longer interested. It varies by city, and county, but comes down to how many openings. Hope that helps clear it up somewhat.

    It does thank you !

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    That's the way it works. Someone scoring a 100 on the County List gets hired after someone scoring the minimum passing grade on the resident list. All jurisdictions with dual lists do it that way. Don't like the way it's done? Rent a place in the city you want to work for, and actually move in. Then, you can file as a resident.

    No I actually love the fact that its done that way being that I live in a fire jurisdiction within westchester county. My question is this, dont they have an option if they want to go off residence list or county list? Also side note.. not that pressing, but usually how long does it take for the city to pull their residence list from the county test. Thanks for the info guys.

  11. Posted

    If FF1's info about 50 city residences out ranking you then I wouldn't get my hopes up. Considering the city only hired 4 (correct me if I'm wrong) off the last list, getting through 50+ would be a surprise. But crazier things have happened.

    As far as the rest of the county goes, if you didn't score 100 I wouldn't hold my breath. Best thing to do is to work out as if your CPAT is next week, bolster your resume (EMT, volunteer, work experience etc.) and keep testing.

    Theres no way even close to 50 people scored that in my town.. I'll just keep my fingers crossed that moves will get made otherwise I'll just keep testing. Thanks for the info

  12. Posted

    It's impossible to say.

    If every person ahead of you turns down the job and or fails the CPAT, you will be the first person hired.

    If there are 303 on the open competative list ahead of you and 50 ahead of you on the local list and they all accept the canvass and pass the CPAT, they your chances are slim at best

    There are a lot a variables and unknowns, so its not possible to give you a "yes" or "no" answer

    Thanks for the info ... so its hard to say even with a 95 and living in a city jurisdiction if I'll even have a shot at this job? Thats really rough news. I've been wanting to be a firefighter for such a long time and it seems like its such a crap shoot.